Down goes illuminated nocks!

[turkeyfeather]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

So why should those not be allowed?  Because you have drawn a line in your mind.  So have people in opposition of lighted nocks, but the lines just don't match up.

Where do you stop?  Expanding broadheads, laser rangefinder on bow, overdraws, etc...?

i didn't say they shouldn't be allowed did I, I said I would not support it.

  Careful someone will call you stubborn and out of touch.

Oh come on. I didn't directly call you stubborn. I said that maybe the stance against the nocks was maybe a bit stubborn.

Hey no worries, I took no offense, I realize both sides of this issue are passionate about
their point of view. 

Ok good it's never my intent to offend anyone, that does none of us any good.

[Rainier10]

I hope that when this does get passed everyone that is for it is just as passionate and writes lots of letters to the WDFW about not changing the seasons. Because I guaranty when the archers get their way and quiet down the modern firearms guys will definitely be asking for either better/longer seasons for themselves

And what is wrong with them pushing to get their season dates back? There season was not shortened to give more dates to archers, nor was the archery season shortened to extend the general.

This is a prime example of pitting one user group against the other and causing division, why should one group care what the other petitions for if it has no relevance to their season/regulations. Unbelievable!!!

I guess I would love to live in a world where it isn't one user group arguing over what the other one has, but lets be real that is not the world we live in.  Gun hunters are upset that archers get to hunt during the elk rut and deer on winter grounds, what happens rifle hunters get permits for the rut and late season deer tags at winter range.  Archers look at the number of deer rifle hunters kill and complain that they need an even bigger piece of the pie even though by success percentage the numbers are close.

Maybe when lighted nocks are approved all user groups will be happy about it and there won't be any in fighting, my guess is no it will just be more fuel for the rifle guys to say archery is not that primitive any more.  They already argue that point with what we have, compound bows, faster speeds, 85% letoff.  Maybe one more bit of technology will make them say good for archers but I think not, reallity is that the grass is always greener.

[huntnphool]

I hope that when this does get passed everyone that is for it is just as passionate and writes lots of letters to the WDFW about not changing the seasons. Because I guaranty when the archers get their way and quiet down the modern firearms guys will definitely be asking for either better/longer seasons for themselves

And what is wrong with them pushing to get their season dates back? There season was not shortened to give more dates to archers, nor was the archery season shortened to extend the general.

This is a prime example of pitting one user group against the other and causing division, why should one group care what the other petitions for if it has no relevance to their season/regulations. Unbelievable!!!

I guess I would love to live in a world where it isn't one user group arguing over what the other one has, but lets be real that is not the world we live in.  Gun hunters are upset that archers get to hunt during the elk rut and deer on winter grounds

Maybe when lighted nocks are approved all user groups will be happy about it and there won't be any in fighting, my guess is no it will just be more fuel for the rifle guys to say archery is not that primitive any more.  They already argue that point with what we have, compound bows, faster speeds, 85% letoff.

I've been a member of this site for a while now, there are thousands of threads for you to prove your point. I challenge you to show me one thread where rifle hunters are bitching to WDFW that archery equipment is too modern now. I'd be willing to bet you that there are far more trad hunters complaining about modern archery gear than anyone.

[turkeyfeather]

Gonna hit the gym, but had to say this first. Rifle hunters I am willing to bet would be more for this cause let's be honest in a few years they will be archery hunting as well.  Check in when I'm done trimming the fat.

[Rainier10]

I hope that when this does get passed everyone that is for it is just as passionate and writes lots of letters to the WDFW about not changing the seasons. Because I guaranty when the archers get their way and quiet down the modern firearms guys will definitely be asking for either better/longer seasons for themselves

And what is wrong with them pushing to get their season dates back? There season was not shortened to give more dates to archers, nor was the archery season shortened to extend the general.

This is a prime example of pitting one user group against the other and causing division, why should one group care what the other petitions for if it has no relevance to their season/regulations. Unbelievable!!!

I guess I would love to live in a world where it isn't one user group arguing over what the other one has, but lets be real that is not the world we live in.  Gun hunters are upset that archers get to hunt during the elk rut and deer on winter grounds

Maybe when lighted nocks are approved all user groups will be happy about it and there won't be any in fighting, my guess is no it will just be more fuel for the rifle guys to say archery is not that primitive any more.  They already argue that point with what we have, compound bows, faster speeds, 85% letoff.

I've been a member of this site for a while now, there are thousands of threads for you to prove your point. I challenge you to show me one thread where rifle hunters are bitching to WDFW that archery equipment is too modern now. I'd be willing to bet you that there are far more trad hunters complaining about modern archery gear than anyone.

I appreciate your experience with this site and I hope that the people on this site will be this passionate in communications with the game department.  Because my experience in going to public hearings for the season setting process has been gun hunters saying that archery equipment is getting so good we shouldn't be given the late season hunts as we are too successful on the deer and if archery guys get to hunt those times permits should be given to rifle hunters also.  The same argument was made for rut elk hunting.

This is a great site but this site is not where seasons are set, this is where many people vent and express ideas from their homes or work, but there are only a small majority of members here that actually go to the game department meetings or write to the commission.  You see it on this site all the time, WDFW meeting on blank day everyone needs to attend, then after the meeting all the questions come out on this site, "anybody go to this meeting? I had to do blank instead."  One of the meetings I went to on last year townhall meeting in Federal Way had maybe 30 people at it, that is in the most populated county with the highest number of licensed hunters, 30 people seriously, I mean for me it was great for those of us there, I got to talk to Dave Ware, Jerry Nelson and Donny Montello one on one and voice my concerns and hear their feedback.

Like I say it will be interesting to see what happens when this passes.  Maybe the next meeting will have a higher attendance and I will have to fight to get a word in with the commissioners.

[Rainier10]

Gonna hit the gym, but had to say this first. Rifle hunters I am willing to bet would be more for this cause let's be honest in a few years they will be archery hunting as well.  Check in when I'm done trimming the fat.

They already are, Multiseason baby, a ton of bows got sold the first year between the end of rifle season and actually the 2 weeks before late archery, there were a ton of new archers.  Many of them went to Cabela's and bought new bows with sights that had lights on them and expandable broadheads just like the ones on TV.

[turkeyfeather]

Gonna hit the gym, but had to say this first. Rifle hunters I am willing to bet would be more for this cause let's be honest in a few years they will be archery hunting as well.  Check in when I'm done trimming the fat.

They already are, Multiseason baby, a ton of bows got sold the first year between the end of rifle season and actually the 2 weeks before late archery, there were a ton of new archers.  Many of them went to Cabela's and bought new bows with sights that had lights on them and expandable broadheads just like the ones on TV.

That just shows how clueless a lot of people are. But I wasnt talking about multi season permits. There arent that many of those. I was referring to the fact that the way things are going we could end up like those fly over states where gun hunting isn't allowed at all.

[Rainier10]

Gonna hit the gym, but had to say this first. Rifle hunters I am willing to bet would be more for this cause let's be honest in a few years they will be archery hunting as well.  Check in when I'm done trimming the fat.

They already are, Multiseason baby, a ton of bows got sold the first year between the end of rifle season and actually the 2 weeks before late archery, there were a ton of new archers.  Many of them went to Cabela's and bought new bows with sights that had lights on them and expandable broadheads just like the ones on TV.

That just shows how clueless a lot of people are. But I wasnt talking about multi season permits. There arent that many of those. I was referring to the fact that the way things are going we could end up like those fly over states where gun hunting isn't allowed at all.

2010 harvest reports

24,000 archery deer tags
100,000 modern deer tags
8,000 muzzleloader deer tags

and 8000 multiseason tags  I am thinking that is a lot of multiseason hunters by percentage in any category.

[turkeyfeather]

Gonna hit the gym, but had to say this first. Rifle hunters I am willing to bet would be more for this cause let's be honest in a few years they will be archery hunting as well.  Check in when I'm done trimming the fat.

They already are, Multiseason baby, a ton of bows got sold the first year between the end of rifle season and actually the 2 weeks before late archery, there were a ton of new archers.  Many of them went to Cabela's and bought new bows with sights that had lights on them and expandable broadheads just like the ones on TV.

That just shows how clueless a lot of people are. But I wasnt talking about multi season permits. There arent that many of those. I was referring to the fact that the way things are going we could end up like those fly over states where gun hunting isn't allowed at all.

2010 harvest reports

24,000 archery deer tags
100,000 modern deer tags
8,000 muzzleloader deer tags

and 8000 multiseason tags  I am thinking that is a lot of multiseason hunters by percentage in any category.

Swing and a miss. You completely missed what I was talking about.

[Rainier10]

You are right I was distracted by your false information about "not many of those" when there are quite a few multiseason permits and missed the point that we could end up like those fly over states.

I still don't care if luminoks get approved or not as long as the seasons don't change and people stay passionate about their beliefs.  I am guessing that the people that fought so hard last year to not legalize them will be shocked when they see not staying involved in the discussion this year has resulted in them now becoming legal.

[turkeyfeather]

I didn't provide any false information you provided numbers to something you were talking about. I at no point ever mentioned multi season permits or stats. That's all on you buddy. But for the record I don't think 6% comes even close to a lot.

[Rainier10]

That just shows how clueless a lot of people are. But I wasnt talking about multi season permits. There arent that many of those. I was referring to the fact that the way things are going we could end up like those fly over states where gun hunting isn't allowed at all.

Okay, I thought this is where you said there weren't that many multiseason permits.  Maybe not maybe you meant there aren't many of those fly over states, I guess I was confused.  Anyways I don't care either way on the nocks I care about the season staying the same.  I assume you want lighted nocks and so I hope you get them if that is what you are for.

[turkeyfeather]

That just shows how clueless a lot of people are. But I wasnt talking about multi season permits. There arent that many of those. I was referring to the fact that the way things are going we could end up like those fly over states where gun hunting isn't allowed at all.

Okay, I thought this is where you said there weren't that many multiseason permits.  Maybe not many of those you meant fly over states, I guess I was confused.  Anyways I don't care either way on the nocks I care about the season staying the same.  I assume you want lighted nocks and so I hope you get them if that is what you are for.

Wow, you really arent paying attention. I clearly said in that statement that I was not talking about that. You brought it up. You have to read an entire statement, not pick and choose what you want out of it. But again beings you keep bringing it up 6% is not nor ever has been considered alot.

[Rainier10]

That just shows how clueless a lot of people are. But I wasnt talking about multi season permits. There arent that many of those. I was referring to the fact that the way things are going we could end up like those fly over states where gun hunting isn't allowed at all.

Okay, I thought this is where you said there weren't that many multiseason permits.  Maybe not many of those you meant fly over states, I guess I was confused.  Anyways I don't care either way on the nocks I care about the season staying the same.  I assume you want lighted nocks and so I hope you get them if that is what you are for.

Wow, you really arent paying attention. I clearly said in that statement that I was not talking about that. You brought it up. You have to read an entire statement, not pick and choose what you want out of it. But again beings you keep bringing it up 6% is not nor ever has been considered alot.

What am I not paying attention to?  What in your statement about people being clueless and "there aren't that many of those" were you referring to?Did you mean there aren't too many clueless people?  There aren't that many fly over states?  Those are the only two subjects that I can find in that statement that "there aren't that many of those." could refer to.

[turkeyfeather]

 I was referring to people going running out and buying bows at the last minute and getting things on them that arent legal.