Post by: raydog on July 20, 2013, 03:35:36 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on July 20, 2013, 04:01:18 PM
Post by: floatinghat on July 20, 2013, 04:24:34 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on July 20, 2013, 04:47:41 PM
When it is iffy they will watch hunter behavior.
Is this true? I have never heard if that.
Pretty hard to tell this early on, it's been hot and dry though so in sure it probably won't be open for the August 1 opener
Post by: fishcrazy on July 20, 2013, 04:55:06 PM
Kris
Post by: MADMAX on July 20, 2013, 06:55:42 PM
Wonder how they will handle the permits?
you must think they care
not
If they want to close it its closed and your done
Post by: dreamunelk on July 20, 2013, 07:32:57 PM
When it is iffy they will watch hunter behavior.
Is this true? I have never heard if that.
Pretty hard to tell this early on, it's been hot and dry though so in sure it probably won't be open for the August 1 opener
Yes, several of the timber companies will restrict to nonmortorized access only. If hunter decides to ignore this and drive anyways of sneak in on ORV's they will close it. I no for a fact we lost access to areas last year in areas that do not have gates but were red dotted and posted walk in only. Several Archers chose to ignore this so they just shut it down.
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on July 20, 2013, 11:04:23 PM
Post by: akirkland on July 23, 2013, 08:01:50 AM
Wonder how they will handle the permits?
you must think they care
not
If they want to close it its closed and your done
Sounds like you once had a Toutle tag :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on July 23, 2013, 08:31:14 AM
Post by: MADMAX on July 23, 2013, 02:46:30 PM
Wonder how they will handle the permits?
you must think they care
not
If they want to close it its closed and your done
Sounds like you once had a Toutle tag :chuckle:
I did and thank god I filled it day 2 cause they closed the woods day 3
I think eastern WA is where I plan to elk hunt now becaue its no worries about fire closures, locked gates and a lost early season plans.
:twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on July 23, 2013, 03:04:07 PM
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Post by: sirmissalot on July 23, 2013, 03:11:28 PM
Post by: buddy01 on July 23, 2013, 03:16:25 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 23, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
My backyard is 3000 line
Post by: Opportunist on July 23, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
Post by: Old Man Yager on July 23, 2013, 06:29:29 PM
Post by: zackmioli on July 23, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
Post by: floatinghat on July 23, 2013, 10:44:26 PM
Wonder how they will handle the permits?
you must think they care
not
If they want to close it its closed and your done
Don't care if they care but don't think thy do. I think the backlash if people eat permit soup will be good. My expectations are to fill my cow tag on DNR land.
Post by: alwaysontop on July 25, 2013, 08:42:07 PM
Post by: Alan K on July 25, 2013, 08:44:44 PM
Post by: 280ackley on July 25, 2013, 08:57:24 PM
Keep you eye on this plus humidity at or below 30%. Level 4 not getting in on any industrial tree farm. Level 3, most likely not getting in. Level 2 theres a chance eather way.
Post by: Tacbeav on August 08, 2013, 05:35:02 AM
Post by: dawn2dusk on August 08, 2013, 05:48:55 AM
Post by: pope on August 08, 2013, 06:16:04 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on August 08, 2013, 06:21:05 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on August 08, 2013, 06:31:18 AM
Post by: matt345 on August 08, 2013, 08:11:49 AM
Post by: furbearer365 on August 08, 2013, 08:19:28 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 08, 2013, 08:32:04 AM
Went out last night to check the spot I was going to go opening weekend and there it was, NO PUBLIC ACCESS DO TO HIGH FIRE DANGER. When they put it up, they post it in all of Weyco lands
Wrong
Vail. is still open as of today
Post by: furbearer365 on August 08, 2013, 08:38:21 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 08, 2013, 08:46:15 AM
Honestly there are signs up in certain areas that are more than 2 years old
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 08:49:39 AM
Were can we find out about the Weyco Area fire danger specific closures??
http://www.weyerhaeuser.com/Businesses/RecreationalAccess/Washington (http://www.weyerhaeuser.com/Businesses/RecreationalAccess/Washington)
Post by: akirkland on August 08, 2013, 09:31:20 AM
Post by: matt345 on August 08, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
Post by: furbearer365 on August 08, 2013, 04:00:00 PM
The signs are put up as a courtesy. There are phone numbers you can call to verify access.
Honestly there are signs up in certain areas that are more than 2 years old
In past years I have actually seen the signs before they update their hotline. Ive called to see if they were closed and it hadn't been updated for almost a month so I pack up and get to the gate and there they are, FIRE DANGER SIGNS. To be safe, I would pay attention to both signs and hotline. Would suck to get caught and have to play the ignorant card because you didn't check :twocents:
Post by: madmack76 on August 08, 2013, 04:04:47 PM
Post by: woodswalker on August 08, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 08, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
Post by: fireweed on August 08, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
State land is always open in the toutle and no fire has ever been started. Why not just have the land on the other side of the river walk in only?State land is open--BUT Weyco. will close the gate so you need to fly. They do it rarely now since they hear from irate people who demand easement to our public land every time they close it. When they close it this year, be sure to contact the DNR and demand easements to this public land since there aren't any.
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 08, 2013, 05:45:52 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 05:48:04 PM
State land is always open in the toutle and no fire has ever been started. Why not just have the land on the other side of the river walk in only?State land is open--BUT Weyco. will close the gate so you need to fly. They do it rarely now since they hear from irate people who demand easement to our public land every time they close it. When they close it this year, be sure to contact the DNR and demand easements to this public land since there aren't any.
Except the thousands upon thousands of acres of state land that isn't land locked...
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Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 08, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
Post by: furbearer365 on August 08, 2013, 06:09:34 PM
The state land blows up there anyway. All the hillbillies from Kelso head up there and screw sht up. Dump beer boxes out, and drive through clear cuts or thinned timber patche. We headed in to the woods up there well before first light, and these *censored*s are heading out.
:chuckle: You just previewed this whole area, not just the state land in the Toutle. Same can be applied to Ryderwood, Winston, and Coweeman.
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2013, 12:21:10 AM
State land is always open in the toutle and no fire has ever been started. Why not just have the land on the other side of the river walk in only?State land is open--BUT Weyco. will close the gate so you need to fly. They do it rarely now since they hear from irate people who demand easement to our public land every time they close it. When they close it this year, be sure to contact the DNR and demand easements to this public land since there aren't any.
Except the thousands upon thousands of acres of state land that isn't land locked...
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Not in the Toutle there isn't.
Post by: grundy53 on August 09, 2013, 06:25:49 AM
I understand it varies by area. Where I hunt there isn't any land locked state land...State land is always open in the toutle and no fire has ever been started. Why not just have the land on the other side of the river walk in only?State land is open--BUT Weyco. will close the gate so you need to fly. They do it rarely now since they hear from irate people who demand easement to our public land every time they close it. When they close it this year, be sure to contact the DNR and demand easements to this public land since there aren't any.
Except the thousands upon thousands of acres of state land that isn't land locked...
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Not in the Toutle there isn't.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on August 09, 2013, 07:37:04 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 09, 2013, 07:43:45 AM
The signs are put up as a courtesy. There are phone numbers you can call to verify access.
Honestly there are signs up in certain areas that are more than 2 years old
In past years I have actually seen the signs before they update their hotline. Ive called to see if they were closed and it hadn't been updated for almost a month so I pack up and get to the gate and there they are, FIRE DANGER SIGNS. To be safe, I would pay attention to both signs and hotline. Would suck to get caught and have to play the ignorant card because you didn't check :twocents:
You do know it's common for Weyco to leave those signs up all year? I have Weyco fire danger signs next to my house from two years ago.
Post by: buddy01 on August 09, 2013, 08:09:31 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2013, 08:21:15 AM
Come on washington RAIN :bash:
:yike: No! I'm not ready for rain yet. Mid-September will be fine with me.
Post by: Nice Racks on August 09, 2013, 08:22:21 AM
Post by: akirkland on August 09, 2013, 11:06:30 AM
Post by: akirkland on August 09, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
Post by: fireweed on August 09, 2013, 11:19:25 AM
Not in this county. Most DNR/WDFW land here is controlled by private timber. There's only a handful of acres of public land in the Toutle unit that isn't landlocked. I suppose you could backpack in from Kalama to the Toutle, or hire a helicopter...State land is always open in the toutle and no fire has ever been started. Why not just have the land on the other side of the river walk in only?State land is open--BUT Weyco. will close the gate so you need to fly. They do it rarely now since they hear from irate people who demand easement to our public land every time they close it. When they close it this year, be sure to contact the DNR and demand easements to this public land since there aren't any.
Except the thousands upon thousands of acres of state land that isn't land locked...
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PS Weyco. closed everything today
Quote from the Daily News today: "Weyco has closed its access corridors on the 1900 rd, which provides a route to the Green River hatchery (public), and the 4100 and 4200 rds, which provides access to state land between the north and south forks of the Toutle River".
The real issue isn't fire danger closures, but the fact that they could do this at any time, for any reason, and for any price. You pay Weyco. to get to our public lands. You pay them to fish our salmon and hunt our game. When are these 'public' agencies going to wake up and get legal access to our lands?
Post by: bowhunter74 on August 09, 2013, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: fireweed on August 09, 2013, 11:43:51 AM
Good chunk of State Land off of Rock Creek Rd in south part of Toutle Unit. No gates and decent amount of elk. Hunted it last year with cow tag when all the Weyco land was closed.
You're right, there are a few pieces in the south. (I'm north side biased living in Toutle) Maybe we need a list with each acre id'ed.
Post by: Rooster1981 on August 09, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Good chunk of State Land off of Rock Creek Rd in south part of Toutle Unit. No gates and decent amount of elk. Hunted it last year with cow tag when all the Weyco land was closed.
Thanks for the info, I have a cow tag this year and was planning on going down to the 4200 rd this sat-sun to scout with my kids. From what the Paper says the 4200 and all the land behind it is closed to motor vehicls.
Motorized and non-motorized public access to Weyerhaeuser Co.’s Mount St. Helens Tree Farm is now closed, including for hunters. Weyerhaeuser also closed its access corridors on the 1900 road, which provides a route to the Green River hatchery, and the 4100 and 4200 roads, which provides access to state land between the north and south forks of the Toutle River.
I'm going to check out rock creek tomorrow. :tup:
Post by: mpetersen on August 09, 2013, 12:42:22 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on August 09, 2013, 01:08:39 PM
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 09, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
Post by: raydog on August 09, 2013, 03:42:44 PM
Post by: Rooster1981 on August 09, 2013, 04:30:25 PM
You can still get into the state land up the 4200rd, but there is a gate on the 4100rd just after the split.
Really, :tup: I guess I should swing by and check it out. I have already scouted that area once. If its open thats where I wanted to hunt anyways.
Post by: zackmioli on August 09, 2013, 09:22:18 PM
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 09, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 09, 2013, 10:31:13 PM
You can still get into the state land up the 4200rd, but there is a gate on the 4100rd just after the split.
Not any more according to this:
http://tdn.com/news/local/extreme-fire-danger-closes-major-timberlands/article_51efcfa2-005d-11e3-82f7-0019bb2963f4.html (http://tdn.com/news/local/extreme-fire-danger-closes-major-timberlands/article_51efcfa2-005d-11e3-82f7-0019bb2963f4.html)
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 09, 2013, 11:41:50 PM
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 10, 2013, 04:37:58 AM
Post by: Rooster1981 on August 10, 2013, 06:24:29 PM
I just got back from a day of scouting on the 4200-5112-5600-4250. All the state land is wide open as of today.
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 10, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
that state land is always open. Just have to know what gates the are talking about on the hotlineYou can still get into the state land up the 4200rd, but there is a gate on the 4100rd just after the split.
Not any more according to this:
http://tdn.com/news/local/extreme-fire-danger-closes-major-timberlands/article_51efcfa2-005d-11e3-82f7-0019bb2963f4.html (http://tdn.com/news/local/extreme-fire-danger-closes-major-timberlands/article_51efcfa2-005d-11e3-82f7-0019bb2963f4.html)
Post by: bobcat on August 10, 2013, 06:38:43 PM
that state land is always open. Just have to know what gates the are talking about on the hotlineYou can still get into the state land up the 4200rd, but there is a gate on the 4100rd just after the split.
Not any more according to this:
http://tdn.com/news/local/extreme-fire-danger-closes-major-timberlands/article_51efcfa2-005d-11e3-82f7-0019bb2963f4.html (http://tdn.com/news/local/extreme-fire-danger-closes-major-timberlands/article_51efcfa2-005d-11e3-82f7-0019bb2963f4.html)
Not always. It wasn't in 2001 when I drew the Toutle archery bull permit. They had a guard at the gate on the 4100 (before the 4200 junction) to make sure nobody got around the gate or walked in. He told me to go hunt Ryderwood. :bash:
Post by: DARKTIMBER on August 10, 2013, 06:43:29 PM