New truck towing capacity

[wildmanoutdoors]

Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel. 

I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...

If you go diesel I would go dodge.

You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.

So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right?  He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs. 

For the price I would go gas..  Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..

No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.

At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up.  Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank.  Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it.  Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker. 

They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load. 

Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high. 

Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..

Just my thoughts..

Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.

[Rick]

Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.

Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.

The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.

8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.

The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.

You're assuming the guy is servicing the truck himself and apparently not replacing oil filters. ??
You're also forgetting DEF every 5k or so. Throw in another $40 for that +/-

Oil filters aren't any more expensive for a Cummins than they are for a Tundra (or any other late model gas truck engine).

Assuming the Cummins is brand new and even uses DEF, DEF is cheap. $40+/- every 5000 miles is robbery.

[Buzz2401]

Diesels make sense for some and gas makes sense for some it all depends what your own situation is.  It would have taken me 8 years to break even on buying a diesel when I bought my big block gasser.  But if you drive your truck daily or you tow really big loads then a diesel is gonna save you money in the long run.

[rtspring]

Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel. 

I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...

If you go diesel I would go dodge.

You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.

So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right?  He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs. 

For the price I would go gas..  Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..

No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.

At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up.  Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank.  Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it.  Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker. 

They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load. 

Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high. 

Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..

Just my thoughts..

Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.

Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!!  O-75???   Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over.  So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it.  So back up your talk or shut up!!  I have 400 hp bone stock.   Just a hint.  I know Im clueless..   

[ICEMAN]

Guys play nice or they get a timeout.

[rtspring]

Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel. 

I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...

If you go diesel I would go dodge.

You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.

So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right?  He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs. 

For the price I would go gas..  Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..

No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.

At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up.  Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank.  Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it.  Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker. 

They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load. 

Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high. 

Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..

Just my thoughts..

Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.

Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!!  O-75???   Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over.  So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it.  So back up your talk or shut up!!  I have 400 hp bone stock.   Just a hint.  I know Im clueless..

Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless?  Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??   

Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...   

[jackelope]

Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.

Maintenance between a gas and diesel truck is a wash.

The Tundra the OP is asking about holds 8qts of 0w-20 which is almost impossible to find in anything but synthetic.

8qts x $7 is $56 every 10,000 miles.

The Cummins he was asking about takes 12 qts of 15w-40. Rotella,Delo,or Mobil is about $13 a gallon. 3 gallons of oil every 10,000 is $39,add a $15 fuel filter every 10,000 and you're at $54.

You're assuming the guy is servicing the truck himself and apparently not replacing oil filters. ??
You're also forgetting DEF every 5k or so. Throw in another $40 for that +/-

Oil filters aren't any more expensive for a Cummins than they are for a Tundra (or any other late model gas truck engine).

Assuming the Cummins is brand new and even uses DEF, DEF is cheap. $40+/- every 5000 miles is robbery.

I'm not a Dodge guy anymore so I can't say which Dodge truck uses what. When a 6.7 power stroke gets used, it uses a tank(5gallons) in 5k miles. It ranges from $15-$20 for a 2.5 gallon jug. I know at this point I'm not going to change your opinion on anything, Rick. I do know with a Powerstroke, you're going to spend $30-40 every 5000 miles filling up your DEF.

[dontgetcrabs]

   Just a hint.  I know Im clueless..

Sorry RT, that made me laugh.   

[HuntandFish]

Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel. 

I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...

If you go diesel I would go dodge.

You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.

So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right?  He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs. 

For the price I would go gas..  Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..

No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.

At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up.  Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank.  Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it.  Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker. 

They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load. 

Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high. 

Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..

Just my thoughts..

Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.

Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!!  O-75???   Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over.  So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it.  So back up your talk or shut up!!  I have 400 hp bone stock.   Just a hint.  I know Im clueless..

Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless?  Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??   

Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...   

You may want to consider, gearing of both rear end and transmission. As well as tranny cooling, drivetrain strength and suspension of a 1 ton truck before you make such foolish comments comparing a tundra to a 1 ton truck... You sound like my father-in law who also has a supercharged tundra... If you ask me it is much like a short mans complex, just buy a bigger truck and stop trying to make yours just as good or better...

Regards,
H&F

[jrebel]

If your worried about maintenance cost of a diesel one thing to consider is the new diesels require oil changes only every 7-10k miles unlike gas engines. The other maintence costs are there but they are negligible...

9k lbs is too much to tow with a tundra in my opinion, just cause the sticker says it will does not make it safe or good for your truck. Get whatever you want but know what you are getting and what it is designed to do so you are not disappointed.

Good luck!
H&F

Gas engines are also 7500 mile or more oil changes with half the amount of oil and way less fuel filters. Diesels are easily twice the maintainence costs of a gas engine, that power comes at a substantial cost.

When considering the cost of maintenance I think it is overlooked that the diesels will last 3-4 times as long as a gas truck.  Yeah you pay more for an oil change and fuel filter, but you save in overall cost of the vehicle as you won't be replacing it as often.  Include the payment of a new gas vehicle when you could just be maintaining an older diesel and I think it is pretty much a wash. 

At least that is how I looked at it.  I also have lifetime free LOF so the $100 every 4,000 miles doesn't apply to me.   

What on Gods green earth are you driving that costs $100 every 4k miles to service?

06 dodge diesel.....the dealer charges $95 dollars giver or take for my LOF.   If I didn't have the lifetime oil changes I would have to pay that.  I have the local dodge dealer do all my service.  Everywhere else in town is in the same ballpark.  Even though people say you can take these rigs to 10k per oil change, I have the ability to do it every 3k for free.  I shoot for 4k give or take a little.  Seems to be working as the engine is as strong as ever. 

[jackelope]

With 9k pounds torque is waaayyyyy more important than horsepower. A diesel, especially a new one, will eat your truck for lunch, RT. They're making close to the same HP and probably nearly twice as much torque. I wont call anyone foolish, but that's my bet.

[6x6in6]

Tundra, then you won't have to listen to that dang rattling diesel. 

I am putting a supercharger in mine that will give any diesel out there a run for the money!! 5 grand power on demand...

If you go diesel I would go dodge.

You still have to be able to stop and/or be able to hold the load you're hauling. You may have the HP's to beat a diesel in a race, but you don't have the brakes or suspension to haul the load that diesel is going to haul. Who cares how fast a diesel truck is. That's not the point of one.

So you want everyone to spend 60K to be able to come to a stop??? You must be joking right?  He isn't hauling this thing across the country full time.. Trust me I drove every diesel made three months ago plus many gas rigs. 

For the price I would go gas..  Thats my whole point. I see a ton of my friends whose 1/2 ton stops just fine and it didn't cost them 60k..

No. I'm not joking. I've read a couple posts from you today about drag racing a diesel truck and supercharging your truck to give the diesels a run. I was mostly just saying.... You're comparing apples to oranges. They don't stop just fine with 9k pounds stuck to the rear end. 1/2 ton suspension doesn't do what 3/4 or 1 ton suspension does either. Your tundra can't do what a heavy duty diesel truck can.
ps I drive a 1/2 ton gas truck. I have no use for a big diesel.

At some point in the topic we were discussing power. Thats where the side by side racing came up.  Im not spending 60k so I can stop a little better and have stiffer spring that make it ride like a tank.  Again, there are thousands of 1/2 tons that get the job done. Would a diesel be better? Sure but cost wise I would argue all day long against it.  Unless you are pulling a trailer all day ever day you dont need a smoker. 

They have trailer brakes for stopping, and springs well I dont think for 9000 pounds he needs 3/4 ton or 1 ton springs to carry his load. 

Diesel, ride sucks! Bigger Maint Costs, price tag to high. 

Gas, all kinds of power, better ride, cost is way cheaper..

Just my thoughts..

Like I said before rt. Let's put 9000 pounds behind your little toy and the same behind a D and see you win a drag race. Your clueless in this dept. sorry. But you are.

Supercharged? I will take that bet any day of the week!!!  O-75???   Clueless? Ive driven every diesel out there!!! Many times over.  So get your diesel and I will bring the supercharged tundra and put your money where your big mouth is? Its not gonna be cheap either.. Im not one to be called clueeless and like it.  So back up your talk or shut up!!  I have 400 hp bone stock.   Just a hint.  I know Im clueless..

Do I hear a bet? Or you just gonna call me clueless?  Come on now its on a public forum for all to see??   

Before you bet, I would look up some numbers of a supercharged 5.7 ...   

You may want to consider, gearing of both rear end and transmission. As well as tranny cooling, drivetrain strength and suspension of a 1 ton truck before you make such foolish comments comparing a tundra to a 1 ton truck... You sound like my father-in law who also has a supercharged tundra... If you ask me it is much like a short mans complex, just buy a bigger truck and stop trying to make yours just as good or better...

Regards,
H&F

I gotta admit, I wouldn't tangle with a supercharged Tundra with my 775hp/1490tq Dodge straight up.
Hook that 9000 lbs to the back of each, and if I don't bust a driveline u-joint, he'll be watching the back of that trailer all day long.
But he needs to get the supercharger, install it and I'd have to spend the day putting my twin turbo kit and bigger injectors back in for me to get it back to the hp and tq numbers. 

[Curly]

2014 Toyota Tundra vs Ford F-150 vs Ram 1500 0-60…: http://youtu.be/A15hc9DtdQI

[baker5150]

2014 Toyota Tundra Platinum edition 
$50,000   
17 hwy 13 city
381 HP 400 lb ft w/6 speed auto
10k towing capacity

2014 Ram Mega Cab Laramie
$57,000
17 hwy 12 city w/ 8 speed auto
370 HP 800 lb ft
17k towing capacity

I regularly tow a 9.5k travel trailer with my 06 Cummins.  There is no way I would even think of hitching it to a Tundra, let alone pull it over a pass.  This is a no brainer to me.  I would gladly pay another 7k and have a bullet proof truck that can pull anything I can stick behind it.

IF it were me, I would by an 04 to 08 cummins.  No emissions b.s.  and bulletproof. 

[jackelope]

IF it were me, I would by an 04 to 08 cummins.  No emissions b.s.  and bulletproof.

Mid model year '07 and all of the '08's were the absolute worst emissions system problem children. That's when all the emissions crap came out and when they were having major, major issues with all of the new stuff.
Absolutely steer clear of the '07's unless you find one with a 5.9L and all '08's if you want my input.