you cant even get to the gate over past elbe, i believe your talkn about the one up pleasant valley rd, well when it washed out and grew over they didnt clean it up, its been that way for a couple years now, unless they just cleaned it up wich i doubt.... they only have the vail side open, and the game check is at the "Y". but during the youth hunt, the game check is at the main gate, where they let you in at 6 a.m