Post by: sirmissalot on April 09, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
The biggest thing I tow is a fishing boat, probably 9,000lb's or so and its mostly just from Shelton to westport. Occasionally I make a trip up to Lapush or Neah bay but thats maybe twice a year. Other than that I have a small camp trailer, its light and my Toyota Tacoma can haul it, so not worried about that.
I really have been leaning towards getting a Dodge with a Cummins, but I'm thinking I really don't need the towing capacity of a Diesel pickup. I know a gas engine will do just fine for what I want, but I wanted a little feed back.
If I go gas it would either be a Chevy, or a Toyota Tundra. Does anyone on here have experience towing much with a Tundra?
Should I just go with a Cummins and not worry about it?
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 09:02:17 AM
A gas engine will do it but at what cost to the engine and transmition working it to max?
9000 pound boat is a big load!
Kinda like the folks you see towing a 22 foot camping trailer or 24 foot Bayliner with a Explorer.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
Post by: Bofire on April 09, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
I'll tell you a story that ought to get comments going.
Monday I helped a friend pick up his Tundra from a body shop, 5.7/long box, 4X4, four door truck 1999 with 55,000 miles, totally stock.
His rental was a 2014 Dodge 5.7 hemi, short box, 4X4 four door, about 9000 miles.
We got on 512 to take the dodge back to the rent place, he in the Toyota me in the Dodge. Lined up on the freeway and both punched it, up to about 85mph, That Toyota walked away from the Dodge so bad is was ugly. I bet he was 8-10 truck lengths ahead.
When I buy a new truck, I will look around but the Toyota looks really good to me!! I know nothing about diesels, never owned one, just they cost alot
Carl
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
I drive a chev, like the Tundras also. Like you I looked at diesel but really do not need one or the expense.
I'll tell you a story that ought to get comments going.
Monday I helped a friend pick up his Tundra from a body shop, 5.7/long box, 4X4, four door truck 1999 with 55,000 miles, totally stock.
His rental was a 2014 Dodge 5.7 hemi, short box, 4X4 four door, about 9000 miles.
We got on 512 to take the dodge back to the rent place, he in the Toyota me in the Dodge. Lined up on the freeway and both punched it, up to about 85mph, That Toyota walked away from the Dodge so bad is was ugly. I bet he was 8-10 truck lengths ahead.
When I buy a new truck, I will look around but the Toyota looks really good to me!!
Carl
What gear ratios were in each truck? Thats gonna matter a heap!
Post by: C-Money on April 09, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Post by: Skillet on April 09, 2014, 09:49:30 AM
Honestly, they are good motors (if left stock) under all of that garbage Ford put on it to meet emissions. If yours hasn't gone too far down the road of the ECT/EOT delta and has at least 47.5 volts out of the FICM at all times, your prob's are (probably) really easy to fix.
Just my experience with my 2006 6.0, anyway.
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
Ive owned plenty of trucks, fords mostly but the Tundra will out do any I have owned by a mile!!!!
Rtspring
Post by: Kittman on April 09, 2014, 10:34:05 AM
Why hit a big nail with a smallest rated hammer? The Tundra has 400 ft/lb of torque. Thats nothing compared to the Cummins and the like.
A gas engine will do it but at what cost to the engine and transmition working it to max?
9000 pound boat is a big load!
Kinda like the folks you see towing a 22 foot camping trailer or 24 foot Bayliner with a Explorer.
Agree. What about brakes extended mountain road grades, and stopping, heat dissipation, engine cooling, chassis durability, & what the tires are load rated at in #'s capacity? I personally would not select anything less than a vehicle that was really meant, I mean designed to haul & stop especially a 9000# load.
Post by: netcoyote on April 09, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
Like someone mentioned, a 9,000 lb load is a not a trivial thing. You probably want to be looking closer at a diesel solution. Be prepared for the extra cost of maintenance though. All that torque doesn't come free.
Post by: sirmissalot on April 09, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
Why hit a big nail with a smallest rated hammer? The Tundra has 400 ft/lb of torque. Thats nothing compared to the Cummins and the like.
A gas engine will do it but at what cost to the engine and transmition working it to max?
9000 pound boat is a big load!
Kinda like the folks you see towing a 22 foot camping trailer or 24 foot Bayliner with a Explorer.
I understand, but why buy a big hammer to pound big nails when most of the year you're driving finish nails?
The trailer has its own brakes, and the truck tires will have the same load rating as my F350 has, so that's irrelevant.
It would be one thing if I fished like I used to, towing the boat all over the coast from Neah Bay to Ilwaco, but I just don't anymore. Most of the summer it sits in a slip in Westport, and for the one or two trips up the coast I was thinking a gas engine would do just fine. My camp trailer weighs just 3,000lbs so like I said even my Tacoma can tow it over snoqualmie without an issue.
RTspring, have you towed anything with yours yet?
Post by: sirmissalot on April 09, 2014, 11:15:22 AM
Just weighing my options here, I appreciate the feedback from everyone.
Post by: coop2424 on April 09, 2014, 11:16:41 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 09, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 11:28:44 AM
Just got the 5.7 tundra a few months ago. It has a ton and I mean a ton of power! I also got into a little drag race with my boss and his cummins, same story It wasnt even close. Yes the diesel has more torque but the 5.7 will tos that boat with ease.. I was also on 35's while he was on stock tires.
Ive owned plenty of trucks, fords mostly but the Tundra will out do any I have owned by a mile!!!!
Rtspring
If your gonna but a truck for racing get a Hemi with .488's. Not a Tundra.
Put 10000 behind that Toy and the Dodge and race up the vantage hill and see where your Toy is then!
These drag race comparisons are completely irrelevant to towing. Lol
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 11:30:20 AM
Why hit a big nail with a smallest rated hammer? The Tundra has 400 ft/lb of torque. Thats nothing compared to the Cummins and the like.
A gas engine will do it but at what cost to the engine and transmition working it to max?
9000 pound boat is a big load!
Kinda like the folks you see towing a 22 foot camping trailer or 24 foot Bayliner with a Explorer.
I understand, but why buy a big hammer to pound big nails when most of the year you're driving finish nails?
The trailer has its own brakes, and the truck tires will have the same load rating as my F350 has, so that's irrelevant.
It would be one thing if I fished like I used to, towing the boat all over the coast from Neah Bay to Ilwaco, but I just don't anymore. Most of the summer it sits in a slip in Westport, and for the one or two trips up the coast I was thinking a gas engine would do just fine. My camp trailer weighs just 3,000lbs so like I said even my Tacoma can tow it over snoqualmie without an issue.
RTspring, have you towed anything with yours yet?
You already said you own a finish hammer. Why buy another?
Post by: WSU on April 09, 2014, 11:33:49 AM
Just got the 5.7 tundra a few months ago. It has a ton and I mean a ton of power! I also got into a little drag race with my boss and his cummins, same story It wasnt even close. Yes the diesel has more torque but the 5.7 will tos that boat with ease.. I was also on 35's while he was on stock tires.
Ive owned plenty of trucks, fords mostly but the Tundra will out do any I have owned by a mile!!!!
Rtspring
If your gonna but a truck for racing get a Hemi with .488's. Not a Tundra.
Put 10000 behind that Toy and the Dodge and race up the vantage hill and see where your Toy is then!
These drag race comparisons are completely irrelevant to towing. Lol
I guess it depends on if you want to use your truck like a truck or like a car?
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 11:39:22 AM
#2 choice is a very close second to the Dodge and it is a DODGE DIESEL.....
A 9000 lbs boat is a heavy load.....so I like the Dodge diesel for your towing options.
Any other questions??? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: sirmissalot on April 09, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
You already said you own a finish hammer. Why buy another?
That's part of what I'm hoping to do with something like a Tundra, eliminate having a $20,000 small truck I use everyday and a $60,000 truck I use occasionally. Insurance for two trucks isn't too bad with multi car discount but still, it would be nice to get rid of one. Obviously if money wasn't an issue I would have a couple trucks and a car but that's not really feasible at the moment.
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
Why hit a big nail with a smallest rated hammer? The Tundra has 400 ft/lb of torque. Thats nothing compared to the Cummins and the like.
A gas engine will do it but at what cost to the engine and transmition working it to max?
9000 pound boat is a big load!
Kinda like the folks you see towing a 22 foot camping trailer or 24 foot Bayliner with a Explorer.
I understand, but why buy a big hammer to pound big nails when most of the year you're driving finish nails?
The trailer has its own brakes, and the truck tires will have the same load rating as my F350 has, so that's irrelevant.
It would be one thing if I fished like I used to, towing the boat all over the coast from Neah Bay to Ilwaco, but I just don't anymore. Most of the summer it sits in a slip in Westport, and for the one or two trips up the coast I was thinking a gas engine would do just fine. My camp trailer weighs just 3,000lbs so like I said even my Tacoma can tow it over snoqualmie without an issue.
RTspring, have you towed anything with yours yet?
23 foot travel trailer loaded. Not sure of the weight but I ran up cabbage hill easily with that load.
I agree big diffrence in horsepower and Torque.. I would have no issue towing a boat at 9000 pounds. Sure a diesel would have more pulling power but the offset in maint for a diesel is a killer for me.
Post by: whacker1 on April 09, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
If you went Gas on the Ford 6.2 l, Chevy 6.0 or Dodge 5.7 you would probably be fine as long as it has the lower gears. Most of the new pickups 2011 and newer are coming with the heavy transmission 6 speed automatics with a low first gear anyway on the gas version as well as the Diesel.
But I think you would prefer the Diesel. Obviously there is a cost differential.
I would lean toward 3/4 ton and then it is just do you want to pay for the Diesel or not.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 09, 2014, 12:11:16 PM
Should I just go with a Cummins and not worry about it?
Yes!
It won't take very long after you purchase a gas powered truck to post a new thread titled "Why Did I Go Gas Powered".
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 12:12:32 PM
You already said you own a finish hammer. Why buy another?
That's part of what I'm hoping to do with something like a Tundra, eliminate having a $20,000 small truck I use everyday and a $60,000 truck I use occasionally. Insurance for two trucks isn't too bad with multi car discount but still, it would be nice to get rid of one. Obviously if money wasn't an issue I would have a couple trucks and a car but that's not really feasible at the moment.
It sounded like you were keeping the Tacoma. If it were me Id also opt for a 3/4 ton full size gas then. If you dont want to spend the extra on a Desiel.
Post by: Caseyd on April 09, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 12:46:16 PM
Diesel.
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Just buy the diesel and use it as your everyday car. My 06 dodge gets 18-22 mpg, which is not much better than most cars. The Diesel engine will last forever so why buy one and let it sit.....one of the worst things you can do to a diesel. One vehicle, one payment, one insurance and drive it till it blows up at about 500,000 miles. :tup:
Post by: sirmissalot on April 09, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Diesel.
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Just buy the diesel and use it as your everyday car. My 06 dodge gets 18-22 mpg, which is not much better than most cars. The Diesel engine will last forever so why buy one and let it sit.....one of the worst things you can do to a diesel. One vehicle, one payment, one insurance and drive it till it blows up at about 500,000 miles. :tup:
Thats exactly what I would prefer to do if I go the cummins route, but I hadn't heard of people getting fuel mileage that good with the newer motors.
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Diesel.
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Just buy the diesel and use it as your everyday car. My 06 dodge gets 18-22 mpg, which is not much better than most cars. The Diesel engine will last forever so why buy one and let it sit.....one of the worst things you can do to a diesel. One vehicle, one payment, one insurance and drive it till it blows up at about 500,000 miles. :tup:
Thats exactly what I would prefer to do if I go the cummins route, but I hadn't heard of people getting fuel mileage that good with the newer motors.
You don't have to buy new.... Another thought, If you can buy "Lifetime Lube Oil Filter" do it. I paid $500 for the LOF package and it has paid dividends. I got my $500 back in the first year and have owned my truck since 06...so I am thousands ahead.
Post by: Curly on April 09, 2014, 02:35:04 PM
Post by: C-Money on April 09, 2014, 02:41:02 PM
If the new Tundras catch your eye, talk to the dealer. See what they think about towing your boat. All I know is, our Tundra towed better than I ever thought it would. I tow with my F-350 V-10 now. If anyone questions the V-10s life longevity, ask a mechanic at a bus garage. They rack up crazy mileage on those motors and the V-10 has a VERY solid reputation. I've had diesels, they work great, but I was under mine a lot with tools. No where near the maintenance issues with my gas pick up.
If the OP wants to look at a gas pickup, there are options available to meet his needs.
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 02:46:28 PM
This kinda reminds me of the standard cartridge guys getting beat up by the magnum cartridge guys. Gas vs Diesel. :chuckle:
If the new Tundras catch your eye, talk to the dealer. See what they think about towing your boat. All I know is, our Tundra towed better than I ever thought it would. I tow with my F-350 V-10 now. If anyone questions the V-10s life longevity, as a mechanic at a bus garage. They rack up crazy mileage on those motors and the V-10 has a VERY solid reputation. I've had diesels, they work great, but I was under mine a lot with tools. No where near the maintenance issues with my gas pick up.
If the OP wants to look at a gas pickup, there are options available to meet his needs.
You must have owned a ford diesel... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I do agree the V10's are bullet proof. They just get horrible fuel economy.
Post by: sirmissalot on April 09, 2014, 02:51:14 PM
I did originally consider the f150 with ecoboost but tow capacity is similar to the tundra and I've got such a sour taste in my mouth from the last ford purchase I'd like to be done with them for good.
I'm not really leaning either way at this point. I would much rather get a cummins as far as power, longevity and fuel economy. But I like the size of the tundra better, less expensive right off the bat and less expensive (I'm assuming) in the long run as far as up keep, maintence, tires etc.
I think my next step is going to be going to the dealerships and pricing them out. A friend of mine bought a dodge cummins from Dave smith last year for about 40k out the door... That would be a pretty tough deal to beat.
Post by: Caseyd on April 09, 2014, 02:53:38 PM
Diesel.
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Just buy the diesel and use it as your everyday car. My 06 dodge gets 18-22 mpg, which is not much better than most cars. The Diesel engine will last forever so why buy one and let it sit.....one of the worst things you can do to a diesel. One vehicle, one payment, one insurance and drive it till it blows up at about 500,000 miles. :tup:
Thats exactly what I would prefer to do if I go the cummins route, but I hadn't heard of people getting fuel mileage that good with the newer motors.
Cousins 2010 gets around 22
Post by: Caseyd on April 09, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Diesel.
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Just buy the diesel and use it as your everyday car. My 06 dodge gets 18-22 mpg, which is not much better than most cars. The Diesel engine will last forever so why buy one and let it sit.....one of the worst things you can do to a diesel. One vehicle, one payment, one insurance and drive it till it blows up at about 500,000 miles. :tup:
I'm not saying let it sit there and deteriorate.
My commuter gets 32mpg, saves on maintenance costs (tires, oil changes, ball joints, fuel) that people complain about. Make that truck last longer
Post by: C-Money on April 09, 2014, 02:58:13 PM
This kinda reminds me of the standard cartridge guys getting beat up by the magnum cartridge guys. Gas vs Diesel. :chuckle:
If the new Tundras catch your eye, talk to the dealer. See what they think about towing your boat. All I know is, our Tundra towed better than I ever thought it would. I tow with my F-350 V-10 now. If anyone questions the V-10s life longevity, as a mechanic at a bus garage. They rack up crazy mileage on those motors and the V-10 has a VERY solid reputation. I've had diesels, they work great, but I was under mine a lot with tools. No where near the maintenance issues with my gas pick up.
If the OP wants to look at a gas pickup, there are options available to meet his needs.
You must have owned a ford diesel... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I do agree the V10's are bullet proof. They just get horrible fuel economy.
Yup, it was a Ford. I loved that pickup. Only reason I traded is no one would put in a new motor for me cause the truck its self was to old. Shops didn't want to be attached to it. :'( So...I traded.
I really like the Cummins, Brother in law has one, and its a beast. I catch a lot of crap from him about how much better his Cummins pulls, blah blah blah, but we seem to always get to where we are going at about the same time.
FF4607s family uses the Cummins/Dodge pickups on their farm, and they are very happy with them as well.
Post by: Ccortez on April 09, 2014, 03:14:32 PM
I talked to Toyota dealership and they told me the boat would be no problem, if I were planning on doing it on a weekly basis then a diesel pickup would be better but as often as I'm wanting to tow he thought it wouldn't be an issue. That was no surprise to me though, he's trying to sell Toyotas not dodges.
I did originally consider the f150 with ecoboost but tow capacity is similar to the tundra and I've got such a sour taste in my mouth from the last ford purchase I'd like to be done with them for good.
I'm not really leaning either way at this point. I would much rather get a cummins as far as power, longevity and fuel economy. But I like the size of the tundra better, less expensive right off the bat and less expensive (I'm assuming) in the long run as far as up keep, maintence, tires etc.
I think my next step is going to be going to the dealerships and pricing them out. A friend of mine bought a dodge cummins from Dave smith last year for about 40k out the door... That would be a pretty tough deal to beat.
Going to Dave smiths myself at the end of the year to get a dodge. I have a gas motor now and just would like to have a diesel so I'm not as hard on the motor from hauling trailers up and over the pass as much as i do,and I want something that will last a long time
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 09, 2014, 04:07:30 PM
I bought a new 2013 Duramax and is all I can tell you is, I wish I would of bought one a long time ago. Allison 6 spd tranny, 720 (?) foot pounds of torque and around 390 hp. I'm getting 15 + miles per gallon and it's getting better. I also pull an 8.5 foot loaded camper and an 18 foot ATV trailer with 2 quads on top of that. Tundra won't do that. GO DIESEL, no matter what brand it is....... :tup:
Post by: Bofire on April 09, 2014, 05:26:41 PM
Carl
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 09, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
Or if you are looking older get a 8.1L with the allison.
Post by: gasman on April 09, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
like said all ready, once you buy a gas truck for towing, you will wish you got a diesel :dunno:
If not a Cummings, the Duramax would be next in line :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: Mudman on April 09, 2014, 06:22:01 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
Go buy this and you will never regret it. Hands down the best ford motor ever build. This truck will go another 300K and never miss a beat. If I was in the market for another rig this one would be sold.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150478.msg1998304.html#msg1998304 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150478.msg1998304.html#msg1998304)
If it doesn't fit the bill go buy a cummins
Post by: HuntandFish on April 09, 2014, 06:59:06 PM
9k lbs is too much to tow with a tundra in my opinion, just cause the sticker says it will does not make it safe or good for your truck. Get whatever you want but know what you are getting and what it is designed to do so you are not disappointed.
Good luck!
H&F
Post by: Rick on April 09, 2014, 07:44:28 PM
Diesel.
Sell the Tacoma and sick liter, replace with new 3/4 ton and commuter car.
You'll be money ahead in the long run
Just buy the diesel and use it as your everyday car. My 06 dodge gets 18-22 mpg, which is not much better than most cars. The Diesel engine will last forever so why buy one and let it sit.....one of the worst things you can do to a diesel. One vehicle, one payment, one insurance and drive it till it blows up at about 500,000 miles. :tup:
Thats exactly what I would prefer to do if I go the cummins route, but I hadn't heard of people getting fuel mileage that good with the newer motors.
Cousins 2010 gets around 22
Not a chance it gets 22 stock. EGR and DPF delete with a tuner to trick the truck thinking that stuff is still there maybe.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on April 09, 2014, 07:47:12 PM
Post by: Rick on April 09, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Currently I've got a 2007 Ford F350 with a 6.0L thats been giving me fits while towing. I've spent too much money trying to get it running right and I'm ready to be done, trade it in and get something else.
The biggest thing I tow is a fishing boat, probably 9,000lb's or so and its mostly just from Shelton to westport. Occasionally I make a trip up to Lapush or Neah bay but thats maybe twice a year. Other than that I have a small camp trailer, its light and my Toyota Tacoma can haul it, so not worried about that.
I really have been leaning towards getting a Dodge with a Cummins, but I'm thinking I really don't need the towing capacity of a Diesel pickup. I know a gas engine will do just fine for what I want, but I wanted a little feed back.
If I go gas it would either be a Chevy, or a Toyota Tundra. Does anyone on here have experience towing much with a Tundra?
Should I just go with a Cummins and not worry about it?
I've seen your boat. Its probably heavier than my 26' Duckworth. The issue with a Tundra isn't the power. Its the 1/2 ton suspension.
If you want a gas truck,I'd get a 3/4 ton Ram with the 5.7 Hemi. Don't be afraid of the RPM and it'll tow your boat fine.
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 09, 2014, 08:10:32 PM
If your worried about maintenance cost of a diesel one thing to consider is the new diesels require oil changes only every 7-10k miles unlike gas engines. The other maintence costs are there but they are negligible...
9k lbs is too much to tow with a tundra in my opinion, just cause the sticker says it will does not make it safe or good for your truck. Get whatever you want but know what you are getting and what it is designed to do so you are not disappointed.
Good luck!
H&F
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 08:17:05 PM
If your worried about maintenance cost of a diesel one thing to consider is the new diesels require oil changes only every 7-10k miles unlike gas engines. The other maintence costs are there but they are negligible...
9k lbs is too much to tow with a tundra in my opinion, just cause the sticker says it will does not make it safe or good for your truck. Get whatever you want but know what you are getting and what it is designed to do so you are not disappointed.
Good luck!
H&F
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
When considering the cost of maintenance I think it is overlooked that the diesels will last 3-4 times as long as a gas truck. Yeah you pay more for an oil change and fuel filter, but you save in overall cost of the vehicle as you won't be replacing it as often. Include the payment of a new gas vehicle when you could just be maintaining an older diesel and I think it is pretty much a wash.
At least that is how I looked at it. I also have lifetime free LOF so the $100 every 4,000 miles doesn't apply to me. :chuckle:
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 09, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Post by: coachcw on April 09, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
What on Gods green earth are you driving that costs $100 every 4k miles to service?If your worried about maintenance cost of a diesel one thing to consider is the new diesels require oil changes only every 7-10k miles unlike gas engines. The other maintence costs are there but they are negligible...
9k lbs is too much to tow with a tundra in my opinion, just cause the sticker says it will does not make it safe or good for your truck. Get whatever you want but know what you are getting and what it is designed to do so you are not disappointed.
Good luck!
H&F
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
When considering the cost of maintenance I think it is overlooked that the diesels will last 3-4 times as long as a gas truck. Yeah you pay more for an oil change and fuel filter, but you save in overall cost of the vehicle as you won't be replacing it as often. Include the payment of a new gas vehicle when you could just be maintaining an older diesel and I think it is pretty much a wash.
At least that is how I looked at it. I also have lifetime free LOF so the $100 every 4,000 miles doesn't apply to me. :chuckle:
Post by: Rick on April 09, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.
The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.
8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.
The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.
Post by: Mudman on April 09, 2014, 08:39:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.
The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.
8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.
The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.
You're assuming the guy is servicing the truck himself and apparently not replacing oil filters. ??
You're also forgetting DEF every 5k or so. Throw in another $40 for that +/-
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 08:42:11 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
Post by: bear on April 09, 2014, 08:42:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2014, 08:50:27 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
Post by: demontang on April 09, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Breaks are a big part of towing ive lost trailer breaks on heavy loads and a half ton makes you pucker a little when some jack waggon slams on the breaks. :twocents:
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 09:06:49 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up. Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank. Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it. Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker.
They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load.
Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high.
Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..
Just my thoughts..
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 09, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up. Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank. Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it. Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker.
They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load.
Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high.
Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..
Just my thoughts..
Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.
Post by: Rick on April 09, 2014, 09:13:35 PM
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.
The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.
8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.
The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.
You're assuming the guy is servicing the truck himself and apparently not replacing oil filters. ??
You're also forgetting DEF every 5k or so. Throw in another $40 for that +/-
Oil filters aren't any more expensive for a Cummins than they are for a Tundra (or any other late model gas truck engine).
Assuming the Cummins is brand new and even uses DEF, DEF is cheap. $40+/- every 5000 miles is robbery.
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 09, 2014, 09:19:10 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 09:34:26 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up. Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank. Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it. Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker.
They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load.
Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high.
Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..
Just my thoughts..
Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.
Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!! O-75??? Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over. So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it. So back up your talk or shut up!! I have 400 hp bone stock. Just a hint. I know Im clueless..
Post by: ICEMAN on April 09, 2014, 09:48:35 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2014, 09:57:11 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up. Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank. Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it. Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker.
They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load.
Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high.
Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..
Just my thoughts..
Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.
Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!! O-75??? Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over. So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it. So back up your talk or shut up!! I have 400 hp bone stock. Just a hint. I know Im clueless..
Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless? Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??
Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.
The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.
8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.
The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.
You're assuming the guy is servicing the truck himself and apparently not replacing oil filters. ??
You're also forgetting DEF every 5k or so. Throw in another $40 for that +/-
Oil filters aren't any more expensive for a Cummins than they are for a Tundra (or any other late model gas truck engine).
Assuming the Cummins is brand new and even uses DEF, DEF is cheap. $40+/- every 5000 miles is robbery.
I'm not a Dodge guy anymore so I can't say which Dodge truck uses what. When a 6.7 power stroke gets used, it uses a tank(5gallons) in 5k miles. It ranges from $15-$20 for a 2.5 gallon jug. I know at this point I'm not going to change your opinion on anything, Rick. I do know with a Powerstroke, you're going to spend $30-40 every 5000 miles filling up your DEF.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 09, 2014, 10:01:22 PM
Just a hint. I know Im clueless..
Sorry RT, that made me laugh. :chuckle:
Post by: HuntandFish on April 09, 2014, 10:14:20 PM
Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up. Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank. Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it. Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker.
They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load.
Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high.
Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..
Just my thoughts..
Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.
Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!! O-75??? Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over. So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it. So back up your talk or shut up!! I have 400 hp bone stock. Just a hint. I know Im clueless..
Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless? Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??
Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...
You may want to consider, gearing of both rear end and transmission. As well as tranny cooling, drivetrain strength and suspension of a 1 ton truck before you make such foolish comments comparing a tundra to a 1 ton truck... You sound like my father-in law who also has a supercharged tundra... If you ask me it is much like a short mans complex, just buy a bigger truck and stop trying to make yours just as good or better... :hello:
Regards,
H&F
Post by: jrebel on April 09, 2014, 10:16:38 PM
What on Gods green earth are you driving that costs $100 every 4k miles to service?If your worried about maintenance cost of a diesel one thing to consider is the new diesels require oil changes only every 7-10k miles unlike gas engines. The other maintence costs are there but they are negligible...
9k lbs is too much to tow with a tundra in my opinion, just cause the sticker says it will does not make it safe or good for your truck. Get whatever you want but know what you are getting and what it is designed to do so you are not disappointed.
Good luck!
H&F
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
When considering the cost of maintenance I think it is overlooked that the diesels will last 3-4 times as long as a gas truck. Yeah you pay more for an oil change and fuel filter, but you save in overall cost of the vehicle as you won't be replacing it as often. Include the payment of a new gas vehicle when you could just be maintaining an older diesel and I think it is pretty much a wash.
At least that is how I looked at it. I also have lifetime free LOF so the $100 every 4,000 miles doesn't apply to me. :chuckle:
06 dodge diesel.....the dealer charges $95 dollars giver or take for my LOF. If I didn't have the lifetime oil changes I would have to pay that. I have the local dodge dealer do all my service. Everywhere else in town is in the same ballpark. Even though people say you can take these rigs to 10k per oil change, I have the ability to do it every 3k for free. I shoot for 4k give or take a little. Seems to be working as the engine is as strong as ever. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2014, 10:19:18 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 09, 2014, 10:26:28 PM
I gotta admit, I wouldn't tangle with a supercharged Tundra with my 775hp/1490tq Dodge straight up.Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel.
I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...
If you go diesel I would go dodge.
You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.
So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right? He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs.
For the price I would go gas.. Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..
No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.
At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up. Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank. Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it. Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker.
They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load.
Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high.
Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..
Just my thoughts..
Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.
Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!! O-75??? Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over. So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it. So back up your talk or shut up!! I have 400 hp bone stock. Just a hint. I know Im clueless..
Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless? Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??
Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...
You may want to consider, gearing of both rear end and transmission. As well as tranny cooling, drivetrain strength and suspension of a 1 ton truck before you make such foolish comments comparing a tundra to a 1 ton truck... You sound like my father-in law who also has a supercharged tundra... If you ask me it is much like a short mans complex, just buy a bigger truck and stop trying to make yours just as good or better... :hello:
Regards,
H&F
Hook that 9000 lbs to the back of each, and if I don't bust a driveline u-joint, he'll be watching the back of that trailer all day long.
But he needs to get the supercharger, install it and I'd have to spend the day putting my twin turbo kit and bigger injectors back in for me to get it back to the hp and tq numbers. :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on April 10, 2014, 07:20:59 AM
Post by: baker5150 on April 10, 2014, 08:23:38 AM
$50,000
17 hwy 13 city
381 HP 400 lb ft w/6 speed auto
10k towing capacity
2014 Ram Mega Cab Laramie
$57,000
17 hwy 12 city w/ 8 speed auto
370 HP 800 lb ft
17k towing capacity
I regularly tow a 9.5k travel trailer with my 06 Cummins. There is no way I would even think of hitching it to a Tundra, let alone pull it over a pass. This is a no brainer to me. I would gladly pay another 7k and have a bullet proof truck that can pull anything I can stick behind it.
IF it were me, I would by an 04 to 08 cummins. No emissions b.s. and bulletproof.
Post by: jackelope on April 10, 2014, 08:30:33 AM
IF it were me, I would by an 04 to 08 cummins. No emissions b.s. and bulletproof.
Mid model year '07 and all of the '08's were the absolute worst emissions system problem children. That's when all the emissions crap came out and when they were having major, major issues with all of the new stuff.
Absolutely steer clear of the '07's unless you find one with a 5.9L and all '08's if you want my input.
Post by: baker5150 on April 10, 2014, 08:42:10 AM
IF it were me, I would by an 04 to 08 cummins. No emissions b.s. and bulletproof.
Mid model year '07 and all of the '08's were the absolute worst emissions system problem children. That's when all the emissions crap came out and when they were having major, major issues with all of the new stuff.
Absolutely steer clear of the '07's unless you find one with a 5.9L and all '08's if you want my input.
That's the motor and body style I was referring to, I thought they made it until the end of 08 , but your right.
Post by: MHWASH on April 10, 2014, 09:41:07 AM
Diesels make sense for some and gas makes sense for some it all depends what your own situation is. It would have taken me 8 years to break even on buying a diesel when I bought my big block gasser. But if you drive your truck daily or you tow really big loads then a diesel is gonna save you money in the long run.
RT,
I'll take your bet. I have a 31' TH that I towed with a '09 GMC 3/4 6.0 gas. I now have a '13 Duramax that I tow the same TH with, and it is no comparison.
I used to get 13mpg empty, and 6 mpg towing. I now get 16mpg empty and 10mpg towing. I towed over the same hill using both rigs within two weeks. The 6.0 made it over doing 35mph @ 4500rpms. The Dirtymax got up and over at 65mph, and the rpms were less than 2500. The hill I'm referring in the grade coming out of Washtucna towards Othello.
The OP will have to make the decision on his own if he needs a diesel, but nobody can compare one to the other and have a accurate comparison.
Personally I would not buy a Dodge, the Cummins is great, but the Dodge part causes me concern. Gutpile has a '12 Ford with the 6.7, and its a great PU too.
Post by: Mudman on April 10, 2014, 05:05:24 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 10, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless? Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??
Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...
RT,
I'll take your bet. I have a 31' TH that I towed with a '09 GMC 3/4 6.0 gas. I now have a '13 Duramax that I tow the same TH with, and it is no comparison.
Sounds like a bet RT. :dunno:
PS You're going to lose RT. ;)
Post by: whacker1 on April 11, 2014, 07:10:11 AM
Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless? Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??
Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...RT,
I'll take your bet. I have a 31' TH that I towed with a '09 GMC 3/4 6.0 gas. I now have a '13 Duramax that I tow the same TH with, and it is no comparison.
Sounds like a bet RT. :dunno:
PS You're going to lose RT. ;)
Spokane raceway does Friday night fights, where you can pay a few bucks and run the 1/4 a few times. Might be a good place to record some times.
http://www.spokanecountyraceway.com/schedule.html (http://www.spokanecountyraceway.com/schedule.html)
Post by: bhawley76 on April 11, 2014, 07:35:21 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 11, 2014, 07:44:55 AM
Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless? Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??
Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...RT,
I'll take your bet. I have a 31' TH that I towed with a '09 GMC 3/4 6.0 gas. I now have a '13 Duramax that I tow the same TH with, and it is no comparison.
Sounds like a bet RT. :dunno:
PS You're going to lose RT. ;)
Spokane raceway does Friday night fights, where you can pay a few bucks and run the 1/4 a few times. Might be a good place to record some times.
http://www.spokanecountyraceway.com/schedule.html (http://www.spokanecountyraceway.com/schedule.html)
Run whatcha brung with a 9k# trailer on the back?
Post by: Woodchuck on April 11, 2014, 08:02:25 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 11, 2014, 08:07:33 AM
Post by: CAM38 on April 11, 2014, 08:22:09 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 11, 2014, 09:02:47 AM
In fact I will make arrangements to have a trailer loaded and you can swap the trucks and check time slips to avoid the trailer weight argument. If it's ok with the mods I will post our schedule.
If any mods say it's not ok, I will personally delete their profiles never to be seen again.
:yike:
Post by: Woodchuck on April 11, 2014, 09:07:56 AM
Let me know boys, I can make this happen :tup:
Post by: sirmissalot on April 11, 2014, 09:12:46 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on April 11, 2014, 09:51:17 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 11, 2014, 09:55:11 AM
Post by: Buckmark on April 11, 2014, 10:19:19 AM
Ok, manual or auto? I see benefits to both.Good question, i know years ago i bought a new truck and the manual had a lower tow rating than the auto...
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on April 11, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
Post by: rtspring on April 11, 2014, 10:33:59 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 11, 2014, 10:37:55 AM
Ok, manual or auto? I see benefits to both.Manual.
Neither of my Dodge auto's tow much of anything heavy very often. And one of them has trans upgrades, torque converter, valve body, flex plate an input shaft.
I leave the vast majority of towing for the manual - exclusively the camper and horse trailer, hay hauling, out-of-state hunting trips.
The torque rating reduction for a manual is almost negligible.
The Dodge 47re and 48re auto's are well documented to be less than stellar in the longevity department until you throw some upgrades at them.
Post by: Woodchuck on April 11, 2014, 10:47:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_BemiHFttA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_BemiHFttA)
Just let me know. 8)
Free camping on the infield. :)
Post by: Woodchuck on April 11, 2014, 10:52:53 AM
My bet was with Wildmanoutdoors!!!! I see he has a mouth but nothing to back it up...Get him over here, I can make sure you guys go heads up. I know a guy... :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on April 11, 2014, 10:56:14 AM
My bet was with Wildmanoutdoors!!!! I see he has a mouth but nothing to back it up...Now calling you clueless was uncalled for by wildmanoutdoors, but to be fair rt he never said his truck against yours.
he said: "Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race."
and it seems MHWASH put his truck to be the D and race you.....
So :dunno:
Post by: MHWASH on April 11, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 11, 2014, 05:25:33 PM
Thanks for the opportunity Woodchuck, but I will be towing my camper to the woods that weekend. So I guess I'll have to throw in the towel, and forfeit to RT.
RT wouldn't take your bet so you didn't forfeit.
My bet was with Wildmanoutdoors!!!! I see he has a mouth but nothing to back it up...
Post by: whacker1 on April 11, 2014, 07:05:15 PM
Post by: Rick on April 11, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
Ok, manual or auto? I see benefits to both.Good question, i know years ago i bought a new truck and the manual had a lower tow rating than the auto...
The Dodge manuals are still way behind in HP/Torque compared to the autos.
Post by: Rick on April 11, 2014, 08:42:30 PM
Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.
Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.
The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.
8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.
The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.
You're assuming the guy is servicing the truck himself and apparently not replacing oil filters. ??
You're also forgetting DEF every 5k or so. Throw in another $40 for that +/-
Oil filters aren't any more expensive for a Cummins than they are for a Tundra (or any other late model gas truck engine).
Assuming the Cummins is brand new and even uses DEF, DEF is cheap. $40+/- every 5000 miles is robbery.
I'm not a Dodge guy anymore so I can't say which Dodge truck uses what. When a 6.7 power stroke gets used, it uses a tank(5gallons) in 5k miles. It ranges from $15-$20 for a 2.5 gallon jug. I know at this point I'm not going to change your opinion on anything, Rick. I do know with a Powerstroke, you're going to spend $30-40 every 5000 miles filling up your DEF.
That's crazy. My Duramax uses DEF at the rate of about 2/10 of a cent per mile. I'm always towing something and at 24,000 miles I'm just now up to about $50 in DEF.
Post by: Curly on April 14, 2014, 12:35:50 PM
Quote
t's Official: 2014 Silverado and Sierra Deliver Most Power
New Chevrolet, GMC light duty pickups also deliver best towing capacity in class and strong fuel economy
DETROIT – The 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and High Country and the GMC Sierra and Sierra Denali 1500, available this fall, with a 6.2L V-8 produces an SAE-certified 420 horsepower (at 5600 rpm) and 460 lb-ft of torque (at 4100 rpm), the most power of any pickup engine and torque of any light duty pickup truck engine.
The 6.2L V-8 available for Silverado LTZ and High Country and Sierra SLT and Denali models also delivers class-leading maximum available trailering capacity of 12,000 pounds when properly equipped.
Along with power, now comes strong fuel economy as EPA estimates for the 6.2L V-8 EcoTec3 engine technology enable 2WD Sierra and Silverado models to achieve 15 mpg city and 14 mpg city for 4WD. EPA highway estimates are 21 mpg for 2WD versions, and 20 mpg for 4WD models.
"Power and towing capacity are fundamental capabilities for full-size pickups," said Jeff Luke, General Motors Executive Chief Engineer for full- and mid-size trucks. "The 2014 Silverado and Sierra deliver unmatched power and towing capability with a host of ingenious driver aids."
The optional Max Trailering Package is available on 2WD and 4WD V-8 crew cab and double cab models and includes:
-Trailering package with seven-pin and four-pin connector
-Enhanced cooling
-Automatic locking rear differential
-Heavy-duty 9.75-inch rear axle with 3.73 ratio
-Increased-capacity rear leaf springs
-Revised shock tuning for increased control
-Integrated trailer brake controller.
In addition to the 6.2L V8, Silverado 1500 and Sierra 1500 will offer a 4.3L V-6 SAE-certified at 285 horsepower and 305 lb-ft of torque and a 5.3L V-8 certified at 355 horsepower and 383 lb-ft of torque.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/02/gm-62l-ecotec-v8-21-mpg-epa/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/02/gm-62l-ecotec-v8-21-mpg-epa/)
Like you say, the boat trailer has brakes, so braking shouldn't be an issue. :dunno:
Post by: sirmissalot on April 15, 2014, 07:39:26 AM
Post by: FC on April 15, 2014, 08:51:54 AM
http://www.rodlandtoyota.com/everett-new-cars/detail/2014-Toyota-Tundra-4WD-Truck-Double-Cab-57L-V8-6-Spd-AT-SR5/1024/5TFUY5F18EX373101/SpecialPrice/Model_Tundra~ModelActual_~ExteriorColor_/4 (http://www.rodlandtoyota.com/everett-new-cars/detail/2014-Toyota-Tundra-4WD-Truck-Double-Cab-57L-V8-6-Spd-AT-SR5/1024/5TFUY5F18EX373101/SpecialPrice/Model_Tundra~ModelActual_~ExteriorColor_/4)
http://www.dodgechryslerjeepofmarysville.com/new-specials-cars/detail/New-2014-Ram-2500/1076/3C6UR5JL5EG107164/~/VehicleTypeID_~Model_2500~Trim_~ExteriorColor_/3 (http://www.dodgechryslerjeepofmarysville.com/new-specials-cars/detail/New-2014-Ram-2500/1076/3C6UR5JL5EG107164/~/VehicleTypeID_~Model_2500~Trim_~ExteriorColor_/3)
If the longbed isn't important you can shave a few thousand more off of the toyota too.
http://www.rodlandtoyota.com/everett-new-cars/detail/2014-Toyota-Tundra-4WD-Truck-Double-Cab-57L-V8-6-Spd-AT-SR5/1024/5TFUY5F16EX350139/SpecialPrice/Model_Tundra~ModelActual_~ExteriorColor_/19 (http://www.rodlandtoyota.com/everett-new-cars/detail/2014-Toyota-Tundra-4WD-Truck-Double-Cab-57L-V8-6-Spd-AT-SR5/1024/5TFUY5F16EX350139/SpecialPrice/Model_Tundra~ModelActual_~ExteriorColor_/19)
Post by: sirmissalot on April 15, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Post by: FC on April 15, 2014, 09:00:11 AM
I haven't built the tundra but most I'm seeing listed are closer to $50,000. I can get a dodge for anywhere from 40-50k (or more of course) depending on how fancy I want it
Did you look at prices on the trucks I linked? Not trying to be a jerk here but I want to make sure I never shop wherever it is that you have been lol!
Post by: et1702 on April 15, 2014, 09:49:50 AM
I haven't built the tundra but most I'm seeing listed are closer to $50,000. I can get a dodge for anywhere from 40-50k (or more of course) depending on how fancy I want it
I think others have said this before, but I'd get a 3rd Gen 2003 to 2006 Dodge 2500 diesel (i.e., 5.9L before all the emissions crap forced Dodge to go to 6.7L). Specifically, I'd get the six-speed manual w/the HO engine. I currently have a 2nd Gen 2001 Dodge Diesel 4x4 w/6-speed and HO engine, plus 90HP injectors, bigger turbo, cold air box, 4-inch exhaust, electronic brain box and 33" tires. This thing will tow anything and I get 20 to 22 mpg unloaded and 13 to 14 towing my 12,000lb 5th wheel. If you are going to be towing, don't buy a gas engine! Plus, I wouldn't spend $40K on anything. Save $20K and buy 2006 Dodge 6spd diesel! Or use the extra $20K and buy a 40+mpg commuter car too.
Good luck in your decision.
ET
Post by: jrebel on April 15, 2014, 08:54:12 PM
I haven't built the tundra but most I'm seeing listed are closer to $50,000. I can get a dodge for anywhere from 40-50k (or more of course) depending on how fancy I want it
I think others have said this before, but I'd get a 3rd Gen 2003 to 2006 Dodge 2500 diesel (i.e., 5.9L before all the emissions crap forced Dodge to go to 6.7L). Specifically, I'd get the six-speed manual w/the HO engine. I currently have a 2nd Gen 2001 Dodge Diesel 4x4 w/6-speed and HO engine, plus 90HP injectors, bigger turbo, cold air box, 4-inch exhaust, electronic brain box and 33" tires. This thing will tow anything and I get 20 to 22 mpg unloaded and 13 to 14 towing my 12,000lb 5th wheel. If you are going to be towing, don't buy a gas engine! Plus, I wouldn't spend $40K on anything. Save $20K and buy 2006 Dodge 6spd diesel! Or use the extra $20K and buy a 40+mpg commuter car too.
Good luck in your decision.
ET
:yeah: :yeah:
Well said!!
Post by: Rick on April 15, 2014, 09:27:30 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 15, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
The problem with the early 3rd gen manuals is the NV5600. They aren't made anymore and if anything happens to them,good luck finding any parts.Lots of hard parts for the 5600 are still very readily available Rick.
Allstate Gear, T&B Trans and Gear, Cobra Transmission are 3 that come to mind who carry anything you would need to rebuild a 5600.
Post by: sirmissalot on April 25, 2014, 12:46:06 PM
Thanks for all the input, I'll be putting the new truck to the test next week for a halibut opener on the coast.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 25, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Post by: Mudman on April 25, 2014, 09:07:28 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on April 30, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
I am absolutely pleased with this truck, nicer than I really needed but I will be happy with it for many years.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F05%2F01%2Fe4abedeb.jpg&hash=cd19f1cfad807130cf563a9720cbfae6d5d0ce82)(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F05%2F01%2Fja8anusu.jpg&hash=807b77acf01ff36edbe236dfc18005cb7d1f7dd2)
Post by: Ccortez on April 30, 2014, 01:08:32 PM