one man's draw rant;Your story?

[Bigshooter]

One easy way to improve the odds.  Would be to cut the amount of choices we get in half.  For quality go to one choice and for buck/bull go to two choices.  WDFW still get the same amount of money but the draw odds will get a better.

[RadSav]

One easy way to improve the odds.  Would be to cut the amount of choices we get in half.  For quality go to one choice and for buck/bull go to two choices.  WDFW still get the same amount of money but the draw odds will get a better.

  Our odds were better before the point system and all the multiple choices.

[bobcat]

One easy way to improve the odds.  Would be to cut the amount of choices we get in half.  For quality go to one choice and for buck/bull go to two choices.  WDFW still get the same amount of money but the draw odds will get a better.

Doing that would improve odds for some permits, but make it worse for others. Overall, I believe it wouldn't help odds at all. Same number of people applying, same number of permits available = same odds. Right?

You want to really improve odds- make it so a person can only apply in one category per species. So for elk, if you want to apply for a quality permit, you can't also apply for a "regular" bull permit or an antlerless permit. Odds for the non-quality permits would go way up. Quality permits would probably stay about the same.

The other good way of improving odds is to make it more expensive. Well, they did that already. So there's not much left that can be done. Limiting the number of permits a person can apply for will decrease revenue to the state, so that will never happen. (expect maybe when/if the economy ever gets better)

[Bigshooter]

Well as much as some would like to we are not going to be going back to that system anytime soon.  WDFW would lose money if we did.  What i suggested improves odds and WDFW doesn't lose any money.

[Bigshooter]

If a unit gives out 10 tags and it has 1000a people put in for it first choice and 1000 people put in for it second chioce then your odds are 10 in 2000.  If you only onlu get one choice and and the same 1000 people put in for it first choice then the odds are 10 in 1000.

[bobcat]

Well as much as some would like to we are not going to be going back to that system anytime soon.  WDFW would lose money if we did.  What i suggested improves odds and WDFW doesn't lose any money.

I just don't understand how that would improve odds. Not for EVERY permit. Sure, certain permits that aren't very popular will get less applicants because they won't get listed as a 2nd choice like they do now. But I think it would change odds very little.

[bigelk1030]

I am with you on the draw, I have the full 17 points for all the elk categories.  This is good and bad, admittedly I am ghosting the cow tags now because I would hate to burn one if I was drawn for a bull tag.  For bulls, I have put in every year for modern rifle Margaret and Green River and never a draw.  My plan is to continue the same.  Sad to think that that I haven't been drawn for 17 years.............

[bobcat]

If a unit gives out 10 tags and it has 1000a people put in for it first choice and 1000 people put in for it second chioce then your odds are 10 in 2000.  If you only onlu get one choice and and the same 1000 people put in for it first choice then the odds are 10 in 1000.

I know that sounds better but in the real world I don't think it would work quite like that. For one thing, you would be limited to only one unit to draw, where before you had two chances. Thinking of it that way, your odds just got cut in half!

[B.G.hunter]

One easy way to improve the odds.  Would be to cut the amount of choices we get in half.  For quality go to one choice and for buck/bull go to two choices.  WDFW still get the same amount of money but the draw odds will get a better.

I would also like you choose between Goat, Moose and Sheep or Deer and Elk so the odds would actually be attainable for the OIL species.

[Bigshooter]

Well if that wouldn't help the odds lets go to 10 choices.  Same amount of people applying for the same amount of tags.

[Glockster]

I love watching guys get so wound up about the WA draws, loosing sleep; attempting to the calculate odds, salivating over backdoor results info...it's every bit as entertaining as watching a public boat launch on a hot summers day.   

Plus all these "preference" points I'm accumulating make me feel like a rich man.

Where did you get "preference" points? Maybe Wyoming?

Washington doesnt have "preference" points. We have "bonus" points. 

I know....it's so tuff to keep up with all the draw jargon; 'OIL tags', 'quality', 'bonus points', 'ghost points' ....When I apply to hunting places like Montana and NM their reg books are not nearly as many pages. 

[boneaddict]

YOU WANT TO REALLY improve odds.   If you apply for OIL, you can't apply for deer or elk.

[link]

YOU WANT TO REALLY improve odds.   If you apply for OIL, you can't apply for deer or elk.

Or, maybe Deer plus one OIL, or elk plus one OIL. Never going to make everyone happy.

[Wea300mag]

One easy way to improve the odds.  Would be to cut the amount of choices we get in half.  For quality go to one choice and for buck/bull go to two choices.  WDFW still get the same amount of money but the draw odds will get a better.

I agree, WDFW is not going to limit the number of permits you can apply for, that would cut their cash flow.

[BOWHUNTER45]

sell off a testicle and buy the gov tag.   Pretty cheap compared to the rest of the gov tags, and consider it a hunt of a lifetime.

What if you want to buy 3 gov. tags? 

It feels like when you finally get more then a dozen points.....it doesn't really matter how many points. Seems like we would be better off cashing them in and starting over. I wonder what the ratio is for those who draw with less then 10 compared to those with more then 10.

this is a really good point here now ... everyone I know who drew a tag was with less than 10 pts including myself and my son .... You may have something here