Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 11:02:33 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on September 16, 2013, 11:08:32 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
Post by: returnofsid on September 16, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
The only difference is, my bugling SUCKED and my bugle was left in my backpack until I was sitting on a stump...lol
Then there's also the whole idea of using cow calls to call in a bear. This probably isn't the case, considering the visible bugle tubes, but my son swears that his cow calls, through a bugle tube, are more effective than without the tube...
Post by: rtspring on September 16, 2013, 11:10:20 AM
We carried the said above calls well before the season! Its called scouting..
By the way fish and game would be told to go to hell! Calling in elk is not against the law!
Rtspring
Post by: wastickslinger on September 16, 2013, 11:10:48 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on September 16, 2013, 11:11:07 AM
Post by: bonkellekter on September 16, 2013, 11:12:41 AM
guess I might be a would-be poacher according to your viewpoint :hello:
:yeah:
Often times I will hike into an area before the elk opener (looking for deer/Bear) and bring my bugle to try and locate a bull to hunt on the opener!!
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2013, 11:16:00 AM
Then you would be taking me to jail too!! Dont assume. Believe it or not there are good people too...
We carried the said above calls well before the season! Its called scouting..
By the way fish and game would be told to go to hell! Calling in elk is not against the law!
Rtspring
We all know you're headed to jail anyway, RT! :yike: :yike: :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: J/K
Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 11:16:18 AM
guess I might be a would-be poacher according to your viewpoint :hello:
:yeah:
Often times I will hike into an area before the elk opener (looking for deer/Bear) and bring my bugle to try and locate a bull to hunt on the opener!!
who doesn't? :chuckle:
Post by: rtspring on September 16, 2013, 11:17:28 AM
Then you would be taking me to jail too!! Dont assume. Believe it or not there are good people too...
We carried the said above calls well before the season! Its called scouting..
By the way fish and game would be told to go to hell! Calling in elk is not against the law!
Rtspring
We all know you're headed to jail anyway, RT! :yike: :yike: :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: J/K
Please contact, corey, karl, or chris they have my bail money!!!
Post by: returnofsid on September 16, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Post by: Ccortez on September 16, 2013, 11:18:57 AM
Then you would be taking me to jail too!! Dont assume. Believe it or not there are good people too...
We carried the said above calls well before the season! Its called scouting..
By the way fish and game would be told to go to hell! Calling in elk is not against the law!
Rtspring
We all know you're headed to jail anyway, RT! :yike: :yike: :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: J/K
Please contact, corey, karl, or chris they have my bail money!!!
didnt they spend it last night celebrating ;)
Post by: Timberstalker on September 16, 2013, 11:23:25 AM
Post by: MADMAX on September 16, 2013, 11:27:21 AM
go figure
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 16, 2013, 11:28:16 AM
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 11:28:48 AM
If you all don't agree, then I believe we need to have this conversion on what is legal/ moral. lets talk.
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
You are getting flamed, you are jumping to conclusions, you are ASSuming an aweful lot.
:dunno:maybe? maybe not?
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 11:32:14 AM
Post by: Hunterman on September 16, 2013, 11:32:29 AM
I guess I would be a would-be poacher because I carry a rifle with me a day or two before deer season opens. Good story for a wana-be inter-net cop.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: BUTTER on September 16, 2013, 11:34:05 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on September 16, 2013, 11:34:54 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
ya I love strawman arguments :chuckle:
Post by: rtspring on September 16, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
Good debate though
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 16, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
You would not get a ticket cause unless you release an arrow you have not broken any laws. You should apologize cause your wrong.
:yeah:
Only thing I can think of where something of this nature comes to play is spot lighting while in possession of a weapon
Post by: DoubleJ on September 16, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
This should be taken down it is not right I believe to post pictures of people you don't know and accuse them of poaching> I personaly have no idea who these two are and don't care. Many people have bugeled before and after season and they are not poachers just locating elk like you are with your camera maybe your poacher
x2
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 11:41:31 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 11:43:04 AM
This is the kind of stuff that occupies a big portion of WDFW Police time, responding to junk like this then when you get something 'real' they are off messing with this crap.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 16, 2013, 11:45:30 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
Was there a good chance they were poaching? Yes, I would say there is. But at that point you had no proof of anything and we are innocent until proven guilty. Posting a pic like that and saying what you did is an anti tactic. And we as sportsman CANNOT play those games against each other.
I would say the opposite, there is a very low chance they were poachers :tup:
Post by: Mike450r on September 16, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 16, 2013, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: Greenhorn on September 16, 2013, 12:02:34 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 16, 2013, 12:03:16 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Then you would be taking me to jail too!! Dont assume. Believe it or not there are good people too...
We carried the said above calls well before the season! Its called scouting..
By the way fish and game would be told to go to hell! Calling in elk is not against the law!
Rtspring
We all know you're headed to jail anyway, RT! :yike: :yike: :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: J/K
Please contact, corey, karl, or chris they have my bail money!!!
Lol! :chuckle:
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on September 16, 2013, 12:15:24 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 16, 2013, 12:19:23 PM
I was once told by a WDFW warden that the way the law reads hunting is considering in pursuit of a big game animal. He told me he could have ticketed me because I was doing a deer drive without a valid rifle deer tag. I archery hunt had already tagged out that year. He said technically he could write a ticket for scouting, taking pictures anything he wanted if you were doing it without a valid tag. I went out with my uncle later that year and took a rifle to try and see if I could see a bear or cougar because I still had those tags and was ticketed for hunting deer without a valid rifle tag because I didn't have a predator. It got throw out of court but that year the guy got game warden of the year for Washington state I think he wrote over 500 tickets that year. Allen Myers was his name
Sounds like the warden was a power hungry tool that got beat up a lot in high school. Honestly if he was going to write tickets for hunters who are scouting then he doesn't belong in the position he is in.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on September 16, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 16, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
I was once told by a WDFW warden that the way the law reads hunting is considering in pursuit of a big game animal. He told me he could have ticketed me because I was doing a deer drive without a valid rifle deer tag. I archery hunt had already tagged out that year. He said technically he could write a ticket for scouting, taking pictures anything he wanted if you were doing it without a valid tag. I went out with my uncle later that year and took a rifle to try and see if I could see a bear or cougar because I still had those tags and was ticketed for hunting deer without a valid rifle tag because I didn't have a predator. It got throw out of court but that year the guy got game warden of the year for Washington state I think he wrote over 500 tickets that year. Allen Myers was his name
Allen would be wrong. Taking photographs and bugling are protected, and in the the case of bugling, freedom of speech would apply.
http://content.photojojo.com/tips/legal-rights-of-photographers/ (http://content.photojojo.com/tips/legal-rights-of-photographers/)
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 16, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
He got ran out of Pend Oreille county his first year he is out of Clarkston now.
Oh the people of Pend Oreille.. Some of them can be quite frightening lol :chuckle: Is there a chance that he was also over in the Republic area? I remember hearing stories of the locals running a doozie of a warden out of there also!?!?!
Post by: brutus1 on September 16, 2013, 01:43:00 PM
Post by: MattySuto on September 16, 2013, 02:38:27 PM
Post by: Whitpirate on September 16, 2013, 02:55:22 PM
Then you would be taking me to jail too!! Dont assume. Believe it or not there are good people too...
We carried the said above calls well before the season! Its called scouting..
By the way fish and game would be told to go to hell! Calling in elk is not against the law!
Rtspring
We all know you're headed to jail anyway, RT! :yike: :yike: :yike: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: J/K
Please contact, corey, karl, or chris they have my bail money!!!
You know it brother. I'd get you out.... promptly in the truck we'd have a discussion on why and how.
Post by: hntrspud on September 16, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
He got ran out of Pend Oreille county his first year he is out of Clarkston now.
Really? Thanks for the tip, I got a second deer tag in the clarkston deer unit. Not that I have anything to hide, but having someone look for anything at all to get you on can be a pain.
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
Also why not just be cool about it like some of you did and say "actually I don't think it is illegal. Myself and most the hunters I know call for elk while hunting other things?" I'm instantly an ANTI!
so to evolve the debate (which clearly I am out numbered with :chuckle:) I called the dept of fish and wildlife and talked to a enforcement agent. TECHNICALLY they were not doing anything illegal if they had a valid tag in their pocket. BUT He said that it would have to depend on what was said in the interview of the hunters. If they had a bear tag or deer tag, they would be ok to carry the bows but they would have to articulate "very, very Well why they are carrying those bugles" he said that he only needs the preponderant of evidence (that's 50.1%) to write them a ticket/ arrest them. NOT innocent until proven guilty. He said most likely They were hunting probably for ELK and He would/ could have cited them for it if they met them walking out. He claimed it may not stick in court because thats where the innocence is presumed but walking with a weapon and calls for a season that is so close to opening would likely lead to him citing them. Most cases without a Killed animal is hard to prove in court.
He made an analogy that if I was hunting elk with my bow and I had it in my front seat, but I had a rifle in the back. I had a bear tag(any weapon) and an archery elk tag, He couldn't do anything. But he would warn me I need to decide if I am hunting Bear or elk because If I stepped out of the truck with both I would be nailed.
Point is, lay off me. My assumption of them hunting the day before the season seems to be inline with enforcement. It may be BS which I have no call to be wrong. But How I learned to hunt with a bow was that I could not do both. Like I said, scout or hunt.
so evolving this debate on the big *** I am for thinking what I did was so wrong. How about changing the debate to whether this is a stupid thing to enforce? It seems like everyone else is doing it. How can they enforce it? Does an animal always need to die before we can question it?
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 03:12:56 PM
stick with what you believe man... everyones entitled to there opinion... you can assume anything an everything you want... dont matter what anyone says....people will say what they want and "torch you" and make you feel like you dont know anything ...but it dont matter ....if you even had a clear picture of Big Foot they would still find away to talk you down.. I dont think you should have apologized... dont worry bout it man
Thanks for not calling me an ANTI, (or a democrat for that matter) :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2013, 03:21:41 PM
alright, First What I love is I'm castrated instantly to think a hunter carrying elk calls with a weapon the day before the season starts ISN'T poaching. to use an analogy that was already used on the post, NO you shouldn't be presumed to be a robber while carrying a side arm into a store (them with their bow), but You walk in with a ski mask and the side arm, people are going to start assuming your going to rob them (them with the bugle and the bow). Even though in court you wouldn't be proven guilty unless you did. But if a cop stopped you on the way in and arrested you, you would have some explaining to do. I'm so sorry my cameras didn't take the surveillance of them harvesting an animal that would satisfy everyone on here. Next time I'll try that, I'm not saying its RIGHT that they WERE HUNTING ELK but it was enough to make a person on a hunter forum with his peers assume they were. and use my free speech to say so.
Also why not just be cool about it like some of you did and say "actually I don't think it is illegal. Myself and most the hunters I know call for elk while hunting other things?" I'm instantly an ANTI!
so to evolve the debate (which clearly I am out numbered with :chuckle:) I called the dept of fish and wildlife and talked to a enforcement agent. TECHNICALLY they were not doing anything illegal if they had a valid tag in their pocket. BUT He said that it would have to depend on what was said in the interview of the hunters. If they had a bear tag or deer tag, they would be ok to carry the bows but they would have to articulate "very, very Well why they are carrying those bugles" he said that he only needs the preponderant of evidence (that's 50.1%) to write them a ticket/ arrest them. NOT innocent until proven guilty. He said most likely They were hunting probably for ELK and He would/ could have cited them for it if they met them walking out. He claimed it may not stick in court because thats where the innocence is presumed but walking with a weapon and calls for a season that is so close to opening would likely lead to him citing them. Most cases without a Killed animal is hard to prove in court.
He made an analogy that if I was hunting elk with my bow and I had it in my front seat, but I had a rifle in the back. I had a bear tag(any weapon) and an archery elk tag, He couldn't do anything. But he would warn me I need to decide if I am hunting Bear or elk because If I stepped out of the truck with both I would be nailed.
Point is, lay off me. My assumption of them hunting the day before the season seems to be inline with enforcement. It may be BS which I have no call to be wrong. But How I learned to hunt with a bow was that I could not do both. Like I said, scout or hunt.
so evolving this debate on the big *** I am for thinking what I did was so wrong. How about changing the debate to whether this is a stupid thing to enforce? It seems like everyone else is doing it. How can they enforce it? Does an animal always need to die before we can question it?
Castrated, really? You must have a very small set then. You'll probably want to put on your big boy pants the next time you create a whole story from a picture off one of your cams and post it in here. I suggest a couple small red potatoes stuffed correctly will give a better impression. :dunno:
Look, you are jumping to conclusions whether you like it or not, or want to admit it or not. You assume these guys are poaching but you really have no idea. They could be deer hunting and elk scouting, listening for responses. That's precisely why in a court of law they need actual proof, not conjecture about what they might be doing or want to do.
I don't have a problem with someone like you making a mistake. I do have a problem when someone like you can't admit that they've jumped the gun or might be wrong. The truth is you have no idea what those guys were doing unless you see them poach a bull. That's it and there's nothing else. You pulled the plug too soon and don't want to fess up to it. Don't be surprised when people call you out for it. I've done it, too.
Post by: returnofsid on September 16, 2013, 03:22:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2013, 03:34:31 PM
WDFW enforcement officers have a tough job for sure. I'm sure there's a whole lot of rules that are commonly violated, but in most cases nothing will ever come if it, because the would-be poachers are not successful. Or even if they are, what's the likely hood of there actually being a warden in the area to catch them?
Post by: coachcw on September 16, 2013, 03:36:21 PM
Post by: Buckmania on September 16, 2013, 03:39:27 PM
alright, First What I love is I'm castrated instantly to think a hunter carrying elk calls with a weapon the day before the season starts ISN'T poaching. to use an analogy that was already used on the post, NO you shouldn't be presumed to be a robber while carrying a side arm into a store (them with their bow), but You walk in with a ski mask and the side arm, people are going to start assuming your going to rob them (them with the bugle and the bow). Even though in court you wouldn't be proven guilty unless you did. But if a cop stopped you on the way in and arrested you, you would have some explaining to do. I'm so sorry my cameras didn't take the surveillance of them harvesting an animal that would satisfy everyone on here. Next time I'll try that, I'm not saying its RIGHT that they WERE HUNTING ELK but it was enough to make a person on a hunter forum with his peers assume they were. and use my free speech to say so.
Also why not just be cool about it like some of you did and say "actually I don't think it is illegal. Myself and most the hunters I know call for elk while hunting other things?" I'm instantly an ANTI!
so to evolve the debate (which clearly I am out numbered with :chuckle:) I called the dept of fish and wildlife and talked to a enforcement agent. TECHNICALLY they were not doing anything illegal if they had a valid tag in their pocket. BUT He said that it would have to depend on what was said in the interview of the hunters. If they had a bear tag or deer tag, they would be ok to carry the bows but they would have to articulate "very, very Well why they are carrying those bugles" he said that he only needs the preponderant of evidence (that's 50.1%) to write them a ticket/ arrest them. NOT innocent until proven guilty. He said most likely They were hunting probably for ELK and He would/ could have cited them for it if they met them walking out. He claimed it may not stick in court because thats where the innocence is presumed but walking with a weapon and calls for a season that is so close to opening would likely lead to him citing them. Most cases without a Killed animal is hard to prove in court.
He made an analogy that if I was hunting elk with my bow and I had it in my front seat, but I had a rifle in the back. I had a bear tag(any weapon) and an archery elk tag, He couldn't do anything. But he would warn me I need to decide if I am hunting Bear or elk because If I stepped out of the truck with both I would be nailed.
Point is, lay off me. My assumption of them hunting the day before the season seems to be inline with enforcement. It may be BS which I have no call to be wrong. But How I learned to hunt with a bow was that I could not do both. Like I said, scout or hunt.
so evolving this debate on the big *** I am for thinking what I did was so wrong. How about changing the debate to whether this is a stupid thing to enforce? It seems like everyone else is doing it. How can they enforce it? Does an animal always need to die before we can question it?
So if someone sees you out in the woods with a rifle when there isn't any season going on, we can safely assume you're out poaching and not target shooting?
You got "castrated instantly" because you plastered someone's face on the internet hoping to see them get lynched based on your own erroneous conclusions.
And here's another little tip, warden's interpretations of the laws are just that, interpretations (i.e. each one differs and each one sees things differently). In fact the warden you talked to, might cite those guys one day and not the next, given the exact same scenario, including whatever is said.
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 03:41:26 PM
Let's put it this way, If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologize , but You could also say If they weren't doing anything wrong then I might be saving them or someone else a ticket by bringing the subject up.
I don't have a problem with someone like you making a mistake. I do have a problem when someone like you can't admit that they've jumped the gun or might be wrong. The truth is you have no idea what those guys were doing unless you see them poach a bull. That's it and there's nothing else. You pulled the plug too soon and don't want to fess up to it. Don't be surprised when people call you out for it. I've done it, too.
Post by: whiteeyes on September 16, 2013, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 04:00:54 PM
If those guys did not have bear tags and/or archery deer tags, then I would think there's no doubt they'd be in trouble. Although, maybe they were grouse hunting? :)
WDFW enforcement officers have a tough job for sure. I'm sure there's a whole lot of rules that are commonly violated, but in most cases nothing will ever come if it, because the would-be poachers are not successful. Or even if they are, what's the likely hood of there actually being a warden in the area to catch them?
well said :hello:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2013, 04:03:45 PM
Trail cams should be outlawed, unless used on private property. Pretty sad you cant go for a walk down the street without being on camera, now its the same way in the hills.
And away we go!
Post by: returnofsid on September 16, 2013, 04:07:20 PM
Trail cams should be outlawed, unless used on private property. Pretty sad you cant go for a walk down the street without being on camera, now its the same way in the hills.
I'm a photographer so this idea is somewhat near and dear to my heart. In the public, including on top of a mountain in a National forest, a person has no, what the law refers to as "reasonable expectation of privacy." If you want an expectation of privacy, stay in your home and remember to keep your curtains drawn. If someone is standing on the public sidewalk and photographs you in your home, through your window, the photographer is in the right. As long as on public property, with very few exceptions (military bases, some airport properties, some bridges) anyone can photograph anything.
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 04:36:47 PM
your right they prob were picking mushrooms, although wait I didn't get that on camera...... maybe they were hunting chipmunks?
In law, it is always about interpretations. so....whats your point? Every supreme court decision is almost always 5-4 so even the highest court debating our oldest framework doesn't agree. I interpreted that you cannot be carrying a call for an animal that isn't in season along with a weapon used to kill such animal. YOU may have not interpreted that the same, and Im sorry but don't act like I'm crazy for being so black and white with it. I would expect people to think I was hunting elk with that same scenario. If you are ok with going through the court proceedings to prove you were not, fine. But I don't think its worth it and i'll call it like I see it.
Post by: blacktail luv on September 16, 2013, 04:55:47 PM
Stop apologizing smartazz, ill agree with you.
Post by: fastdam on September 16, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Trail cams should be outlawed, unless used on private property. Pretty sad you cant go for a walk down the street without being on camera, now its the same way in the hills.
I somewhat agree with you. But I dont see any problem with trailcams if they were clearly marked with a bright colored flag and the owners full name and contact information, as well as the date it was hung and the date its coming down. Kinda like some states manage bear baits. without that information, everyone of them is litter as far as i'm concerned.
Post by: brush hunter on September 16, 2013, 05:28:03 PM
Buck: I concede that I was wrong to assume they were attempting to poach based off just the picture: thus I apologized and removed the photo. But that doesn't change that I interpreted the law correctly. I may have jumped the gun on posting the pic but not on the assumption they were prob up to no good. Maybe, maybe not. I said I could be wrong. I presented the belief I had and many of you presented yours. what I can't believe is how many of you act like these guys couldn't have possibly been up to no good.I found if you post a picture of someone that you catch poaching on this site your going to you'll be chastised by a few members. I believe you understand that you have no hard evidence these guys were poaching, and should not have posted the picture. I found this out my self when I posted a picture of a man poaching clams, although my picture caught the poacher with evidence in hand.
your right they prob were picking mushrooms, although wait I didn't get that on camera...... maybe they were hunting chipmunks?
In law, it is always about interpretations. so....whats your point? Every supreme court decision is almost always 5-4 so even the highest court debating our oldest framework doesn't agree. I interpreted that you cannot be carrying a call for an animal that isn't in season along with a weapon used to kill such animal. YOU may have not interpreted that the same, and Im sorry but don't act like I'm crazy for being so black and white with it. I would expect people to think I was hunting elk with that same scenario. If you are ok with going through the court proceedings to prove you were not, fine. But I don't think its worth it and i'll call it like I see it.
I too took a lot of heat, most on here will stand with you , but there are a few on here that even if you have proof you should not post it here. Now we have to ask ourselves were these guys poaching, maybe but who knows.
Post by: brush hunter on September 16, 2013, 05:28:47 PM
Buck: I concede that I was wrong to assume they were attempting to poach based off just the picture: thus I apologized and removed the photo. But that doesn't change that I interpreted the law correctly. I may have jumped the gun on posting the pic but not on the assumption they were prob up to no good. Maybe, maybe not. I said I could be wrong. I presented the belief I had and many of you presented yours. what I can't believe is how many of you act like these guys couldn't have possibly been up to no good.
your right they prob were picking mushrooms, although wait I didn't get that on camera...... maybe they were hunting chipmunks?
In law, it is always about interpretations. so....whats your point? Every supreme court decision is almost always 5-4 so even the highest court debating our oldest framework doesn't agree. I interpreted that you cannot be carrying a call for an animal that isn't in season along with a weapon used to kill such animal. YOU may have not interpreted that the same, and Im sorry but don't act like I'm crazy for being so black and white with it. I would expect people to think I was hunting elk with that same scenario. If you are ok with going through the court proceedings to prove you were not, fine. But I don't think its worth it and i'll call it like I see it.
I found if you post a picture of someone that you catch poaching on this site your going to you'll be chastised by a few members. I believe you understand that you have no hard evidence these guys were poaching, and should not have posted the picture. I found this out myself when I posted a picture of a man poaching clams, although my picture caught the poacher with evidence in hand.
I too took a lot of heat, most on here will stand with you , but there are a few on here that even if you have proof you should not post it here. Now we have to ask ourselves were these guys poaching, maybe but who knows.
Post by: smartazz171 on September 16, 2013, 05:46:24 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 16, 2013, 06:20:06 PM
I almost never wade into these discussions but this one is too much to resist. I take a rifle when I scout for deer and call coyotes if I feel so inclined and often use a fawn distress call so am I also unethical and possibly poaching then too?
Post by: grundy53 on September 16, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
So if I go scouting for elk right before the season (when most people scout) and take a bugle to locate the elk (never leave home without diaphrams and tube) and I take my rifle because I'm in bear country and have a bear tag, I am unethical and possibly a poacher? All this time I never knew!!!!! Lock me up! I plead guilty!:yeah:
I almost never wade into these discussions but this one is too much to resist. I take a rifle when I scout for deer and call coyotes if I feel so inclined and often use a fawn distress call so am I also unethical and possibly poaching then too?
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Post by: turkeyfeather on September 16, 2013, 06:25:19 PM
Trail cams should be outlawed, unless used on private property. Pretty sad you cant go for a walk down the street without being on camera, now its the same way in the hills.Let's not go down this road again! :bash:
Post by: coachcw on September 16, 2013, 06:38:45 PM
Post by: grundy53 on September 16, 2013, 06:38:55 PM
Buck: I concede that I was wrong to assume they were attempting to poach based off just the picture: thus I apologized and removed the photo. But that doesn't change that I interpreted the law correctly. I may have jumped the gun on posting the pic but not on the assumption they were prob up to no good. Maybe, maybe not. I said I could be wrong. I presented the belief I had and many of you presented yours. what I can't believe is how many of you act like these guys couldn't have possibly been up to no good.
your right they prob were picking mushrooms, although wait I didn't get that on camera...... maybe they were hunting chipmunks?
In law, it is always about interpretations. so....whats your point? Every supreme court decision is almost always 5-4 so even the highest court debating our oldest framework doesn't agree. I interpreted that you cannot be carrying a call for an animal that isn't in season along with a weapon used to kill such animal. YOU may have not interpreted that the same, and Im sorry but don't act like I'm crazy for being so black and white with it. I would expect people to think I was hunting elk with that same scenario. If you are ok with going through the court proceedings to prove you were not, fine. But I don't think its worth it and i'll call it like I see it.
That's ridiculous. You think we shouldn't have a call for an animal that isn't in season? When I'm deer hunting I cow call to cover my movements. I use a deer call when predator hunting. My elk diaphragms also make turkey calls. Crow calls make Turkey's shock gobble. As far as the guys on your camera, could they have been upto no good? Yes. But I think the majority of folks on here are like me and would rather give someone the benefit of the doubt until there is more evidence.
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Post by: KFhunter on September 16, 2013, 08:14:20 PM
much ado about nothing
Post by: mtman on September 16, 2013, 08:19:53 PM
Post by: blacktail luv on September 16, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
Post by: teegansdad on September 16, 2013, 08:42:47 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 16, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 16, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
I have cow calls in my pack almost year round! I have packed my bugle tube on rifle bear hunts...am I hunting elk? nopeYeah but your a shady dude ! :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on September 16, 2013, 09:32:31 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 17, 2013, 10:24:07 AM
I would say the opposite, there is a very low chance they were poachers :tup:Quote from: link=topic=134340.msg1788768#msg1788768 date=1379357130
Which one of the guys in the picture is you KF? :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 17, 2013, 11:34:27 AM
Oh, that never even occurred to me. :chuckle:I would say the opposite, there is a very low chance they were poachers :tup:Quote from: link=topic=134340.msg1788768#msg1788768 date=1379357130
Which one of the guys in the picture is you KF? :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 17, 2013, 12:46:15 PM
Buck: I concede that I was wrong to assume they were attempting to poach based off just the picture: thus I apologized and removed the photo. But that doesn't change that I interpreted the law correctly. I may have jumped the gun on posting the pic but not on the assumption they were prob up to no good. Maybe, maybe not. I said I could be wrong. I presented the belief I had and many of you presented yours. what I can't believe is how many of you act like these guys couldn't have possibly been up to no good.
your right they prob were picking mushrooms, although wait I didn't get that on camera...... maybe they were hunting chipmunks?
In law, it is always about interpretations. so....whats your point? Every supreme court decision is almost always 5-4 so even the highest court debating our oldest framework doesn't agree. I interpreted that you cannot be carrying a call for an animal that isn't in season along with a weapon used to kill such animal. YOU may have not interpreted that the same, and Im sorry but don't act like I'm crazy for being so black and white with it. I would expect people to think I was hunting elk with that same scenario. If you are ok with going through the court proceedings to prove you were not, fine. But I don't think its worth it and i'll call it like I see it.
That's ridiculous. You think we shouldn't have a call for an animal that isn't in season? When I'm deer hunting I cow call to cover my movements. I use a deer call when predator hunting. My elk diaphragms also make turkey calls. Crow calls make Turkey's shock gobble. As far as the guys on your camera, could they have been upto no good? Yes. But I think the majority of folks on here are like me and would rather give someone the benefit of the doubt until there is more evidence.
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Poacher! :yike: :chuckle:
Post by: mholzngel on September 17, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
Post by: returnofsid on September 17, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 17, 2013, 04:54:30 PM
Post by: jasnt on September 17, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
guess I might be a would-be poacher according to your viewpoint :hello:
:yeah:
Often times I will hike into an area before the elk opener (looking for deer/Bear) and bring my bugle to try and locate a bull to hunt on the opener!!
:yeah:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 17, 2013, 05:04:20 PM
Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 17, 2013, 05:07:22 PM
My response to a warden would be deer is open right ? Well I have a deer tag in my pocket and I'm pre scouting for tomorrow's opener!!! Case closed .Having worked 15 hunting seasons alongside game wardens, most of them are pretty darned good at getting the truth out of people they contact. It ruffles the feathers of most honest hunters, but it does get poachers ticketed. The best wardens I've worked with have conviction rates in the high 90s-100%, they don't write tickets unless it will stand up in court. There are a few bad apples who hang paper on anyone they think may be guilty (that 50.1% preponderance previously stated). Based on my experiences working decoy operations, I believe about 40% of licensed hunters will opportunistically poach an animal, even if they didn't have any intent before an illegal animal was present.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 17, 2013, 05:08:58 PM
I would guess very few. Beings a gunshot in the woods during archery season would raise some curiosity.Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 17, 2013, 05:10:49 PM
Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
no thanks.. ive heard some sketchy situations where a bow doesn't cut it. Ill pack ny sidearm every time I go out archery hunting. When you can shoot twelve arrows in under 3 seconds ill consider ditching my pistol.
Post by: coachcw on September 17, 2013, 05:13:07 PM
bow hunters that carry side arms are afraid of things that go bump in the night ! with the exception of griz country . I would venture to say that most bow hunters are better with a bow than a pistol so why would they try to shoot with a side arm ?Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 17, 2013, 05:17:41 PM
I think there is some truth to this. I would be willing to bet at 30 yards I could hit a smaller target with my bow than my 9mm. But as 10th said I can't shoot enough arrows fast enough to stop a charging threat.bow hunters that carry side arms are afraid of things that go bump in the night ! with the exception of griz country . I would venture to say that most bow hunters are better with a bow than a pistol so why would they try to shoot with a side arm ?Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
Post by: KFhunter on September 17, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
My response to a warden would be deer is open right ? Well I have a deer tag in my pocket and I'm pre scouting for tomorrow's opener!!! Case closed .Having worked 15 hunting seasons alongside game wardens, most of them are pretty darned good at getting the truth out of people they contact. It ruffles the feathers of most honest hunters, but it does get poachers ticketed. The best wardens I've worked with have conviction rates in the high 90s-100%, they don't write tickets unless it will stand up in court. There are a few bad apples who hang paper on anyone they think may be guilty (that 50.1% preponderance previously stated). Based on my experiences working decoy operations, I believe about 40% of licensed hunters will opportunistically poach an animal, even if they didn't have any intent before an illegal animal was present.
40% of road hunters during daylight hours - real hunters are already in the woods gettin er done :tup:
All I'm saying is your 40% might be skewed due to the "wardens" knowing when and where to target to maximize results.
Post by: KFhunter on September 17, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
I would say the opposite, there is a very low chance they were poachers :tup:Quote from: link=topic=134340.msg1788768#msg1788768 date=1379357130
Which one of the guys in the picture is you KF? :chuckle:
heh - not me
Post by: KFhunter on September 17, 2013, 08:00:05 PM
bow hunters that carry side arms are afraid of things that go bump in the night ! with the exception of griz country . I would venture to say that most bow hunters are better with a bow than a pistol so why would they try to shoot with a side arm ?Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
I have to disagree with you two.
"bump in the night" comment was a bit condescending.
If archers aren't allowed to exercise their 2a rights just because they are bowhunting; I wonder what other activities one could come up with as well?
Post by: buckfvr on September 17, 2013, 08:14:09 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 17, 2013, 09:49:48 PM
Post by: deaner on September 17, 2013, 09:52:47 PM
An arrow in a charging bear isnt going to mean much....a 44mag to the head neck or chest is going to do way more
not to mention it takes a little longer to nock and fire an arrow than it does to draw and fire a gun. and if your arrow misses youre screwed, you can keep pulling the guns trigger. and who says you get enough warning to use your bow when being attacked? things happen FAST sometimes. the guy who says hell use his bow if an animal is attacking him is high.
Post by: coachcw on September 17, 2013, 10:35:20 PM
KF don't get wound up about the bump in the night dude , i'm cool with us having the right to carry , my point is you don't need one . I;ve spend countless hours in the woods both in the dark and light of day. the reality is a guy dosn't need a pistol inless he's in griz country / maybe we have so many wolve that wdfw demed it nessisary to pack.bow hunters that carry side arms are afraid of things that go bump in the night ! with the exception of griz country . I would venture to say that most bow hunters are better with a bow than a pistol so why would they try to shoot with a side arm ?Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
I have to disagree with you two.
"bump in the night" comment was a bit condescending.
If archers aren't allowed to exercise their 2a rights just because they are bowhunting; I wonder what other activities one could come up with as well?
Post by: hunter360 on September 18, 2013, 06:24:15 AM
KF don't get wound up about the bump in the night dude , i'm cool with us having the right to carry , my point is you don't need one . I;ve spend countless hours in the woods both in the dark and light of day. the reality is a guy dosn't need a pistol inless he's in griz country / maybe we have so many wolve that wdfw demed it nessisary to pack.bow hunters that carry side arms are afraid of things that go bump in the night ! with the exception of griz country . I would venture to say that most bow hunters are better with a bow than a pistol so why would they try to shoot with a side arm ?Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
I have to disagree with you two.
"bump in the night" comment was a bit condescending.
If archers aren't allowed to exercise their 2a rights just because they are bowhunting; I wonder what other activities one could come up with as well?
Tell that to my buddy that got attacked by a cougar that snuck up on him. It shouldn't even be a debate if you are able to carry a sidearm or not. If you choose to be robin hood when something happens to come after you, then good luck but i'm taking my pistol anyday over your bows and arrows :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on September 18, 2013, 06:49:17 AM
Post by: rtspring on September 18, 2013, 07:21:18 AM
But I would of let the bear get a bite of coach before I put one in him :chuckle:
I think it comes down to ones personal thoughts and how confident he is in the woods. Sure the chance of attack is minimal, but no bow can replace the thump of a pistol...
I love bumps in the night, come on in!!!
Post by: coachcw on September 18, 2013, 07:31:28 AM
Post by: rtspring on September 18, 2013, 07:36:24 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 18, 2013, 07:37:28 AM
Post by: hunter360 on September 18, 2013, 07:42:50 AM
man your buddy must have had elk piss all over him . the chance of getting attacked by a cougar is less than being hit by lighting ! sorry for your pal though . Bobcat can you run the numbers on the chance of a archery hunter being attacked in the woods by a critter ? :chuckle:
Ha! I'm not sure how much elk piss he had on him but yeah he was sitting quietly in a place with a lot of ferns just hunkered down listening. At the last second he heard something over his right shoulder and turned to look just as the cat jumped on him. The cat ended up glancing off of him and basically took most of his ear and left some nice scars on his face. When the cat landed in front of him he was face to face with it. The cat lunged at him and he turned away as he half drew his bow (and without aiming) let the arrow go. Only by LUCK did the arrow hit the cat and save his life. Crazy story I know, but true. It always sticks in my head when i'm out in the woods.
Post by: coachcw on September 18, 2013, 07:52:06 AM
I ran up hill twice as fast as you ran downhill.. Your inbox is full..Was that before you rolled down the hill ? :chuckle:
Post by: rtspring on September 18, 2013, 08:19:19 AM
I ran up hill twice as fast as you ran downhill.. Your inbox is full..Was that before you rolled down the hill ? :chuckle:
Damn you! It was an uncontrollable slip, stumble. Ok i fell !!!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 18, 2013, 08:59:37 AM
man your buddy must have had elk piss all over him . the chance of getting attacked by a cougar is less than being hit by lighting ! sorry for your pal though . Bobcat can you run the numbers on the chance of a archery hunter being attacked in the woods by a critter ? :chuckle:
Ha! I'm not sure how much elk piss he had on him but yeah he was sitting quietly in a place with a lot of ferns just hunkered down listening. At the last second he heard something over his right shoulder and turned to look just as the cat jumped on him. The cat ended up glancing off of him and basically took most of his ear and left some nice scars on his face. When the cat landed in front of him he was face to face with it. The cat lunged at him and he turned away as he half drew his bow (and without aiming) let the arrow go. Only by LUCK did the arrow hit the cat and save his life. Crazy story I know, but true. It always sticks in my head when i'm out in the woods.
Read a story in a hunting or other magazine about a cougar being taken by a buddy of an archery hunting duo, while the cougar was stalking up on his partner. It wasn't on the internet, so it must be true.
And raise your hand if you thought this thread was going to be a how to on poaching.
Post by: hunter360 on September 18, 2013, 09:52:01 AM
man your buddy must have had elk piss all over him . the chance of getting attacked by a cougar is less than being hit by lighting ! sorry for your pal though . Bobcat can you run the numbers on the chance of a archery hunter being attacked in the woods by a critter ? :chuckle:
Ha! I'm not sure how much elk piss he had on him but yeah he was sitting quietly in a place with a lot of ferns just hunkered down listening. At the last second he heard something over his right shoulder and turned to look just as the cat jumped on him. The cat ended up glancing off of him and basically took most of his ear and left some nice scars on his face. When the cat landed in front of him he was face to face with it. The cat lunged at him and he turned away as he half drew his bow (and without aiming) let the arrow go. Only by LUCK did the arrow hit the cat and save his life. Crazy story I know, but true. It always sticks in my head when i'm out in the woods.
Read a story in a hunting or other magazine about a cougar being taken by a buddy of an archery hunting duo, while the cougar was stalking up on his partner. It wasn't on the internet, so it must be true.
And raise your hand if you thought this thread was going to be a how to on poaching.
Good thing that guy had a hunting partner nearby :yike:
Post by: jasnt on September 18, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
Till the day(god forbid) you run in to a pack of wolves. You'll wish you had a side arm. I pack my pistol every time I enter the woods. I've been chased by moose,confronted by bears and a cougar. A simple warning shot is normally all it takes.Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 18, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
In another ill-conceived effort to thwart an attack, a misaimed 10 mm round impacted in the dirt next to the mouse. After we both sat there in stunned silence, he walked it off like it was nothing. After that, if I am expecting to be in the woods with these rabid beasts, I bring more gun than a 10 mm.
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 18, 2013, 10:48:43 AM
An arrow in a charging bear isnt going to mean much....a 44mag to the head neck or chest is going to do way more
not to mention it takes a little longer to nock and fire an arrow than it does to draw and fire a gun. and if your arrow misses youre screwed, you can keep pulling the guns trigger. and who says you get enough warning to use your bow when being attacked? things happen FAST sometimes. the guy who says hell use his bow if an animal is attacking him is high.
:yeah: I dare anyone to go on a bivy hunt in the wedge without a sidearm and feel good about that choice. Black bears, griz, wolves, cougars, and some of those people.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 18, 2013, 12:34:36 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 18, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
I was the same as you, never packed anything with me. When I was younger I lived in the woods, out by myself almost every day miles and miles from the truck at all hours - never gave it a second thought. Cougar and Bear were run by hound hunters and scared of humans, trappers worked the yotes over pretty good and deer, well the deer was 10x the current population. We didn't have a predator pit.
Most of the roads were open to vehicles. There was farms on a lot of the tillable land that now sits with young stands of timber or houses. Wolves were something in the history books. There was grizz, but they were so rare sightings was written off as a blonde black bear most likely.
Then one day I really needed a pistol - and didn't have one, what made it bad was I had kids with me who were wholly dependant on me to get them back safely.
Swore an oath under my breath to myself, to my kids and other people's kids that are with me........that I'll never be caught in that situation again.
Post by: Hunt4ever on September 18, 2013, 12:43:57 PM
I did not read everyone's post but unless I am wrong. Deer opened the first and who would not takeadvantage of locating some bulls for the next day. . Just my :twocents:
you dont need to read the other posts, you pretty much summed up how this whole post SHOULD have ended...
Post by: coachcw on September 18, 2013, 12:50:58 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 18, 2013, 12:58:55 PM
I have cow calls in my pack almost year round! I have packed my bugle tube on rifle bear hunts...am I hunting elk? nope
:yeah:
When I bear hunt before archery elk season, during archery elk season, and after archery elk season I have elk calls with me. And not once was I ever thinking about killing an elk.
Post by: KFhunter on September 18, 2013, 01:03:23 PM
kf hunter I hear you but 99% of guys don't need one . I had a griz take a six point bull from me while bow hunting, one of the craziest moments I've ever had in the woods , I guess I just found out the pecking order on that mountain , and really if I had a gun things coulda turned out worse for either him or I . plus if you hunt with rt he's scary enough to make bigfoot run :chuckle:
I'll agree the % is really low that you'd ever need it.
If you support the right to carry it we have no arguement :tup:
Now back to the topic....
What if I carry a foxpro with turkey sounds on it, and turkey decoys while cougar hunting (not during turkey season) and am using a 30-06 ?
Am I a would-be-poacher of turkey?
Post by: coachcw on September 18, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
Post by: grundy53 on September 19, 2013, 03:44:32 PM
KF don't get wound up about the bump in the night dude , i'm cool with us having the right to carry , my point is you don't need one . I;ve spend countless hours in the woods both in the dark and light of day. the reality is a guy dosn't need a pistol inless he's in griz country / maybe we have so many wolve that wdfw demed it nessisary to pack.bow hunters that carry side arms are afraid of things that go bump in the night ! with the exception of griz country . I would venture to say that most bow hunters are better with a bow than a pistol so why would they try to shoot with a side arm ?Again if an archer carries his side arm is he poaching just because he has a gun , the problem is our game laws are so confuted that you need to be a Philadelphia tax lawyer or Bobcat not to be doing some thing wrong . If you don't want to carry your bow or rifle while scouting then don't . just don't assume a guy is a poacher just because he doe's . Aren't we in America where we are inisent till proven guilty ? ask rt about that bs, plus he did shoot a bear last year while scouting for elk with labs07 so it doe's happen .The worst thing they ever did was allow a bowhunter to pack a side arm ...If I need to kill something that is attacking me I will use my bow ...that's why I bowhunt ...I do not need a side arm ...and if I was going to use it to poach I would be relying on my bow more than a pistol ...I wonder how many bowhunters do use their pistols to shoot at game :twocents:
I have to disagree with you two.
"bump in the night" comment was a bit condescending.
If archers aren't allowed to exercise their 2a rights just because they are bowhunting; I wonder what other activities one could come up with as well?
Yeah you don't need one... until you REALLY need one. I may never need one in my life. But IF I do need one I want one with me not sitting at home useless...
Post by: smartazz171 on September 19, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
Smart.....you dont need to appologize, but you should be embarrassed..........whats with some of you guys ?????????????
Thanks, I do. I'm definitely out of the loop, i guess :dunno:
Post by: MattySuto on September 20, 2013, 10:31:06 AM
if you dont have 5 yellow/red/blue blocks over your avatar youll never be in the loop...youll find that out quick!!Smart.....you dont need to appologize, but you should be embarrassed..........whats with some of you guys ?????????????
Thanks, I do. I'm definitely out of the loop, i guess :dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2013, 10:34:40 AM
if you dont have 5 yellow/red/blue blocks over your avatar youll never be in the loop...youll find that out quick!!Smart.....you dont need to appologize, but you should be embarrassed..........whats with some of you guys ?????????????
Thanks, I do. I'm definitely out of the loop, i guess :dunno:
ROFL - that made me :chuckle:
Post by: MattySuto on September 20, 2013, 10:40:41 AM
:tup:if you dont have 5 yellow/red/blue blocks over your avatar youll never be in the loop...youll find that out quick!!Smart.....you dont need to appologize, but you should be embarrassed..........whats with some of you guys ?????????????
Thanks, I do. I'm definitely out of the loop, i guess :dunno:
ROFL - that made me :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on September 20, 2013, 11:03:50 AM
Doesn't take five blocks to know when someone is wrong. It just takes a little thought and common sense....if you dont have 5 yellow/red/blue blocks over your avatar youll never be in the loop...youll find that out quick!!Smart.....you dont need to appologize, but you should be embarrassed..........whats with some of you guys ?????????????
Thanks, I do. I'm definitely out of the loop, i guess :dunno:
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Post by: MattySuto on September 20, 2013, 07:29:42 PM
My point exactly!!!!!Doesn't take five blocks to know when someone is wrong. It just takes a little thought and common sense....if you dont have 5 yellow/red/blue blocks over your avatar youll never be in the loop...youll find that out quick!!Smart.....you dont need to appologize, but you should be embarrassed..........whats with some of you guys ?????????????
Thanks, I do. I'm definitely out of the loop, i guess :dunno:
sent from my typewriter
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 20, 2013, 07:52:37 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on September 20, 2013, 09:24:08 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 11, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
An arrow in a charging bear isnt going to mean much....a 44mag to the head neck or chest is going to do way more+1. And what if its not a charging animal but multiple animals like a pack of wolves.
Post by: JCClement on October 11, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
When you post a picture of someone doing something, but have no real facts to back anything up and make an assumption, like they are poaching (which is a crime), if one of the people in the picture happens to have seen it, and chose to, they could go after you for libel and/or slander.
Just sayin. Probably were hunting. My :twocents:.
Think before you act, always.
FYI, I carry a .357 at all times archery hunting and even when fishing cause I am scared of things that go bump in the night..... :dunno: