Heck, I forgot to mention.... This bear had been shot before. In the left shoulder there were bullet fragments and a scarred hole in the should blade muscle area. Luckily their bullet/gun wasnt big enough. I was shooting my 300WM with 208 grain Amax. I was a little nervous with that round on what it would do. I talked with a hunting buddy that uses that on elk all the time and loves them. I dont really have an input on what I think about their performance since it was a 22 yard shoot with a 300 wm. I think anything would have done the trick at that range. The bear was hit, jumped on the ground and dead in 8 yards within 2 seconds. Very quick and clean kill.