story on Whites, Kehne and my question?

[denali]

Mike Cenci, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife’s chief of enforcement

“Certainly, where wolves are concerned, I think that poaching has had a big impact on recovery,” Cenci said. “Who knows how many wolves were poached before our agency agreed to recognize that they were present. Some were probably rmistaken for coyotes, at least initially.”

How long and how many wolves did they know existed before the were forced to come clean.??   I want to give the department the benefit of the doubt but statements like this make it hard.   maybe I'm over reacting 

http://crosscut.com/2012/05/22/animals-wildlife/108683/wolf-poaching-in-the-northwest/

[Huntbear]

Wolves have been in this state for years... crossing back and forth from Canada to start with....  It was when the state started transplanting but still denying, that it became an issue of believability.

[Special T]

 

They lost thier trust from me. Time to clean house... Look up some of Wolfbaits posts. He has posted lots of articles from newspapers around the area on the west side that talk about wolf sitings. 

[humanure]

It was when the state started transplanting

The fact that you guys still push this baseless, proofless rumor is beyond me.

[pianoman9701]

Wolves have been in this state for years... crossing back and forth from Canada to start with....  It was when the state started transplanting but still denying, that it became an issue of believability.

I don't believe this because it would be professional suicide to have done it. If you can prove that wolves were transplanted, you've got your solution to changing over the management of the DFW. They'd be fired immediately, anyone involved all the way to the top. Criminal charges would be filed. There's a very specific procedure to follow and they just haven't had the budget to do it.

There's never been any need for transplanting. The movement of wolves from Yellowstone, Alberta, BC and ID is well documented through radio collars. With all of these populations increasing at a rate of 30%= plus per year, they have all the wolves they need moving into WA.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match with people on the same side of the fence as me on this issue, Huntbear. But I've personally interviewed representatives from the DFW, the USFWS, the NFS, and the NPS about that specific question and don't believe there have been transplants in WA, at least not by the authorities in WA or the feds. Hybrids and wolf Haven types wolves - could be another story altogether.

[SemperFidelis97]

I personally believe the wolves we are dealing with originated in the yellowstone reintroduction as well.  That being said the state severly abrogated their responsiblities in identifying, and managing wolves until they became a problem they couldn't ignore.  Cenci says it in the article "Who knows how many wolves were poached before our agency agreed to recognize they were present"  I think that its easy for allot of people who haven't seen the impact wolves are having to write them off as a necessary part of our ecosystem.  When in fact they are doing harm in many area's that with a continued presence of wolves may never recover.  Unfortunately as in the case with that cougar in CA you cannot convince someone who's ideas on ecosystems, and wildlife management are based on what they have seen in a Disney cartoon rather than real life science.

[pianoman9701]

I personally believe the wolves we are dealing with originated in the yellowstone reintroduction as well.  That being said the state severly abrogated their responsiblities in identifying, and managing wolves until they became a problem they couldn't ignore.  Cenci says it in the article "Who knows how many wolves were poached before our agency agreed to recognize they were present"  I think that its easy for allot of people who haven't seen the impact wolves are having to write them off as a necessary part of our ecosystem.  When in fact they are doing harm in many area's that with a continued presence of wolves may never recover.  Unfortunately as in the case with that cougar in CA you cannot convince someone who's ideas on ecosystems, and wildlife management are based on what they have seen in a Disney cartoon rather than real life science.

Agreed on all points.

[humanure]

Good points.

[JODakota]

Good points.

Uh oh humanure is back.....lol

[Huntbear]

Wolves have been in this state for years... crossing back and forth from Canada to start with....  It was when the state started transplanting but still denying, that it became an issue of believability.

I don't believe this because it would be professional suicide to have done it. If you can prove that wolves were transplanted, you've got your solution to changing over the management of the DFW. They'd be fired immediately, anyone involved all the way to the top. Criminal charges would be filed. There's a very specific procedure to follow and they just haven't had the budget to do it.

There's never been any need for transplanting. The movement of wolves from Yellowstone, Alberta, BC and ID is well documented through radio collars. With all of these populations increasing at a rate of 30%= plus per year, they have all the wolves they need moving into WA.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match with people on the same side of the fence as me on this issue, Huntbear. But I've personally interviewed representatives from the DFW, the USFWS, the NFS, and the NPS about that specific question and don't believe there have been transplants in WA, at least not by the authorities in WA or the feds. Hybrids and wolf Haven types wolves - could be another story altogether.

Ask Idaho F&G about that.. they completely banned the importation and planting of wolves...  the head of the F&G did it anyway, and lost his job, and is fighting for his life in court.. but kind of like closing the barn door after the horses get out.  This is from the Wolf guy that spoke at CWU with Kehne...

[WAcoyotehunter]

Good points.

Uh oh humanure is back.....lol

Yep- everyone get ready for some serious enlightenment. 

WDFW did not put wolves in WA.  The genetics are really clear...they have been here for a while, and they have bee moving here for a while...on their own.

[Elkaholic daWg]

 

They lost thier trust from me. Time to clean house... Look up some of Wolfbaits posts. He has posted lots of articles from newspapers around the area on the west side that talk about wolf sitings. 

 

 Agreed

[humanure]

Good points.

Uh oh humanure is back.....lol

Yep- everyone get ready for some serious enlightenment. 

WDFW did not put wolves in WA.  The genetics are really clear...they have been here for a while, and they have bee moving here for a while...on their own.

And because they have been here for at least 20-30 years(I honestly feel they they were never fully driven up to Canada to begin with, but that my theory), that means that they have adapted to the eco-system and are now native species(like they were before).

[nwwanderer]

The wolfer meeeting I attended in Yakima last fall was full of I do not know and how could this happen from the WDFW.  They openly discussed that they felt no management would need to occur before 2020.  Many still feel the same.
The genetic report I read from the wolf road killed in Spokane county some years ago said a blend of transplanted Alberta and walk over BC genetics, I have never seen an official report from WDFW. 
These beasties have a range and habit that can put Idaho, Montana and maybe Wyoming individuals here at any time.
 A farmer killed a wolf coming out of a livestock barn a year or so ago less than a half a mile into Idaho, recieved a warning ticket for not reporting the kill in a timely manner.  Did Washington and Idaho cooperate and report to local producers the situation?  Not a word. 
I know you are tired of hearing it, they are here, not going away with the tools we have and the seperation of political boundaries does not allow useful management.  It is a never ending story that no agency has a budget to support.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Good points.

Uh oh humanure is back.....lol

WTH .....But I am not