Riddle me this. question about group permits

[elksnout]

Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?

[Magnum_Willys]

As a group applicant the number of tags available determines the "penalty" a group has on its odds - For example an area with 5 tags - and a group of five applies - they have to win on the first draw or their aren't enough tags left for their group.  They have 1/5 the chance of drawing as a group as an individual.   If there are 50 tags in the area then they have 45 chances as a group before they run out of a block of 5 tags compared to 50 as an individual - not as much of a penalty.   For groups of just two or areas with a large number of tags its not that big of deal.

[Bob33]

Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?

With a group application you will have 14 x 14 names in the hat. With separate applications you will each have 14 x 14 names in the hat.  Your odds of at least one of you drawing would be approximately double, not considering the possibility of there not being enough tags to satisfy a group.

[elksnout]

Thank you. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?

With a group application you will have 14 x 14 names in the hat. With separate applications you will each have 14 x 14 names in the hat.  Your odds of at least one of you drawing would be approximately double, not considering the possibility of there not being enough tags to satisfy a group.

 wouldn't the group be 14+14 making it 28x28?

[Bob33]

Me and my son each have 14 points for elk and apply as a two man group. What does that mean really? Would we or any group with equal amount of points be better off applying separately?

With a group application you will have 14 x 14 names in the hat. With separate applications you will each have 14 x 14 names in the hat.  Your odds of at least one of you drawing would be approximately double, not considering the possibility of there not being enough tags to satisfy a group.

 wouldn't the group be 14+14 making it 28x28?

No.  A group application's points are computed by averaging all the group's members.  If you have two members of a group with 14 points each, the average of 14 and 14 is 14 [ (14+14) / 2 ].  Therefore the group has 14 points.  As with any other application, the points are squared to determine the number of chances to be drawn.

[iRem]

?? None of the guys that I hunt with we're able to put in and tell me until today!!!! So I'm the only one in with 5 points for archery quality and Antlerless! Question, will that affect my draw or will this just turn out to be a single when all said and done??

[Bob33]

You should have a group of 1 with 5 points.

[funkster]

Come on, someone has to come up with a permit question that can stump Bod33

[Biggerhammer]

Come on, someone has to come up with a permit question that can stump Bod33

He is defiantly on his regs A game.

[buckhorn2]

If I have a question I mail Bob33 and he gets me straightened out I bet you can;t come up with something to stump him.

[Bob33]

OK - what is Bob going to draw for special permits?  That's one got me stumped.

[Rainier10]

This should be easy to figure out I just need to know if Bob is on the train leaving Chicago or the plane leaving Santa Fe and how fast each train is going.  I am pretty sure that is how the game department figures out who is going to get drawn.  If the train or plane is headed to Montana fast you have the best odds of getting drawn.

[Bob33]

Here is a never before released image of an actual drawing taking place:

[brokenvet]

Here is what WDFW says about group permits.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/categories/Hunting/Special+Hunt+Permits/?page=2

question #27

If I am part of a group application, are my chances of getting a permit greater than if I apply by myself?
Those who apply as an Individual actually have the advantage over those who apply with a Group. In fact, the larger the group, the more your chances of being selected for a permit are reduced.