Disruptiive member banned

[WAcoyotehunter]

You're right about the $$$.  ESA is big money.

I am still on the side of conservation whenever I can be.  I don't mind having a few wolves around and I don't mind making sacrifices to my hunting, hunting areas, access, weapon choice... if a species or habitat is realistically in peril.  I don't like seeing hunters fight against hunters, but the disconnect between hunting and conservation is one that I cannot wrap my brain around.  Hunters need to be the ones at the forefront of conservation- not anti hunting groups.   

[Special T]

The problem the FACT is that now they are "here" they are not going anywhere. If it took poisen, extensive trapping etc to greatly reduce their numbers Do you think we could really wipe them out now?
No agency would sanction poisoning. ID is going to have a hell of a time controlling numbers with liberal trapping and hunting seasons, so...   Realistically Pro wolfers have already achieved what they SAY they want... What they really want tho resides in you wallet. 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Ya- that might be true, but if we went after them right now hunters could eliminate wolves from WA.  I believe that.  I don't think that's what we want.  I also think the antis are using the wolf to further their agenda, which is unfortunate. 

It's a tough situation for sure.  I don't like hearing hunters banter on about SSS or other nonsense, but I can understand why people feel like they've been ignored by the agencies.  Sadly, lawsuits make things happen... maybe some hunting groups will file one...?

[brackens]

Wolves need to have value as a game animal in order to have peace.    When an animal has value and hunters want to harvest it, it will be managed correctly.  I know this is an opinion but I truly believe you can look at Africa for predator game management success. 

[Kain]

Wolves need to have value as a game animal in order to have peace.    When an animal has value and hunters want to harvest it, it will be managed correctly.  I know this is an opinion but I truly believe you can look at Africa for predator game management success.

I dont know anything about africa but bears and cougars have a value here and even the management of those is being manipulated.  The management of wolves is going to be a major problem here even when it is allowed to start.  I agree with you and others that a sustainable number of wolves that are aggressively managed would be fine in this state.  That being said I dont think that will ever happen.  Wolves will over populate and any effort to manage them will be so restricted that they will be out of control and by then all methods that will be available in this state will not be enough.  No leg holds for the average trapper.  No poisons.  Aerial gunning would be ineffective even if they allow it in most of the state.  The anti's have pretty much already won the fight.  We are just going to have to fight to see how long hunting can hang on.   With how hunters fight with each other and how unwilling the are to stand up for anything the outlook does not look good. 

[Curly]

Banning humanure was a good move.   

[bearpaw]

I am not one who thinks that wolves are good for deer, elk, et. al if left unchecked.  I am from the prospective that they have been a part of the ecosystem for as long as it has been around.  I think a healthy population, like cougar, bear and coyotes, are a good thing.  I did not agree with how the individual that got banned took over every post on this topic.  But I am concerned that any opinion other than wolves are a menace that needs to be eradicated is shouted down and banned.  There needs to be room for a differing opinion or what is the point of a forum?

You are wrong! Just to clarify, humanure was given a warning and a short ban not long ago due to the fact his posts continued to decline to a lower level and he continued to change the topic in wolf posts. His own actions and the number of requests I recieved from other members regarding his actions is what earned him a permanent ban. 

You are welcome to take any position on wolves, but dont use his methods.

[wraithen]

Shoulda locked this in the beginning. It just turned into something of a memorial thread haha.

[Kowsrule30]

I am not one who thinks that wolves are good for deer, elk, et. al if left unchecked.  I am from the prospective that they have been a part of the ecosystem for as long as it has been around.  I think a healthy population, like cougar, bear and coyotes, are a good thing.  I did not agree with how the individual that got banned took over every post on this topic.  But I am concerned that any opinion other than wolves are a menace that needs to be eradicated is shouted down and banned.  There needs to be room for a differing opinion or what is the point of a forum?

You are wrong! Just to clarify, humanure was given a warning and a short ban not long ago due to the fact his posts continued to decline to a lower level and he continued to change the topic in wolf posts. His own actions and the number of requests I recieved from other members regarding his actions is what earned him a permanent ban. 

You are welcome to take any position on wolves, but dont use his methods.

Think a connection is here?       Just saying.... Brackens sounds off..... 

[sebek556]

  hmm one just banned then a newer user pops up with about the same view points.... wonder how long this identity will last

[ShaneTyTrey]

Thanks

[mfswallace]

I am not one who thinks that wolves are good for deer, elk, et. al if left unchecked.  I am from the prospective that they have been a part of the ecosystem for as long as it has been around.  I think a healthy population, like cougar, bear and coyotes, are a good thing.  I did not agree with how the individual that got banned took over every post on this topic.  But I am concerned that any opinion other than wolves are a menace that needs to be eradicated is shouted down and banned.  There needs to be room for a differing opinion or what is the point of a forum?

You are wrong! Just to clarify, humanure was given a warning and a short ban not long ago due to the fact his posts continued to decline to a lower level and he continued to change the topic in wolf posts. His own actions and the number of requests I recieved from other members regarding his actions is what earned him a permanent ban. 

You are welcome to take any position on wolves, but dont use his methods.

Think a connection is here?       Just saying.... Brackens sounds off.....

  hmm one just banned then a newer user pops up with about the same view points.... wonder how long this identity will last

Look at Brackens post history and date of start here....then decide if Humanure is smart enough to start a number of different accounts

[JimmyHoffa]

I doubt they are the same.

[brackens]

Classic.  I post something that respectfully says that it is ok to have different opinions on the subject, clearly stating that I think wolves need to be managed, and now the conspiracy theorist think I am the banned member.    LOL.  My last post suggested that hunting them and checking their numbers is a good thing.  This is my last post on this subject as rational discussion on the topic appears to be nil.

[CAMPMEAT]

Wolves need to have value as a game animal in order to have peace.    When an animal has value and hunters want to harvest it, it will be managed correctly.  I know this is an opinion but I truly believe you can look at Africa for predator game management success.

All animals managed by the WDFW in this state is done poorly.....