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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2012, 05:10:17 PM »
Wolf hunting is more satisfying, you are doing the elk and deer a huge favor.  As well as the outfitters, motel owners, gas station owners, store owners, and all the rest that rely on out of state hunters for their livilihood.  Now a lot of those hunters are going to New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, ... places that haven't been affected by the wolves.
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2012, 06:06:00 PM »
They haven't been affected AS MUCH... Due mainly to the fact that WY had killed every wolf that is in site... I talked to a customer last week that is from Colorado. He stated that there has been an increase in the amount of wolves seen... They suffer from bunny huggers from places like Bolder and other city centers... mainly people that have fled Kalifornia and brought their disease with them...
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2012, 06:29:13 PM »
Vancouver island has wolves that live together with a large heard of elk with huge rosie bulls that command 25k US dollars for a big bull guided hunt.  They have lived side by side successfully while the elk heard thrives.

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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2012, 06:48:58 PM »
Ahem!  For those of you who think you are experts.  Read the links below...
http://westinstenv.org/wildpeop/?s=geist
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/wolves_on_vancouver_island.pdf


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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2012, 07:26:40 PM »
Those were both eye opening articles.  It just shows that those in the agencies who participated in the wolf reintroduction, and who still are involved, have no real concept of the enormity of the problems still to come as a result of the unavoidable overpopulation by wolves.  It's too bad the media refuses to address any of this.
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2012, 06:38:16 AM »
Vancouver island has wolves that live together with a large heard of elk with huge rosie bulls that command 25k US dollars for a big bull guided hunt.  They have lived side by side successfully while the elk heard thrives.

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 :dunno:     You have over 1,200 posts and have been around these forums for awhile, and you make a statement like that?????????????????????????????  Welcome back???
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2012, 07:01:48 AM »
decubame, Currently wolves are feedin on Deer on the island, not elk. However i'm sure when they get the numbers low enough they will start.

WSU survey talking about what wolves eat on the island.
http://research.wsulibs.wsu.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/2376/1692/v63%20p83%20Milne%20et%20al.PDF?sequence=1
What the BC Gov says about wolves on the island.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wld/documents/techpub/b45.pdf
interesting tid bit
http://suite101.com/article/the-wolves-of-vancouver-island-and-coastal-bc-a299977

The artilce talks about the subspecies of wolves on the island and the "red wolf" in the SW. I find this amazing because we are told that there are NO sub sets of wolves...  Wolves from the far north of BC are the same as the ones we had here... This is a transformation of a lie that was told to us in the beginning.   If you read Dscubame the document by the BC gov, it says that they are worried about  the deer population getting too low and the wolves affecting the elk.
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2012, 01:28:31 PM »
GrainFed........Yep,  and now you want to attack me why?  Go on down the road will you.
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2012, 01:32:34 PM »
decubame, Currently wolves are feedin on Deer on the island, not elk. However i'm sure when they get the numbers low enough they will start.

WSU survey talking about what wolves eat on the island.
http://research.wsulibs.wsu.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/2376/1692/v63%20p83%20Milne%20et%20al.PDF?sequence=1
What the BC Gov says about wolves on the island.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wld/documents/techpub/b45.pdf
interesting tid bit
http://suite101.com/article/the-wolves-of-vancouver-island-and-coastal-bc-a299977

The artilce talks about the subspecies of wolves on the island and the "red wolf" in the SW. I find this amazing because we are told that there are NO sub sets of wolves...  Wolves from the far north of BC are the same as the ones we had here... This is a transformation of a lie that was told to us in the beginning.   If you read Dscubame the document by the BC gov, it says that they are worried about  the deer population getting too low and the wolves affecting the elk.

I agree and it is a ebb and flow thing on the island with respect to the predator wolf numbers, depleting its food source in turn delpeting its own population and as the food source rebounds so does the wolf predator numbers.  I could be mistaken but I also thought it is year around open season on the wolves with no license or permits necessary.
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In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2012, 03:46:50 PM »
Wow... we should plan a hunt up there .... :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2012, 02:10:49 AM »
GrainFed........Yep,  and now you want to attack me why?  Go on down the road will you.






Don't be so defensive. In no way was I attacking you. I am just puzzled as to why the statement was made. I will not be going down the road. The gas is too high.
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2012, 06:14:11 AM »
dscubame, I wouldn't call it ebb and flow... The quality of animals does not go up from having wolves around, there were great elk on the island before them. Since elk are a draw only for residents and in order to hunt ANY big game in BC a NR must have a guide. This drives up the price of hunting there, and reduces pressure on the elk from humans. It is also stated in the report that the harvest is very conservative...


"Over 30 Vancouver Island e l k score greater than 280 by the Boone and Crockett Club scoring system, with the number one animal scoring 361
4/8." 1977-84
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Re: More wolves bite the dust ....
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2012, 06:46:16 AM »
GrainFed........Yep,  and now you want to attack me why?  Go on down the road will you.
Very Good Come Back  :chuckle: :chuckle:






Don't be so defensive. In no way was I attacking you. I am just puzzled as to why the statement was made. I will not be going down the road. The gas is too high.

 


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