Who has the most pts built up for OIL tags?

[Chesapeake]

I would be on board with making the OIL tags so that you only get to draw 1 OIL tag in a lifetime.  If you draw a hunt your done for life for all 3 species.

I would be fine with that but it wouldn't help draw odds much, if at all.

What they need to do is to allow a person to only apply for one, instead of all three.

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Yeah, 1 catagory, all three species, pick only 4 hunts, points are for the catagory not species, if you draw your done.

The only bad selling point is the WDFW would complain of the potential to lose the $27 from folks putting in for all 3 OIL draws. But I wouldnt argue against the 1 catagory costing $40 for the draw application.

WDFW could get their money, it would cost us the same, and your chance of drawing even 1 OIL in your life would improve.

 I dont think we would be giving anything up. Its not like we currently have a snowballs chance in hell of ever drawing more than 1 OIL tag in a lifetime anyway.

[huntnphool]

]I dont think we would be giving anything up. Its not like we currently have a snowballs chance in hell of ever drawing more than 1 OIL tag in a lifetime anyway.

 Not giving anything up? What about those of us that have been applying for all three the whole time, are we really not giving anything up?

 Maybe impliment it for anyone that has never applied before and are just starting out but don't forget about those of us that have years of applications, we actually do have a snowballs chance.

[trophyhunt]

I see that one guy has 36 points for quality elk. must have turned in more then one poacher. Still he didn't draw anything last year so he will be in again this year with 37. That adds up to 1369 names in the hat for just that one guy.

Hmmm.........I'm pretty sure he chose the point option last year................

He didn't put in for ghost, at the end of the list of quality elk it shows the numbers on ghost points also. The guys who put in for ghost points started at 23 or 24.

[Chesapeake]

]I dont think we would be giving anything up. Its not like we currently have a snowballs chance in hell of ever drawing more than 1 OIL tag in a lifetime anyway.

 Not giving anything up? What about those of us that have been applying for all three the whole time, are we really not giving anything up?

 Maybe impliment it for anyone that has never applied before and are just starting out but don't forget about those of us that have years of applications, we actually do have a snowballs chance.

Can you tell me what it is you believe you would be giving up?

I have 11 or 12 points for each this year. All I can see losing is a ~.01% chance of drawing more than 1 species in my lifetime. I could live with that loss. Especialy if in doing so I improved my odds of drawing at least 1 OIL tag in my lifetime.

Over the years how many of the tens of thousands of folks who have applied for OIL tags in Washington have drawn more than 1?


With the current system, if you applied for a moose tag for 60 years, you would have about a 20% chance of drawing one. To say that another way. About 4000 of the 22000 people curently applying for moose tags will draw a tag in the next 60 years. The other 17000 folks wont draw in the next 60 years. If you figure goat the same way you have a 9% chance in the next 60 years. Sheep is 15% chance in the next 60 years.

The vast majority of us will never draw one of these tags. Its a sad reality. But one I think many folks dont grasp.

[Ridgerunner]

There are a few who have drawn more than one but not too many.  One guy drew goat and moose the same year.  Reality is you are lucky to pull one.

[Curly]

The only thing that will really make a difference is for there to be more animals and more permits given out.  How do we get more moose, sheep, and goats?  Kill more predators. 

[huntnphool]

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Can you tell me what it is you believe you would be giving up?

Seriously???   How about 17 years worth permit application fees for starters!!!

[bobcat]

Seriously???   How about 17 years worth permit application fees for starters!!!

Oh come on! That's like saying the state should pay you back for all the Lotto tickets you purchased in the past because you never won. Besides, you already drew your moose tag, so why do you care?

[Gringo31]

I think most would be shocked if they knew how many NIL tags (I like that much better than OIL, as we have about NIL chace of getting drawn) the tribe got every year.  It is a substancial number.....

I'm not looking to stir the pot, but there doesn't appear to be much balance there....

[huntnphool]

So you think it's okay for the state to simply start over and screw those of us that have been applying out of our money? Would you have felt the same way if they had done that with the deer and elk permits a couple years ago? Those that drew quality the year before probably wouldn't have a issue with it but those with 10+ points sure would have.

[Chesapeake]

I'm not sure you understand the situation.

You are throwing your money into a dark hole. There is little chance if any that you will ever see a return on your investment. If you wish to call it an investment.

I believe they do you a far worse disservice by continueing to take your money year after year.

Do you buy loto tickets, or do you think its a waste?

I think they screwed the folks that just drew the year before they started all these catagories more then the screw your talking about. Those folks started at zero in all of the catagories for a given species when the rest of us got given a ton of free points. Them folks will never catch up.

[huntnphool]

I understand perfectly. I'm sitting on max points and you and Bobcat think it's fair to just start over, in my position I don't see it that way.

And for the record, I have never purchased a lottery ticket.

[bobcat]

So you think it's okay for the state to simply start over and screw those of us that have been applying out of our money? Would you have felt the same way if they had done that with the deer and elk permits a couple years ago? Those that drew quality the year before probably wouldn't have a issue with it but those with 10+ points sure would have.

Chesapeake took the words right out of my mouth- they already screwed many of us over when they split the permits into all the new categories two years ago.

The option of only applying for one OIL per year isn't taking anything away from you, as you would still have your points in each category. You could apply for sheep one year, and mountain goat the next, if you wish.

[huntnphool]

Bob, he is talking about drawing one species and being done, finished, not being able to apply for the other two, this is where guys that have been applying for all three get screwed.

[bobcat]

Bob, he is talking about drawing one species and being done, finished, not being able to apply for the other two, this is where guys that have been applying for all three get screwed.

Oh yeah, that. Well, my feeling on that is if you get drawn for one you should be happy with your luck and shouldn't have a problem if you can't apply again for the others. Of course, I feel that way because I have not drawn any of them. And you have, so obviously you now want a chance to draw goat and/or sheep. But don't you think it would be more fair for you to drop out of the OIL draw and let others have a chance?