Disruptiive member banned

[Pathfinder101]

Good call Dale.   

[Huntboy]

 Way to go Dale.

[Alchase]

I thought it was kind of funny how "most" people just continued to talk around his posts......like he was not even there, lol

Then he would post something idiotic, and hilarity would ensue for a few pages.

The problem like Dale said, after a couple posts the original and usually interesting topic was then forgotten.

Dale you have a ton more tolerance then I ever would, catch me without my coffee and all of yous would be banned! Then after my second cup I would feel bad and unban you, lol.

[PolarBear]

You should check out his facebook page.  He is nothing but a wolf loving punk kid.

[JohnVH]

Thank you!

[buckhorn2]

Thanks Dale.

[brackens]

I am not one who thinks that wolves are good for deer, elk, et. al if left unchecked.  I am from the prospective that they have been a part of the ecosystem for as long as it has been around.  I think a healthy population, like cougar, bear and coyotes, are a good thing.  I did not agree with how the individual that got banned took over every post on this topic.  But I am concerned that any opinion other than wolves are a menace that needs to be eradicated is shouted down and banned.  There needs to be room for a differing opinion or what is the point of a forum?

[Special T]

I would argue there is room for a different oppinion, however you had best have your information/ argument well formed... Wolves are here so its really to what degree they need to be managed... Many here are not too concerned about personal oppinions but more concerned about facts and logic used to move us forward.  ANYONE who is willing to engage in thoughtful debate is welcome, if all you want to do is  I wouldn't wase my effort to respond. 

[h20hunter]

Well said and very true.

[Kain]

I am not one who thinks that wolves are good for deer, elk, et. al if left unchecked.  I am from the prospective that they have been a part of the ecosystem for as long as it has been around.  I think a healthy population, like cougar, bear and coyotes, are a good thing.  I did not agree with how the individual that got banned took over every post on this topic. But I am concerned that any opinion other than wolves are a menace that needs to be eradicated is shouted down and banned. There needs to be room for a differing opinion or what is the point of a forum?

You and I seem to have a similar opinion on how a few well managed wolves is fine.  No one is shouting down or banning either one of us and telling us how wrong our opinions are.    

Its like the saying goes.  "Dont be so open minded that your brains fall out."  We can be open for debate on all sides but letting useless blathering and disruption go unchecked does nothing for an intellectual debate on this issue.

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  I knew this would be the case and as I said the person who was banned did spam the living hell out of the topic.  That being said I just think it is important to realize that people, not beret and button wearing environmentalists, see MANAGED wolves as just another part of the outdoors.

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I think the you and I both know that most everything is opinion.  I can probably find studies that can bolster any position on any topic.  The tone of my post is that I am willing and able to hear the other side, respectfully.

I would argue there is room for a different oppinion, however you had best have your information/ argument well formed... Wolves are here so its really to what degree they need to be managed... Many here are not too concerned about personal oppinions but more concerned about facts and logic used to move us forward.  ANYONE who is willing to engage in thoughtful debate is welcome, if all you want to do is  I wouldn't wase my effort to respond. 

[Special T]

There are several hard cold facts that are not really up for debate...  I would argue that the pro wolf side is LACKING  in thier ability to provide actuall data on many opinions. I know of 2 people that could burry most Anti's in written documents to disprove thier arguments.

[WAcoyotehunter]

sadly, I disagree Special T.  The Anti's have LOADS of pretty good biology that support wolves being a part of an ecosystem.  The problem we have here is that wolves could replace hunters, which we are unwilling to accept.  The biology is there, it's really a social aspect that gets hackles up. 

The anti hunting groups are a pretty damn crafty adversary...

[Special T]

The wolf issue is just like the spotted owl. It is a tool used as a wedge to seperate people from being able to use Public lands... The solution isn't really to argue the facts( look how long it has taken for the spotted owl issue to ralize its another owl competing as a major factor) its about $$$.

Wolves didn't really need "saving" in washington because we had them here for much of the time that there was supposidly an absence...  I think its an interesting ACEDEMIC discussion but i realize to solve the issue the ESA needs to be adressed NOT the details about wolves...

The Anit groups do not have good Biology, they are more organised and better at playing the game.