WDFW Poll

[Curly]

I wonder how many cost of living raises the WDFW employees have gotten during this Obama economy while much of the rest of us have been taking cuts?

They treat us like a never ending ATM or credit card.  If they need more money for their programs and it isn't in the budget, just jack up the fees.  Why not cut some of their staff and/or programs instead of jacking up the prices?

Maybe they have some valid reasons for the fee increases, but I'd sure like to hear from them as to why they have to increase the prices and what the money is going toward.   They are just making it harder for new people to get into the sport and for old folks on fixed incomes to continue in the sport.

[KFhunter]

I haven't studied up on the wolf plan too much, but I know they did their best to come up with something that would be accepted by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, as that is the federal agency that has control over the regulation of endangered species. Without a plan that is accepted the the USFWS, then lethal methods of wolf management would never be an option. My preference would be to have zero wolves in the state, but that's just not going to happen.

To me the wolf plan is irrelevant anyway. So the plan requires 15 breeding pairs, and if/when that number is met, and they are taken off the endangered species list, there still won't be any way to keep the numbers down in any significant way. The only methods of lethal control that would have a real impact still won't be allowed- like poison, trapping, and aerial gunning. So is the wolf plan really an issue? I don't think so.

Tribal hunting- well, I don't think the WDFW has the money to do much about it. They'd have to take it to court and that's just not in the budget. Especially now that the indians have casinos and other tax free revenue producers. The state just can't compete with that.

Night hunting? They didn't try to take it away. They came up with a proposal to limit calibers and shot sizes in an attempt to make it easier for game wardens in trying to catch people poaching deer and elk at night with spotlights.

Does that cover everything?

the red text pretty much killed your whole standing

[bobcat]

the red text pretty much killed your whole standing

Not sure what you mean by that. Standing in what?

So if the wolves ever become relatively abundant in this state, do you feel we could limit the population in any significant way, simply by hunting them, like Idaho is now doing?

[Curly]

I haven't studied up on the wolf plan too much, but I know they did their best to come up with something that would be accepted by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, as that is the federal agency that has control over the regulation of endangered species. Without a plan that is accepted the the USFWS, then lethal methods of wolf management would never be an option. My preference would be to have zero wolves in the state, but that's just not going to happen.

To me the wolf plan is irrelevant anyway. So the plan requires 15 breeding pairs, and if/when that number is met, and they are taken off the endangered species list, there still won't be any way to keep the numbers down in any significant way. The only methods of lethal control that would have a real impact still won't be allowed- like poison, trapping, and aerial gunning. So is the wolf plan really an issue? I don't think so.

Tribal hunting- well, I don't think the WDFW has the money to do much about it. They'd have to take it to court and that's just not in the budget. Especially now that the indians have casinos and other tax free revenue producers. The state just can't compete with that.

Night hunting? They didn't try to take it away. They came up with a proposal to limit calibers and shot sizes in an attempt to make it easier for game wardens in trying to catch people poaching deer and elk at night with spotlights.

Does that cover everything?

They gave too much in the wolf plan.  They should have been more aggressive and make the feds the bad guys.  I'm sure they could have had a plan for delisting the wolves in the E part of the State immediately, but they didn't even try.

I agree with you that we won't be able to control the wolf population.  That is exactly why they should have tried for a lesser amount of wolves and none of the 3 consecutive year b.s.  They should have had a plan that would allow for shooting of wolves immediately.  That would slow the spread of them.

They may not have the money for dealing with the Tribal issues, but maybe they could have come-up with some if they weren't concentrating on things like wolves and whatever else they are wasting time and money on. 

And, maybe they do a lot of things right and I some of the stuff I'm critical about, maybe I shouldn't be...........but it is because I've lost confidence in them and it is hard to see anything good in what they do after they've done some things that are so wrong.

[washelkhunter]

Our 2 esteemed senators, *censored*dowell and mudday, never said one word in protest to the wolves coming into wa. mudday could have scotched it and *censored*dowell would have secounded the motion and then maybe we could have kept them out with fed help; but oh no; not one peep out either of em.

What the hell. this is speak your mind and im gettin censored? Well ok.

[bobcat]

washelkhunter-  So how would you propose that the state keep wolves from crossing the Canadian border? Funny how everyone likes to blame the WDFW for something they have no control over.

[KFhunter]

the red text pretty much killed your whole standing

Not sure what you mean by that. Standing in what?

So if the wolves ever become relatively abundant in this state, do you feel we could limit the population in any significant way, simply by hunting them, like Idaho is now doing?

would have to open up trapping, poisen and baiting and put a bounty on their heads.
 
who come up with 15 breeding pairs anyways, you got any idea how many dogs would be out there for that to happen?
and why not delist them in the east side of WA where they aren't federally protected
 
too many wolf huggers in the WDFW 

[KFhunter]

washelkhunter-  So how would you propose that the state keep wolves from crossing the Canadian border? Funny how everyone likes to blame the WDFW for something they have no control over.

so now they migrated naturally from Canada?

[bobcat]

washelkhunter-  So how would you propose that the state keep wolves from crossing the Canadian border? Funny how everyone likes to blame the WDFW for something they have no control over.

so now they migrated naturally from Canada?

Canada and Idaho. I didn't realize that fact was in dispute.

[washelkhunter]

How about shooting them, How about putting a bounty on them. How about labeling them as detrimental to the state economy. How about sending huggers out to greet them. How about sending a few to Congress and let them run around in those hallowed halls for half an hour while they are in session. How about you bobcat take one home to your kids. Well how about it? Dont you even dare tell me wdfw has no control. What they dont have is backbone.  If i am out in the field in Wa with a rifle in my hands im shooting every wolf i see; twice. I dont need some BC to tell me whats right.
What a bunch of crap. Who the hell came up with 15 breeding pairs eh? Where TF did that number come from huh? Who decided that? God? Does anyone remember what the original no: was when they reintroduced into MT? Seems to me it was like 15 or 20. Then what happened? Well they ended up with 150 breeding pairs and a big problem because the antis have no limit to the no: of wolves. They can never have enough. Well reckon ive had enough. Wa isnt MT or ID or AK. If we dont put em down then we might as well oil em up and put em away because there wont be nothing left to hunt. Why does this failed experiment have to be played out here? We know how the story ends. My fellow Washington hunters, you know what to do. Or just sit around the ole wood stove and tell your grandkids what it was like in the ole days.

[Jerbear]

Two things that git me riled are as fiollows

Too many biologists.  Plus too many biologists that don't hunt and don't want you to.  Step in Big Tex if I'm wrong.

The other is the deer season.  I am surprised that the smaller towns have not raised hell with this one.  they end the season onFriday.  How cute.  That could be another week end the family is out hunting together.  And more revenue for cities like Goldendale.  This is a ,Let's really piss em off with this one" situation. 

They do not have our best interest at heart.  It's the revenue they are after, period.   

Now see what they did.  I lost my temper, so now I have to pray to the Big Warden to forgive me.

[washelkhunter]

Im going to ask you again Bobcat. Who are you? Do you work for WDFW? Are you Washington State Highway Patrol. Are you a WDFW commissioner? Are you EPA, NSA, FBI, CIA, HS? Okanogan Cty Sheriff? Who are you? I've asked and if your a person of authority then you have to answer. So?

[bobcat]

None of the above. I'm a guy who likes to hunt. Lives to hunt actually.

Why do you care so much about me?   

Who are you?

[KFhunter]

Im going to ask you again Bobcat. Who are you? Do you work for WDFW? Are you Washington State Highway Patrol. Are you a WDFW commissioner? Are you EPA, NSA, FBI, CIA, HS? Okanogan Cty Sheriff? Who are you? I've asked and if your a person of authority then you have to answer. So?

He doesn't have to anwer that, and probably if he is one of those listed above then he'd get in trouble if he did in an official capacity and isn't a public information officer.

[washelkhunter]

Im just an avg working man, middle class, (struggling) make my living helping people out in surgery when most the time they dont want to see me. You still havent answered my question. Who are you?
Butt out KF. Or do you carry Bobcats water?