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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2012, 02:54:40 PM »
No quote of the Constitution is complete without this part!!

Washington State Constitution, Article I, Declaration Of Rights, Section 1.;
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All political power is inherent IN THE PEOPLE, and the governments derive their just powers from THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, and are established to PROTECT AND MAINTAIN INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2012, 07:45:53 AM »
jshunt, you are on the right track....  :tup:

may I suggest a small change in language:

•  Protection of traditional hunting methods like archery tackle and bird hunting dogs

I agree.  I am not sure why the minimum tenets recommended by the NRA did not include more hunting methods.  Obviously, the use of firearms should be included as well.

There will be a lot of work to do, but if we ALL remain steadfast in our resolve to succeed, we should be able to make this happen.  This year is our chance to vote people into office that will support such a measure.  This is also the year we need to make sure the anti-gun and anti-hunter representatives do not get elected to another term.

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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2012, 09:30:35 AM »
No quote of the Constitution is complete without this part!!

Washington State Constitution, Article I, Declaration Of Rights, Section 1.;
Political Power.
All political power is inherent IN THE PEOPLE, and the governments derive their just powers from THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, and are established to PROTECT AND MAINTAIN INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

Our Constitution is extremely clear in describing the intent of "political power".  If we ALL would continuously remind our representatives that their JOB is to "PROTECT AND MAINTAIN INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS" perhaps we might stop having our freedoms whittled away.  If our representatives cannot abide by our Constitution, then they need to be fired immediately.  Keep a close watch on what they are doing; demand that they "PROTECT AND MAINTAIN INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS"

This is why hunting and fishing must become Constitutional rights.  "Privileges can be taken away with the swipe of a pen."

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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2012, 12:08:29 PM »
Even if we can't win the fight to make hunting a right in this state at least we are fighting that battle rather than some other battle that might result in more anti-hunting legislation being passed.  We should drag this thing out as long as possible to draw all anti-hunting attention to this and distract the tree huggers from going after what we currently have.  I think it's a win win.  As long as we choose the battlefield we can never lose.
Thanks Kyle. Well said. But... We can win. The other states that has done it are far better off for it!!
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2012, 12:18:00 PM »
"Privileges can be taken away with the swipe of a pen."
How TRUE!!  There are many that would support that swipe! I still believe that we out number them! Convincing the non hunters may be our second biggest hurdle.
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2012, 09:10:43 AM »
This is a great article written by a former anti-hunter.  She moved from Manhattan to rural Oregon about eight-years ago and eventually became knowledgeable about the facts pertaining to hunting versus being brainwashed by the emotionally based propaganda disseminated by the anti-hunting groups.  It’s a good article that hunters and anti-hunters should read.  It gives further support to why hunting and fishing should be Constitutional rights to prevent extremist anti-hunting groups from pushing their unjust and emotionally driven anti-hunting agendas on all of us.

http://5newsonline.com/2012/07/03/why-hunting-your-own-dinner-is-an-ethical-way-to-eat/

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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2012, 04:44:46 PM »
How strange that this gets posted now. I have an ongoing dialogue with one of our Legislators to sponsor a new bill to make Hunting and fishing a right.

It should happen for the upcoming Biennium.

Al, Paul Harris has voiced a desire to look at sponsoring this legislation. Please email me with specifics. Thanks,
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2012, 05:06:32 PM »
I could totally get behind that idea. Who would I have to pester to help get it moving forward?

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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2012, 06:44:43 AM »
I could totally get behind that idea. Who would I have to pester to help get it moving forward?

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This would have to be a humongous effort and totally coordinated. It requires a super majority of the House and the Senate to get it on the ballot for a vote of the people. Once it gets on the ballot, the real fighting begins, with anti-hunting groups dumping a bunch of money into defeating it.

I would say start talking to your reps and senators now to let them know a coordinated effort hasn't begun, but to keeo this on their radar. When the time comes, we will need reps to sponsor the bill.
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2012, 06:57:58 AM »
i am far from being educated in the political ways of getting issues on the ballot, but why is it expensive? isnt the only thing we gotta do is get enough signatures, i will volunteer my time to get signatures, i dont want to lose my huntn and fishn rights, but i would like to see these van loads of brush pickers, the ones that dont give a crap about are forest lands regulated a bit, i have no clue what anyone would need a truck load of braken ferns,sword ferns, and what ever else that can rip out of the eart, and forget mushrooms after those families go through there, most of you know who i am talkn about, but with people these days if i juist straight up say it i will be labelled as a friggin racist, i like this site to much to get banned for that.. :twocents:  :chuckle:
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2012, 07:10:19 AM »
I think this could be the right idea, but i am skeptical of working with the WDFW in order to pass this. Why would the WDFW that has Regulated our activities in a nonsensical way actually help us?  Its already in the WDFW mandate that they must use the best available science to manage game in this state.  So when they take away our ability to hunt coyotes with the aid of dogs, or Make the harvest goals for cougars much lower than data supports.  How would our recourse change? How come they cannot be held accountable NOW?

I like the idea of sending a message, However I need to know why we have to climb the mountain instead of driving straight at the heart of the matter.

I would imagine it would take lawsuits regardless of making int a right in order to turn back some of this nonsenses, that and a new Gov.  :twocents:
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2012, 07:19:29 AM »
i am far from being educated in the political ways of getting issues on the ballot, but why is it expensive? isnt the only thing we gotta do is get enough signatures, i will volunteer my time to get signatures, i dont want to lose my huntn and fishn rights, but i would like to see these van loads of brush pickers, the ones that dont give a crap about are forest lands regulated a bit, i have no clue what anyone would need a truck load of braken ferns,sword ferns, and what ever else that can rip out of the eart, and forget mushrooms after those families go through there, most of you know who i am talkn about, but with people these days if i juist straight up say it i will be labelled as a friggin racist, i like this site to much to get banned for that.. :twocents:  :chuckle:

The fight in other states has shown that HSUS and the Defenders of Wildlife will spend millions of dollars in advertising to defeat an amendment which mandates hunting and fishing rights. If we aren't organized, these two organizations will be the only ones talking to the 96% of voters who don't hunt in WA. This would be a huge mistake.If we try and fail, we'll likely not get another chance. Once the people vote against, very few politicians will buck the majority to stick their neck out a second time.
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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2012, 09:04:19 AM »
   I'm  wondering where it is written in stone that it must be on the ballot to be put into place.
 If so, why do we bother with elections to be represented to do these things?
 Now I could  see where the if legislature passed it, and THEN the huggers put up petition drives and get it on the ballot.

 We would be better off if it didn't come up for a public vote

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Re: Make Hunting and Fishing Constitutional Rights in Washington State
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2012, 09:24:32 AM »
   I'm  wondering where it is written in stone that it must be on the ballot to be put into place.
 If so, why do we bother with elections to be represented to do these things?
 Now I could  see where the if legislature passed it, and THEN the huggers put up petition drives and get it on the ballot.

 We would be better off if it didn't come up for a public vote

It's part of the Constitution. It's done that way so some lame-ass politician can't decide to take our rights away without due process with many safeguards.
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