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WAcoyotehunter 
"Good argument and I know what you mean by 'lining the lawyers (and their own) pockets'.  I guess I should have been more clear about what I met.  Hunters need to be more active in the Politics of Conservation. 

Conservation groups are generating data and making strong cases in court.  They often have better data than the agencies... sad.  There are a ton of examples of Conservation groups leading the way for species recovery- the most recent one is Caribou (like it or not...)  Hunters have not said a word about caribou recovery...100 years ago it would have been us making things happen...now it's "them".

Hunters do fund the state agencies (the ones with poorer data than some of the conservation groups) and cough up millions in P&R dollars.  Anti hunting groups rarely put much money on the ground, until they need to generate data to make a case.
The disconnect that always blows me away is the general position that hunters take on public land and habitat issues.  The recent example was the legislation that would open millions of acres of public land to mining/mineral/oil exploration and open roads all over those areas.  It would be TERRIBLE for wildlife...so how could hunters possibly be in favor of that??  Those 'party lines' blow my mind."

The Red part of your statement is the most important part! IF the state was doing what the HUNTERS wanted(in most cases) they would be doing more for the wildlife... It baffles my mind that the WDFW has 100x the resources but do such a lousy job...

[sebek556]

 

Conservation groups are generating data and making strong cases in court. 
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this is where I have a huge issue... I went to a wolf working group meeting, and saw the data they "generated" , generating data is the correct term, most of these groups are not collecting data, gathering data or researching data. They are generating it, in some plush 4th story room drinking latte's saying hey this sounds good put this in. So when they are approached with even the DFW's half data it looks like they are running circles around us. Plus the powers that be are appointing members to DFW to get the data to sound how they want it to, all the while draggin us along to pay the tab.
DFW's data collecting, gathering and research will not improve until the people that are paying them can hold them accountable. Just like any job when told to do something a few things come to mind, can you affect my pay, can you fire me? If the answer is no then most likely their response will be F U.

[Gringo31]

 

Finally.....a good hi-jack!