Disruptiive member banned

[bearpaw]

Classic.  I post something that respectfully says that it is ok to have different opinions on the subject, clearly stating that I think wolves need to be managed, and now the conspiracy theorist think I am the banned member.    LOL.  My last post suggested that hunting them and checking their numbers is a good thing.  This is my last post on this subject as rational discussion on the topic appears to be nil.

Several banned users have come back on the forum with a new username, we have deleted several such previously banned users, I would suggest that's the reason for those comments.

You are welcome to your opinion, but how can you not expect to not raise a few eyebrows given the circumstances. I can see you are a different user by your post history, so no worries. 

[bearpaw]

Wolves need to have value as a game animal in order to have peace.    When an animal has value and hunters want to harvest it, it will be managed correctly.  I know this is an opinion but I truly believe you can look at Africa for predator game management success.

All animals managed by the WDFW in this state is done poorly.....

I think Wyoming is doing it right. Wolves are protected in and around the park, if they stray out of their protected area and into the populated and ranching areas of the state, they are classified as unprotected wildlife in those areas and may be shot on sight by anyone, no license needed.

I have stated something to this effect before, if wolves were protected in national parks and wilderness areas I could support that provided wolves could be shot on sight when they are standing on the knoll eyeing a ranchers cattle, watching pets, or studying children playing or waiting for the bus.

Wolves should be unprotected in human inhabited areas, wolves do not belong in or near inhabited areas. The same can be said for grizzly bears, the records of attacks and costs associated with agencies allowing wolves and grizzlies to inhabit unsuitable habitat supports my statement.

[Huntboy]

Wolves need to have value as a game animal in order to have peace.    When an animal has value and hunters want to harvest it, it will be managed correctly.  I know this is an opinion but I truly believe you can look at Africa for predator game management success.

All animals managed by the WDFW in this state is done poorly.....

I think Wyoming is doing it right. Wolves are protected in and around the park, if they stray out of their protected area and into the populated and ranching areas of the state, they are classified as unprotected wildlife in those areas and may be shot on sight by anyone, no license needed.

I have stated something to this effect before, if wolves were protected in national parks and wilderness areas I could support that provided wolves could be shot on sight when they are standing on the knoll eyeing a ranchers cattle, watching pets, or studying children playing or waiting for the bus.

Wolves should be unprotected in human inhabited areas, wolves do not belong in or near inhabited areas. The same can be said for grizzly bears, the records of attacks and costs associated with agencies allowing wolves and grizzlies to inhabit unsuitable habitat supports my statement.

Agreed.

[sebek556]

my bad brackens you are not the former member.. gotta start watching my consumption / typing level more 

[sirmissalot]

Thank you. I had quit looking at wolf topics all together. Every topic he commented on aggregated me I just couldn't stand it anymore

[Machias]

but the disconnect between hunting and conservation is one that I cannot wrap my brain around.  Hunters need to be the ones at the forefront of conservation- not anti hunting groups.   

I resepctfully and adamently disagree with you.  The Anti's are nowhere near the forefront of conservationism, no where NEAR the forefront!!!!!  Now if you want to say they are at the forefront of lining lawyers pockets and lawsuit after lawsuit, then I would agree with you.  But they are not at the forefront of conservationism.  Hunters, trappers, fisherman are WAY ahead.  We are the conservationist of the world.  Just think of how many BILLIONS of dollars could be spent on wildlife if the anti's stopped with all the lawsuits.  Think of all the money wasted in the courts that could have gone to habitat restoration, habitiat purchase, etc....  We are the original and still the main driving force behind conservationism.

[CAMPMEAT]

but the disconnect between hunting and conservation is one that I cannot wrap my brain around.  Hunters need to be the ones at the forefront of conservation- not anti hunting groups.   

I resepctfully and adamently disagree with you.  The Anti's are nowhere near the forefront of conservationism, no where NEAR the forefront!!!!!  Now if you want to say they are at the forefront of lining lawyers pockets and lawsuit after lawsuit, then I would agree with you.  But they are not at the forefront of conservationism.  Hunters, trappers, fisherman are WAY ahead.  We are the conservationist of the world.  Just think of how many BILLIONS of dollars could be spent on wildlife if the anti's stopped with all the lawsuits.  Think of all the money wasted in the courts that could have gone to habitat restoration, habitiat purchase, etc....  We are the original and still the main driving force behind conservationism.

Pat on the back for you Machias ! I agree 200 %.

[Special T]

 

[bearpaw]

extremely well stated Machias.... 

[RoyBoy]

  good we dont need degrading people like that on this site.

[WAcoyotehunter]

but the disconnect between hunting and conservation is one that I cannot wrap my brain around.  Hunters need to be the ones at the forefront of conservation- not anti hunting groups.   

I resepctfully and adamently disagree with you.  The Anti's are nowhere near the forefront of conservationism, no where NEAR the forefront!!!!!  Now if you want to say they are at the forefront of lining lawyers pockets and lawsuit after lawsuit, then I would agree with you.  But they are not at the forefront of conservationism.  Hunters, trappers, fisherman are WAY ahead.  We are the conservationist of the world.  Just think of how many BILLIONS of dollars could be spent on wildlife if the anti's stopped with all the lawsuits.  Think of all the money wasted in the courts that could have gone to habitat restoration, habitiat purchase, etc....  We are the original and still the main driving force behind conservationism.

Pat on the back for you Machias ! I agree 200 %.

Good argument and I know what you mean by 'lining the lawyers (and their own) pockets'.  I guess I should have been more clear about what I met.  Hunters need to be more active in the Politics of Conservation. 

Conservation groups are generating data and making strong cases in court.  They often have better data than the agencies... sad.  There are a ton of examples of Conservation groups leading the way for species recovery- the most recent one is Caribou (like it or not...)  Hunters have not said a word about caribou recovery...100 years ago it would have been us making things happen...now it's "them".

Hunters do fund the state agencies (the ones with poorer data than some of the conservation groups) and cough up millions in P&R dollars.  Anti hunting groups rarely put much money on the ground, until they need to generate data to make a case.

The disconnect that always blows me away is the general position that hunters take on public land and habitat issues.  The recent example was the legislation that would open millions of acres of public land to mining/mineral/oil exploration and open roads all over those areas.  It would be TERRIBLE for wildlife...so how could hunters possibly be in favor of that??  Those 'party lines' blow my mind.

[CAMPMEAT]

Hunters don't have billionaires like nonhunters Paul Allen, to use their money for bogus lawsuits or to make huge land purchases. Has anyone ever heard of, " The Paul Allen Forest " near Loomis ?

[KopperBuck]

Hunters don't have billionaires like nonhunters Paul Allen, to use their money for bogus lawsuits or to make huge land purchases. Has anyone ever heard of, " The Paul Allen Forest " near Loomis ?

Turner family anyone?

[villageidiot]

Unfortunately, most hunters are also blue collar workers and have a extremely high respect for JOBS.  Opening up roads or lets say not closeing roads we have, opening up federal land to oil exploration, mining, timber harvesting create thousands of jobs.  The green crowd live in cities and leach off each other and sell things the workers produce.  Problem is the blue collar guys are the ones that get the regulations put on them and lose jobs to apease the green crowd.  All of these endeavors can be done with care and absolutely not affect wildlife.  Look at the Alaskan pipeline,  caribout live underneath the pipes for the warmth and calve under them.  I saw a black bear sleeping on top of a warm pipe.  They just adapt.   The environmental groups do give bugus science and try to support it with supposed experts that never leave the desk.

Remember the story about the lion that saw the ant working.  He decided to put hisself in charge of managing the ant.  He noticed the ant worked early, very hard and put in long days carrying seeds to his abode. The lion decided if he had a manager he could produce better of course the lion got to share some of the seeds.  Then the lion decided to hire an office person so hired a cadus fly to do office management and keep track of the ants time and seeds.   The cadus fly needed computers to keep the data so bought computers with sees he sold from the ants cache.  Then the lion needed someone to do some charts and graphs so he could see how things were going since he took charge so hired a spider because spiders make lines and such.  The spider made some charts and they showed that the ant's production was going down because he was spending so much time filling out paperwork for the lion and also the seeds were being consumed by many more leaches instead of just the ant.  So the lion hired a wise old owl to decide what to do about the ant's faltering ways.  The owl said that he decided that there were just too many people working on the seeds that were produced.   So the lion fired the ant since he was the one that was getting disenchanced and producing less seeds.   
  This is typiccal of our govt. and the enviro. groups.

[sebek556]

villageidiot I think your name is very deceiving