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just some bow shooting advise please
« on: June 21, 2012, 11:52:29 AM »
Started shooting my bow more this year and frustrated. For some reason I never shoot constantly. One arrow will hit the middle target then the second will be far right and low then the third will be super low but still middle of target. This happens at thirty yards, twenty yards and even ten! I am trying hard to do the same anchor spot when drawing back. And I am also keeping close eye on not grabbing my bow when I shoot. . . .any other suggestions for why I may be so sporadically shooting? LOL it maybe that I just suck but here is to hoping I figure it out!

Any advise would be super helpful!
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 11:58:27 AM »
Sounds like maybe an arrow issue?  fletchings slightly different?

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 12:03:13 PM »
Arrow contact somewhere on your bow :dunno:

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 12:06:01 PM »
spray down a arrow in tanactin or some similar foot spray that will leave white residue on a arrow and shoot it. Then inspect the bow for the white residue to see if it is making contact.

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 12:38:45 PM »
Could also be target panick/punching? Is it always the same arrow that flys low or left? Try turning the nock 60 degrees on the bad arrows. If issue with you shoot close and.blind bail to get feel and form withought worrying about aiming.

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 02:14:27 PM »
Started shooting my bow more this year and frustrated. For some reason I never shoot constantly. One arrow will hit the middle target then the second will be far right and low then the third will be super low but still middle of target. This happens at thirty yards, twenty yards and even ten! I am trying hard to do the same anchor spot when drawing back. And I am also keeping close eye on not grabbing my bow when I shoot. . . .any other suggestions for why I may be so sporadically shooting? LOL it maybe that I just suck but here is to hoping I figure it out!

Any advise would be super helpful!

Without watching you shoot no one could diagnose you problem from what you have described.  Too much inconsistancy usually is an issue with the archer but there could be equipment issues too.  You should go to Spokane Valley or another shop you trust and have someone watch you shoot and also look over your equipment.  Good Luck
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 02:39:40 PM »
When I got into archery I actually filmed myself and posted the vids here.  A lot of the seasoned archers were able to help, and a few even met up with me at the local archery range to help out.   If I had not done that I would probaly still be lost :twocents:
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 02:47:59 PM »
you shooting with a release? how are you anchoring? too many variables and I agree to have someone watch you. Where are you located ?
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just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 02:52:09 PM »
Have someone take some pics of you shooting and post them up. Be glad to help you

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 02:54:22 PM »
So many different things it could be, number your arrows to see if its the same ones that fly bad, arrow contact with rest, wrong arrow, poor follow through, the list goes on. Can you get to a range or pro shop?

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 03:05:33 PM »
You could rule out the equipment by having someone else shoot the bow.  You could also number your arrows and make a note of which ones fly out, but unless you have some serious issues with your equipment, sorry but it's probably you.

What you describe actually sounds like inconsistent grip, but…

Consistent archery is all about form and just like new golfers, new archers suffer from the following:
  • You start off and your form is poor but you don’t know it’s poor so you learn to work around it.
  • In an attempt to take accuracy to the next level, you get some sort of advice (lessons?) on how to fix your form so you attempt to fix several things at once.
  • You begin thinking about it too much, while trying to keep pins on target, but now you can’t hit the broad side of a barn.
  • You go back to your old ways because they mostly worked for you.

The right way is to re-learn proper form and focus on what you need to do to shoot properly and ignore the target.  Work on form against a blank target (or the broad side of a barn). 

Start with a cord loop and your release and just get the feel for a proper surprise release.  The nice thing is that you can do this at work without alarming the natives.  Do this a couple thousand times in a couple weeks.

Work on your stance, grip and anchor point by shooting your bow at a blank paper target.  You’re worrying about form, not accuracy here, get some instruction on proper grip.  Your release should already be in muscle memory mode.  Also focus on good follow-through.  Shoot several hundred arrows this way from just a few yards out.

Now work on your sight – but still at a blank target.  Align your pin guard in your peep, then make sure your sight is level.  If you don’t have a level on your sight, get one.  Only when your pin guard is aligned and your bow is level do you begin your release routine.  Do this a few hundred more times.

Now add a target.  Use tiny dot stickers of 1” or less and shoot one arrow at each dot from 10 yards.  Do this a lot.  Try to touch the dots with the arrows.  Then move back in range.  Your groups will tighten.

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2012, 03:13:23 PM »
HF and Seth are giving you good advise.  :twocents:
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2012, 04:03:38 PM »
Pay for lessons!!! It will make a tremendous difference.
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2012, 04:06:57 PM »
Pay for lessons!!! It will make a tremendous difference.

Know anyone in Ellensburg area that would be interested??

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2012, 04:28:03 PM »
Sorry I don't, but I will say bob at "next step archery" in mountlake terrace will take your shooting to the next level. Imo totally worth the trip from the dry side.
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2012, 08:05:53 PM »
If i am not mistaken there is an archery club in Ellensburg... Might be through the university. I would start there, can't go wrong joining a club.  :twocents:
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2012, 07:16:08 PM »
So many different things it could be, number your arrows to see if its the same ones that fly bad, arrow contact with rest, wrong arrow, poor follow through, the list goes on. Can you get to a range or pro shop?

I think we are going up to the Chewelah archery shop. . . My brother in laws dad works up there maybe he could tell me if I suck! Haha! Thank you all for the advise!
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2012, 05:44:20 AM »
Not saying this is the absolute answer, but I run into this a lot when archers start practicing more and more without close instruction.  Even find myself doing it on occasion. 

#1 - If your arrows are good on the first shot and last shot, but fall lower and lower as you go it is usually a follow thru issue.  It comes from reaching for the next arrow before you have completed the entire shot sequence. Three things will help you over come this: A:shoot one arrow, retrieve and repeat. B: If shooting a bow quiver take it off and place it on the ground behind you and to the side of your bow arm. C: If shooting a hip/target quiver point the arrows behind you and on the side of your bow arm  These steps make it difficult to get the next arrow and ensure you slow down and complete the shot sequence completely.

#2 - If your arrows tend to gradually drop combined with a tendency to go right or left it is usually creep or better termed colapse.  This is what I usually do when I start shooting a lot, but get lazy with my discipline.  To remedy this I use a true tension or back tension release.  But, you can address it without a $120.00 purchase by simply using Randy Ulmers "Mantra" technique.  Come up with a shooting mantra that you aggressively repeat during each shooting sequence.  Paying special attention to the last few steps which should include back tension, release, follow through.  Say it with such conviction that it hurts the receptors in your mind!  My mantra has evolved to be simply, "I am Randy Ulmer!!!" :chuckle:  Sounds silly but it really does help.

You can always PM me if you are having troubles.  If we walk through your steps to shooting I can often find something even if I am unable to see you.  Or better yet I will give you my personal email address and you can send a video and we can go from there.

Good luck. Sorry I was late to respond. Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2012, 06:24:21 AM by RadSav »
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just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2012, 06:58:35 AM »
It could also be the timing of your cams. Take it into a dealer and see if your timing is tuned

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 12:03:53 PM »
I second the tips from HunterFisher. Take the target out of it for a while.

Follow through and punching my release have been culprits for myself in the past. Spending time feeling the draw to anchor, release and follow through without thought on the target seems to help my consistency.

I'll take time during practice to do this even when I'm shooting well.

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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2012, 07:30:23 PM »
Just to follow up on my post here! I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the great advise! I went the the archery shop up north from us, I had my brother in laws dad take a look at my bow and he couldnt see anything wrong with the actuall bow. . . so he had me take a couple shots so he could look at how i was shooting. . . come to find out my draw was way too long and I could never consitantly anchor, my release was to large for me which prevented me from getting my hand in a good anchor spot as well AND (lol) my peep was set WAY too low. So once we adjusted all of the following I went out and took a few shots at some 3D targets and I was nailing the buck at 20 Yards! I was super excited!  :IBCOOL:

I can now enjoy shooting with the hubby! Thank you again to everyone that gave advise. I am now working on trying to get my form down so that i will be able to make a good shot!
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 08:54:46 PM »
That's good news!  Now you can get to the important stuff...Having fun!
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Re: just some bow shooting advise please
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2012, 10:58:01 AM »
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shoot for the vitals to start or just rifle hunt

 


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