Damage control elk

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I heard they issue permits to specific farms or landowners to control damage.  My question is, are the landowners required to tag the animals ?  If the landowner lets others kill the amount of elk allowed is that person required to tag?  Thanks for any info on this.

Bob

[HORSEPOWER]

If an elk/deer is harvested it has to be tagged.  So, whoever is getting to hunt a damage hunt has to have a tag before doing so, whether it is the landowner or anyone else.  Does that answere your question?

[mazama]

I could be wrong but most of those hunts are for the master hunters.

[Tbar]

These hunts are done by a hunt coordinator (game officer). He coordinates the hunter with the landowner and when where and how they are allowed to hunt. There are tags issued for every animal. The hunt coordinator must set up every thing and get it approved prior to issuing any tags.

[kirkl]

These hunts are done by a hunt coordinator (game officer). He coordinates the hunter with the landowner and when where and how they are allowed to hunt. There are tags issued for every animal. The hunt coordinator must set up every thing and get it approved prior to issuing any tags.

Not true. Farmers around here just get issued damage tags and anyone with a valid deer or elk tag is able to hunt if there are damage tags availabe.
The landowner just logs your wild id down to show he is letting people hunt per damage tag. Master hunter hunts have hunt master controlled hunts though. 

[dblungshot]

I'm a master hunter and have been selected for a DH in the past.  The problem I see with this special permit (in most cases) is the selected permit holders are not given a position number of who gets called first.  I was notified that I was selected but probably was put on the list (with the others) and was not given a preference number for the caller.  To me this makes it unclear and skeptical of who gets called for these DH....(hope this discription makes sense).

I'm thinking these special permits are good for those people who are well connected with the callers authorized to issue the phone calls?  Maybe a fine bottle of scotch, whisky, or some good maple syrup would help the caller to remember who is important and "worthy" of the opportunity. 

Unless I'm wrong, these MH special permits (most are DH specific) are fruitless unless you have connections.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong because I now avoid DH because of this thought process.  Maybe it's good if I'm wrong for those who easily take advantage of their connection or other known knowledge....

[kirkl]

i think were talking about two different things. the OP is just talking about damage permits that farmers get not MH hunts. I was on a master hunter
controlled hunt last year and i think your right dblungshot they call there buddies first if they get drawn. i did get called last year, i was number 16 on the list.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Off topic for sure.  But I need more info on this.  Even with a handful of damage control permits a hunter would have to tag every elk he shot?  If the hunter only had 1 tag he could only kill one elk correct?  If he didn't tag he would be poaching correct?

Thanks

[Skyvalhunter]

I was drawn for a MH North Bend Permit. Didn't get a chance to go. The success rate wasn't all that good this year. Will try another hunt this year.

[kirkl]

DIY- yes you have to tag every elk you shot. if you shot a damage control elk in august you would be done elk hunting for the year cause you used
your tag. the damage control permit is just basically a permit that the game dept. gave the farmer. it is only a permit, not a tag. so yes, if you killed a elk during general
season then killed one with a damage permit with no elk tag you would be poaching.
This is if were talking about the same thing which i think we are.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I was told about this "permit" and thought I might inquire about it.  I think the person was confused and thought no tag was required.  Thanks for all the help.  I'll make sure this person is aware of the laws of that permit.

[rose673]

kirkl - I might not be comprehending your message correctly but the damage control permits are given out differently here in sw wa.
Farmers who have more than 40 acres of land and show a valid point that they are losing value to the destrution of elk on their land may be eligible for a damage permit if the local game warden sees fit.  The game warden will give the time period of when the animal can be harvested, which is usually 2 or 3 weeks, then when animal is harvested the farmer is supposed to report to that game warden, but does not put his general tag on the animal.  I know a few farmers where I am from who harvest elk during the season and usually take a cow in december from a damage hunt and it is legit.  Like I said I might have misread your last message, but that is how they take care of the damage control permits here, and Im not sure about the MH permits.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

What about lets say 10 permits ?  The farmer would not have to tag all 10, just report them?  Even if another hunter kills the 10 elk he wouldn't be required to tag any of them?

[kirkl]

kirkl - I might not be comprehending your message correctly but the damage control permits are given out differently here in sw wa.
Farmers who have more than 40 acres of land and show a valid point that they are losing value to the destrution of elk on their land may be eligible for a damage permit if the local game warden sees fit.  The game warden will give the time period of when the animal can be harvested, which is usually 2 or 3 weeks, then when animal is harvested the farmer is supposed to report to that game warden, but does not put his general tag on the animal.  I know a few farmers where I am from who harvest elk during the season and usually take a cow in december from a damage hunt and it is legit.  Like I said I might have misread your last message, but that is how they take care of the damage control permits here, and Im not sure about the MH permits.

hhhmmm, they must do it in different ways like you say. over here they just give them damage tags  and i think there good till he uses them all up then can apply for more if need be.  they must have different options.

[Dan-o]

Definitely two different kinds of tags.
   *  Landowner damage control tags are given to landowners who experience damage.
   *  Master Hunter hunts are intended to limit said damage and work in conjunction with hunt coodinators (sometimes).   I have my Master Hunter.   I was called 3 years ago and got to hunt.   My son drew the same tag but was lower on the list.  whe  I asked, they guy said they go strictly by draw number.   I believe him.   He was a volunteer and a good guy.   I've been in the program 8 years.   Been drawn once...   for what it's worth.

[rose673]

Diarcheryjunkie - Pretty sure that wouldn't happen here in sw washington.  The farmers are really hard pressed to even get a tag.  They are becoming less likely to issue permits for damage.  Like Kirkl mentioned, damage permits must be given out different on the two sides of the state.

[HntnFsh]

kirkl - I might not be comprehending your message correctly but the damage control permits are given out differently here in sw wa.
Farmers who have more than 40 acres of land and show a valid point that they are losing value to the destrution of elk on their land may be eligible for a damage permit if the local game warden sees fit.  The game warden will give the time period of when the animal can be harvested, which is usually 2 or 3 weeks, then when animal is harvested the farmer is supposed to report to that game warden, but does not put his general tag on the animal.  I know a few farmers where I am from who harvest elk during the season and usually take a cow in december from a damage hunt and it is legit.  Like I said I might have misread your last message, but that is how they take care of the damage control permits here, and Im not sure about the MH permits.

This is correct.And I believe they have to fill out a form and notify the game warden when an animal is harvested.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

kirkl - I might not be comprehending your message correctly but the damage control permits are given out differently here in sw wa.
Farmers who have more than 40 acres of land and show a valid point that they are losing value to the destrution of elk on their land may be eligible for a damage permit if the local game warden sees fit.  The game warden will give the time period of when the animal can be harvested, which is usually 2 or 3 weeks, then when animal is harvested the farmer is supposed to report to that game warden, but does not put his general tag on the animal.  I know a few farmers where I am from who harvest elk during the season and usually take a cow in december from a damage hunt and it is legit.  Like I said I might have misread your last message, but that is how they take care of the damage control permits here, and Im not sure about the MH permits.

This is correct.And I believe they have to fill out a form and notify the game warden when an animal is harvested.

So even with five permits in western wa on a damage hunt the landowner could give them all to one person and let them kill all the animals and not tag them and keep the meat???  I don't care about the MH.  I called four differnt offices and was told ALL ANIMALS MUST BE TAGGED.  One said some damage control hunts are for food banks and the hunter/landowner gets no meat.  He said some landowners do keep the meat.  I still have no clue.  I'm not askin if it's possible for one person to get all of the permits from the land owner.  I'm waiting for a call back to see what the final word is.