well its all in ones opinion and i stalked those birds for two days before i could get close enough to them because they would not talk after they came out of the roost and they where both at about 25 yard until i drew and shot the first one both birds were taken with a single shot each and if a game warden wants to argue over a 15 second laps in tagging then i will pay the fine the playing the what if doesnt work for me i had two tags i got two birds and there are still 3 toms out there to take care of the hens. and i have been skunked many a times and had a great time doing it.