Who has the most pts built up for OIL tags?

[JimmyHoffa]

The only thing that will really make a difference is for there to be more animals and more permits given out.  How do we get more moose, sheep, and goats?  Kill more predators. 

I'll only mention goats....  There used to be goat hunting available in the Olympics.  I believe last survey showed around 400 goats.  They are non-native to the area (may have been native at one time, but the current ones are linked to goat introduction).  Couldn't hunt the national park, but maybe somehow get the national forest hunts reopened.  There are quite a few goats running around in those wilderness areas.  Maybe some lobbying or something and you could get a few more goat permits.

[bobcat]

What we need is a system that reduces the number of applicants. There isnt enough tags to keep up with the current demand at this point. We need to reduce demand.

This is the answer right here. One way to reduce applicants is to raise the prices, which they did this year. The second way is what we've been discussing, putting some sort of limits on who can apply and how many species can be applied for.

What would REALLY make a difference, is to say those who apply for deer or elk special permits, cannot apply for OIL species. That's the way Idaho is, and apparently that is the reason it's possible to draw a moose tag in Idaho in only a few years. Of course the Non resident tag price of $2200 helps to keep the number of applicants down as well.

[huntnphool]

So do you now see what guys like me would be losing? We are supposed to just forget about the application fees and time invested? I would think you of all people would not be happy about that.

As for dropping out, I think not. Everyone in this system has a chance to draw and if you don't then your odds increase each time over those that are just starting out, seems pretty fair to me, don't like the long odds, don't apply. Should we limit the raffle to those that have not won before? Should we limit the auction tags to only those that have never won, eventually those with limited incomes would be the only ones left so that would make it fair right?

Pretty soon you are going to be telling those with incomes over $250k/year should be paying their fair share too right?   

[huntnphool]

By the way, the last comment was supposed to have a smiley after it as it was a joke Bob. I can't add it on my iPad for some reason.

[coachcw]

phool you be paying a ton 

[bobcat]

Oh, I understand. I have 17 moose points and 16 sheep. One less for sheep since I didn't apply this year. Everyone wants what will benefit them the most, of course. For me limiting people to only one OIL application per year would benefit me, because all I really care about is drawing a moose tag. I would think that you would also like the better odds of drawing.

[lhrbull]

I wish it was like it was at first when u put the tag money up front or bought the ghost points. There are people appling that have no in tension on hunting if they get drawn, this would weed some of them out.

[huntnphool]

I wish it was like it was at first when u put the tag money up front or bought the ghost points. There are people appling that have no in tension on hunting if they get drawn, this would weed some of them out.

 The problem is the guys that say "its turning into a rich mans sport" would get upset. I'd like to see the OIL tags be $2000 ea. if drawn and require money up front to apply but is that fair to everyone else?

[Bob33]

By the way, the last comment was supposed to have a smiley after it as it was a joke Bob. I can't add it on my iPad for some reason.

[7mag.]

I have to agree with phool. Our current system works good for what we have to work with. We have a massive amount of hunters compared to available game to hunt, especially Moose, Goat, and Sheep. I would love better odds, but, so would every one else, and we can't all have it our way. Right now it is fair to every body. The only 2 ways to guarantee you won't draw is to put in for points only, or don't put in. This way, we all have a chance.

[Falcon]

17 sheep
15 moose
4 elk
1 for deer
Shot my last billy in 99, so I'm out on goat.

I hear some say points don't matter much. Truth be told, they are your only friend in this state. Sure, you sometimes see a guy draw a premium tag with 1 or 2 points, but that is becoming  rare especially with the oil tags. Start squaring the numbers, and they add up fast.

I realize my odds for sheep are about 1.5 %, even with max points, but I am still hopefull I will be drawn before I'm dead!

[fishngamereaper]

15 points across the board....now Im depressed after ready this thread. Thanx guys.

[Pathfinder101]

15 points across the board....now Im depressed after ready this thread. Thanx guys.

Don't forget; there's always luck.  I had a student last year that drew a Bull Moose tag in the Selkirk Unit when she was 14, with only 2 points....

[Chesapeake]

One of my friends drew his moose tag with 4 points. Another guy I hunted with a touch drew his goat tag with not many points. I dont know anyone else that has drawn, but I know lots of folks with 10 to 17 points that try every year.

Bottom line, I'll keep trying every year pretty well regardless of what they do. But I would like to increase the odds, as well as seperate folks out a bit depending on what they species they would prefer to draw.

huntnphool,
You should be least concerned about the change, having drawn a tag all ready. They dont make the changes retroactive, so you would start the 1 species in a life system fresh like the rest of us. You could still go for sheep or goat and wouldnt have to contend with the guys that would rather go for moose. I bet a 1 species per life system would thin the competition for the goat tags significantly. Folks would be going for moose and sheep more than goat. You would still have a shot a 2 OIL's in Washington.

A question I'm not sure of:

 Do whatever points you were given per catagory when this system started go for all catagories? Said another way, will a guy that was given 20 points per catagory have 20 points waiting for him in the 65 and older catagory when he gets there?


 

[Bob33]

" Do whatever points you were given per catagory when this system started go for all catagories? Said another way, will a guy that was given 20 points per catagory have 20 points waiting for him in the 65 and older catagory when he gets there?"

When point replication occured in 2019, replication was done to all categories for the respective specie.  If you had 20 deer points, you would then have 20 points in all the deer categories even if you were not eligible.  You will have 20 points when you turn 65 in your example.