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[bigtex]

But to be fare, it wasn't that long ago that all you needed was a "fishing license".

From the 1997 WDFW Fishing regs:

Food Fish License: Typically saltwater, including salmon
Pugest Sound Enhancement: Required for food fish in MA 5-13 and Lk WA
Game Fish License: Typically lakes and rivers
Steelhead License: Pretty obvious
Warmwater Game Fish Enhancement: Reguired for bass, channel catfish, crappie, tiger musky, and walleye
Shellfish/Seaweed: Same as now

And in 2012:
Freshwater License
Saltwater License
Shellfish Seaweed
Combo
Columbia River Salmon/Steelhead Endorsement

So from 1997 to 2012 we no longer have a "Warmwater Game Fish Enhancement" endorsement, no longer have a steelhead license as it is included in your "regular" license, and no longer have the "Puget Sound Enhancement". The thing we have "gained" is the "columbia river salmon/steelhead endorsement"

[duckmen1]

I thought I'd pitch in my thought on the subject. I am against the discover pass because before this happened we were able to actually have fun in the state land responsibly. Now since the discover pass became, we have lost many roads, dug out to the point you can't even walk it. Makes hunting access harder to reach the areas you want to get off road. Target shooting has been affected, which is good and bad. The problem with this is signs are posted saying it is ok to target shoot as long as your not littering doing it, using explosive targets, shooting in safe direction with backstop, etc. But underneath that sign it says prohibited will be prosecuted. And my other problem is no body patrols the area, so everybody doesn't get the pass and we are the only ones paying. It's just been irritating since the pass was created.

[Fishmasterdan]

I know several people that are so tired of this state they refuse to buy anything. Licenses, tags, pass, ect. A ticket is cheaper than the all the stupid things we have to buy. I fully support a repeal of the states power over the people and we need to put the people back in charge. Number one, we the people should not have to pay for something we already paid for. By the way our renewable resources used to pay for our schools.

For the record I am against the illegal pass. Public land is just that.

[bigtex]

I know several people that are so tired of this state they refuse to buy anything. Licenses, tags, pass, ect. A ticket is cheaper than the all the stupid things we have to buy.

Lets see

Discover Pass = $30
Fine For being parked without the pass = $99
Fine for driving without the pass = $203

Unless my math is wrong, the Pass is NOT cheaper then the ticket   

[bigtex]

I thought I'd pitch in my thought on the subject. I am against the discover pass because before this happened we were able to actually have fun in the state land responsibly. Now since the discover pass became, we have lost many roads, dug out to the point you can't even walk it. Makes hunting access harder to reach the areas you want to get off road. Target shooting has been affected, which is good and bad. The problem with this is signs are posted saying it is ok to target shoot as long as your not littering doing it, using explosive targets, shooting in safe direction with backstop, etc. But underneath that sign it says prohibited will be prosecuted. And my other problem is no body patrols the area, so everybody doesn't get the pass and we are the only ones paying. It's just been irritating since the pass was created.

I have not seen a single road closed since the Discover Pass law. All of the WDFW/DNR Roads I know of that have been closed were prior to the Discover Pass. I am sure there have been road closures, but to say "we have lost many roads" I can't see as being correct. In fact DNR has actually OPENED DNR areas that had been closed for several years since the Discover Pass went into effect.

WDFW, DNR, and Parks do patrol the areas and enforce the laws. Over a thousand Discover Pass tickets have been written since the law was enacted.

[Heredoggydoggy]

I thought I'd pitch in my thought on the subject. I am against the discover pass because before this happened we were able to actually have fun in the state land responsibly. Now since the discover pass became, we have lost many roads, dug out to the point you can't even walk it. Makes hunting access harder to reach the areas you want to get off road. Target shooting has been affected, which is good and bad. The problem with this is signs are posted saying it is ok to target shoot as long as your not littering doing it, using explosive targets, shooting in safe direction with backstop, etc. But underneath that sign it says prohibited will be prosecuted. And my other problem is no body patrols the area, so everybody doesn't get the pass and we are the only ones paying. It's just been irritating since the pass was created.

WDFW, DNR, and Parks do patrol the areas and enforce the laws. Over a thousand Discover Pass tickets have been written since the law was enacted.

Writing tickets and collecting on them are two different things.  I'll bet that tickets written to illegals are never collected on--if they even bother to write them.....

[bigtex]

I thought I'd pitch in my thought on the subject. I am against the discover pass because before this happened we were able to actually have fun in the state land responsibly. Now since the discover pass became, we have lost many roads, dug out to the point you can't even walk it. Makes hunting access harder to reach the areas you want to get off road. Target shooting has been affected, which is good and bad. The problem with this is signs are posted saying it is ok to target shoot as long as your not littering doing it, using explosive targets, shooting in safe direction with backstop, etc. But underneath that sign it says prohibited will be prosecuted. And my other problem is no body patrols the area, so everybody doesn't get the pass and we are the only ones paying. It's just been irritating since the pass was created.

WDFW, DNR, and Parks do patrol the areas and enforce the laws. Over a thousand Discover Pass tickets have been written since the law was enacted.

Writing tickets and collecting on them are two different things.  I'll bet that tickets written to illegals are never collected on--if they even bother to write them.....

Well here's the thing. Under state law these violations are either a parking citation (for the parking violation) or a natural resource infraction (for the driving). Being that these are not criminal offenses no warrants are issued, since they are not a traffic infraction no licenses are suspended. Now technically under state law someone who does not pay their fine for an infraction can be charged with contempt of court. However there is no district court in this state that has the time to go after people who failed to pay the fine for a natural resouce or a non-traffic infraction.

Unfortunately it is just the nature of the game 

[TheHunt]

The reason why Elbe hills is that way is because the 4X4 would just drive over it.  It is a game for them to see if they can get through it.  If the DNR trashes the entire road it make a deterrent for the 4X4 crowd. 

[billythekidrock]

Big text what area do you go out to maybe I'm in a different DNA chunk of land than you. Digging out roads within the past year was during the discover pass right. I know of a bridge and four other roads that have been taken out in the chunk I'm at alone. Digging out ditck cuts across the road down to the end making it almost impossible to walk even is not my imagination. On top of digging out they put as much trash wood and crap down it as possible.also even the main line was dug out and you have a round about way up the ridge and back down for no reason now.Only since the pass has things got more restricted in this area.
By the way I'm talking Elbe hills.

The DP has nothing to do with digging up roads or bridges. These are roads that have been designated for decommission. Probably been planned for years. Most of it due to upkeep and or stream damage.

[bigtex]

Big text what area do you go out to maybe I'm in a different DNA chunk of land than you. Digging out roads within the past year was during the discover pass right. I know of a bridge and four other roads that have been taken out in the chunk I'm at alone. Digging out ditck cuts across the road down to the end making it almost impossible to walk even is not my imagination. On top of digging out they put as much trash wood and crap down it as possible.also even the main line was dug out and you have a round about way up the ridge and back down for no reason now.Only since the pass has things got more restricted in this area.
By the way I'm talking Elbe hills.

The DP has nothing to do with digging up roads or bridges. These are roads that have been designated for decommission. Probably been planned for years. Most of it due to upkeep and or stream damage.

 

And duckmen. The DNR Officer that covers Pierce County as well as WDFW Officers patrol Elbe Hills pretty frequently, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't patrol it.

There are people that get checked by Officers 10x a year, others go years without even seeing one, doesn't mean they aren't out there.

[bigtex]

Big tex
There may be patrol some times but I think there should be more.
Once again sorry for thinking that some of the money used for the pass needs to get used toward what the pass is for.

Everyone wants more enforcement, and there are stats to support this. Doesn't matter if its DNR, WDFW, USFS, or BLM.

Up until a few months ago one DNR Officer covered King, Pierce, Mason, and Kitsap Counties. A new Officer position was created on the olympic peninsula so now the Officer won't have to patrol Mason and Kitsap Counties as often, and will be able to concentrate more on Pierce and King Counties. However with that said the majority of the DNR lands between King and Pierce Counties are in King County, as are many of the problems that occur on DNR lands, and the higher visitation. So this officer has historically patrolled King County DNR lands more then others in his patrol area. And even with the addition of the officer on the peninsula he still does need to patrol areas in Kitsap and Mason Counties, just not as often.

Also, only about 15% of DNR's portion of the Discover Pass funding goes to enforcement.

[bigtex]

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Hunters Rights - Legislation - Activism - 2nd Amendment / Re: WDFW Vehicle Access Pass Legislation
« on: January 17, 2013, 05:29:07 PM »
Quote from: gaddy on January 17, 2013, 05:25:50 PM
i still dont see were allocations of funds are addressed? why is it that the state parks get the bulk & why are the counties in which citations are issued getting all funds instead of a split for the issuing agencies.

This bill does nothing to the funds.

FYI, actually effective summer 2012 the fines from citations went into the Discover Pass account. 8% to DNR, 8% to WDFW, and 84% to Parks.


Exactly my point. This is from one of your prior posts. As far as money going toward parks.my access this year changed at alder too. No launching your boat for the rest of the season at either boat launch on a year round fishing lake. Funny how this works. Always launch this time of year in the past.

I don't see what your point is. 8% of fines and sales go to WDFW, 8% to DNR, 84% to Parks.
Alder Lake has nothing to do with the Discover Pass since it is under Tacoma Power, not the state

[trophyhunt]

Probaly already commented on this post but when I see discover pass on this site I have to comment. They can suck my big toe, (for lack of a better phrase since everything on here is rated pg). NO way will I ever buy one, they need to manage OUR money a little better. You want to charge me to take a walk on public land.... . And after I just spent 114 dollars to get my license and tags as a resident hunter! I hope they lose money trying to sell these bull crap passes.

[bigtex]

Your telling me that one officer four the past four counties and now present two counties is enough for that big of population in this area.
I think more of the money we are paying should go to enforcement not just a total of .53 percent of the over all money from the pass. That isn't even 1 percent. If you wonder how I got that number take the 8 percent of dnr funds divided by you 15 percent of the dnr funds.

No I am not saying one officer for King and Pierce is good. You could probably have 2 DNR Officers in King and one in Pierce which just covers Elbe since thats where most the land is. But as a law enforcement agency DNR is at it's highest staffing right now. There was a study done 3 years ago and it said WDFW should add 100 officers just to provide adequate staffing, not great, but adequate.

If you want more DNR and WDFW Officers tell your state rep. Under Gregoire's proposed budget the only state law enforcement agency set to gain officers is 10 more officers for the Liquor Control Board due to all of their issues under 1183 and now 502. WSP, WDFW, DNR, Gambling will not see an increase in officers. WDFW asked for one more officer and one more sergeant, it was denied.

[billythekidrock]

And I don't think the discover pass was created by dnr or wdfw. Gregoire had a part in that to and you notice since she got in to office wdfw employes have been laid off because of her budgetting. Resulting in lack of enforcement. Not all her fault but she hasn't helped.

Those agencies may have not created the actual DP, but I know for a fact that those agencies have had ideas of there own passes for years.

I never liked Gregoire but if you haven't noticed, our whole country was in a recession. Not just WDFW employees lost their jobs and not just because of the former gov.