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Post by: pianoman9701 on November 02, 2015, 11:09:42 AM
Pretty sure it's an out of state high fence bull. I've seen it on Facebook a few times.
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I heard that, as well. I didn't really care, though. It's a huge bull regardless of from where it came.
Post by: westsidehntr on November 02, 2015, 11:20:09 AM
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Post by: Widgeondeke on November 02, 2015, 11:30:41 AM
I WANT THAT SHOP :drool:
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Post by: PlateauNDN on November 02, 2015, 11:49:31 AM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=752711444858871&id=100003600678605&set=a.154004521396236.32483.100003600678605
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 02, 2015, 12:28:25 PM
Something about that picture looks out of proportion.
This one looks more normal. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=752851608178188&id=100003600678605&set=a.154004521396236.32483.100003600678605&refid=13
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 02, 2015, 12:28:58 PM
Not impressed at all, I wouldn't go on her facebook page and say anything negative, but high fenced hunting does zero for me. Now if your disabled or have a good reason for it, more power to ya. Just not for me.I agree. Maybe not for me but who knows her situation? :dunno:
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Post by: Rainier10 on November 02, 2015, 12:47:39 PM
You know, I'm getting older. I have a bad hip. I've only ever shot a cow with my bow. My hunting partner couldn't go this year and then, had a stroke which will probably end his hunting, as well as his career. I think if I had the money to do that I might (probably not, but maybe). I sure can understand how someone might do it though. We should support it whether we'd do it or not. That woman's happy. It's legal and sustainable. Perhaps it doesn't qualify for any record book, but I bet she doesn't care.:yeah:
Not for me right now but maybe in the future. If I don't draw something in the next 10 years something like this is going to be looking better and better.
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 02, 2015, 02:33:48 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on November 02, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Funny there are no pics of it on their website in the 2015 hunting gallery.
Something about that picture looks out of proportion.
This one looks more normal. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=752851608178188&id=100003600678605&set=a.154004521396236.32483.100003600678605&refid=13
Its in their 2015 photo gallery a few times, as are several of the pics. She is standing next to it with a blonde lady. It also shows in their pictures of live bulls several times. Looks to have been the biggest on in the ranch this year by the pics.
Post by: JM on November 02, 2015, 03:32:42 PM
I'd rather hike a hundred miles and eat tag stew than pay 1 penny for someone else to say they got me something. It's like others said earlier " it's not my place to judge others as long as they don't claim fair chase"
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 02, 2015, 03:33:52 PM
Anyone know anything about this bull?
Looks like he's dead :twocents:
Post by: Stein on November 02, 2015, 03:36:13 PM
For the same amount of money, I bet I could book 3-4 very high quality guided trips fair chase. I looked at a few ranches once, most have pictures of the real big guys with prices. I remember $40k for something about that size. You pick the bull, send in your check and they drive you up to it.
Post by: bullfisher on November 02, 2015, 07:32:38 PM
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
Post by: JM on November 02, 2015, 08:25:39 PM
I've got a family member that just came back from a successful New Mexico high fence hunt. 10 days on horse back and they never saw a fence.
I've personally hunted Texas high fence blocks that were 1000 acres of low fence blocked together with 9 other units, all together 10,000 acres. I venture none of you hunt that much ground in Washington on a fair chase hunt. You might be sitting in a million acre forest but that doesn't mean you are hunting it.
Good on this gal, nice bull.
I may not be able to walk a million acres but the deer and elk that I hunt sure can.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 02, 2015, 11:57:17 PM
Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.
The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
Post by: notellumcreek on November 03, 2015, 05:32:26 AM
Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.
:yeah: Well said!
I haven't gone to see if she is claiming she "hunted" this animal or not, but I hope there was a good reason and that her only choice to actually shoot an animal was to go to a high fence ranch. I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?
Post by: bullfisher on November 03, 2015, 06:14:29 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 03, 2015, 06:48:11 AM
Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.
:yeah: Well said!
I haven't gone to see if she is claiming she "hunted" this animal or not, but I hope there was a good reason and that her only choice to actually shoot an animal was to go to a high fence ranch. I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?
Her husband posted for her and he didn't claim it was fair chase he said exactly where they got it. And yes, it's the ones that try to claim public land that really get me.
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Post by: bobcat on November 03, 2015, 08:11:00 AM
I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?
I don't believe it's legal in any state to fence in elk. What we're talking about here is domestic elk that are purchased like cattle and then released into a high fenced area.
Deer and elk farming is not legal in Washington, period. It's also illegal in Wyoming and I believe Montana just recently made it illegal.
Post by: NumaJohn on November 03, 2015, 08:23:44 AM
Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.
The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
I agree, Sitka_Blacktail. Great post!
John
Post by: fastdam on November 03, 2015, 08:32:06 AM
Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.
The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
exactly. Its a great looking bull, but its not really something to brag about. The difference between a trophy earned for a great season of your favorite sport vs. A trophy bought at the goodwill.
Post by: grundy53 on November 03, 2015, 08:36:57 AM
need a good reason? how about that she's in Wisconsin, no elk hunting there, with all the bashing surprised nobody's yet said " if that was me I'd kick her a$$" :chuckle:She is from Oregon. She went to Wisconsin for the "hunt". Plenty of elk in Oregon.
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2015, 08:46:41 AM
Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.
The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
exactly. Its a great looking bull, but its not really something to brag about. The difference between a trophy earned for a great season of your favorite sport vs. A trophy bought at the goodwill.
Yup, It's like buying a set of cletes, a jockstrap, some "Stikum" and buying Lester Hayes' Super Bowl Ring at a pawn shop and acting like you are a world class football player.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 03, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Maybe for small ranches, but the big ones you wouldn't ever know the difference between that and the 'wild'. Unless you're hunting on a quality tag as the only gun in the woods, you're generally not one on one with the animals. Even getting a map or info from a forum is using someone else to give you advantage over the animal.Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.
The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
Maybe for small ranches, but the big ones you wouldn't ever know the difference between that and the 'wild'. Unless you're hunting on a quality tag as the only gun in the woods, you're generally not one on one with the animals. Even getting a map or info from a forum is using someone else to give you advantage over the animal.Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.
The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
I visited a "hunting ranch" in Texas a few years ago. It was 7,000 acres. The elk stood or laid around the roads most of the day and the ones that bothered going into the brush would come out when the breakfast/dinner bell (I mean the corn feeder) went off. They are conditioned like cattle to come to a certain spot at feeding time. They were also cordoned off in their own areas of the ranch, so even though it was 7,000 acres, the area where you "hunted" them was much smaller. One area had different sheep, one had African animals, one had exotic deer, most of the ranch had native whitetail deer which could have led to some real hunting except you were only allowed to go sit in a stand that overlooked a feeder. The only "hunting" on the ranch that felt like hunting was for the wild hogs that infested the area. The guides would get out and push brushy draws and the shooters would set up in a spot where they could get a shot when the pigs moved out. Oh, and did I Mention "high racking"? That involves trucks set up with platforms above the cab of the truck complete with throttle and steering controls for the "guide" seats for the "hunters" with gun racks and drink holders so clients can be driven around the ranch drinking their favorite hootch and blasting whatever suits their fancy. And they had a special "field" for the way above average whitetail bucks. When a 240" buck is $20,000 to shoot, I guarantee you will shoot a 240" buck. Doesn't matter how big the ranch is.
And this ranch is considered one of the elite hunting ranches in Texas. Many celebrities and celebrity "hunters" such as Jackie Bushman have shot animals on this ranch. And they feature their "hunts" on their television shows. What these "hunting" shows are is advertising for this big ranching business. And guys like Jackie Bushman get to act like they are serious professional hunters. We don't have it in Washington, so most don't know what a huge business it is in Texas and the midwest. Hunters here are vaguely aware of it but don't realize the scope of it.
Post by: Bob33 on November 03, 2015, 10:45:29 AM
Is the person who scouts his hunting area on Google Earth, reads hunting blogs about the area, drives his $50,000 truck to the trailhead where he unloads his $10,000 ATV and then uses his GPS to drive to the pre-assigned scouting spot that he already knew about from computer research, sets up with his 338 Lapua, $2000 rangefinder, aenemometer, uses his handheld computer that he transported in on his ATV and powers it with his 2000 watt Honda generator to estimate the drop and drift, then takes his 800 yard shot across the canyon – BUT IT’S NOT HIGH FENCED COUNTRY – does this make him more of a hunter?
Or can one only be a hunter if he wears a red plain Filson shirt, and lugs a lever action 30-30?
Post by: Rainier10 on November 03, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?:yeah:
I think this statement right here says it all.
I can pick holes in anyone's argument that they are a "real hunter" if playing devils advocate.
Post by: bobcat on November 03, 2015, 11:04:20 AM
Shooting a wild elk is "real" hunting as long as it is done during the hunting season and all laws are followed.
Post by: Bob33 on November 03, 2015, 11:08:34 AM
Post by: notellumcreek on November 03, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?
I don't believe it's legal in any state to fence in elk. What we're talking about here is domestic elk that are purchased like cattle and then released into a high fenced area.
Deer and elk farming is not legal in Washington, period. It's also illegal in Wyoming and I believe Montana just recently made it illegal.
Got it- thank you for the clarification! :tup:
Post by: fastdam on November 03, 2015, 11:54:46 AM
By my definition, shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. It could be referred to as harvesting, but it's certainly not hunting.
Shooting a wild elk is "real" hunting as long as it is done during the hunting season and all laws are followed.
I dont think you have to be a "legal" hunter to be considered a "hunter". People have hunted, and there have been hunter since before there were laws. An illegal hunter may be a criminal, but still a hunter.
Maybe a hunter could be defined as anyone who hunts????? I still dont think hunting and shooting are the same though.
Post by: Bob33 on November 03, 2015, 11:57:26 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2015, 12:05:33 PM
“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?
Is the person who scouts his hunting area on Google Earth, reads hunting blogs about the area, drives his $50,000 truck to the trailhead where he unloads his $10,000 ATV and then uses his GPS to drive to the pre-assigned scouting spot that he already knew about from computer research, sets up with his 338 Lapua, $2000 rangefinder, aenemometer, uses his handheld computer that he transported in on his ATV and powers it with his 2000 watt Honda generator to estimate the drop and drift, then takes his 800 yard shot across the canyon – BUT IT’S NOT HIGH FENCED COUNTRY – does this make him more of a hunter?
Or can one only be a hunter if he wears a red plain Filson shirt, and lugs a lever action 30-30?
Tell me Bob, is Caitlyn Jenner a "real" woman? Does getting surgery and taking hormones make her worthy of a woman of the year award?
Calling high fenced shooting, hunting, is the equivalent of calling Caitlyn Jenner a woman in my book. But that's just my opinion.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 03, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
Nothing productive is going to come from this anytime soon.
Post by: Bob33 on November 03, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
And you are certainly entitled to it, but I would caution against branding others with it. There are some high fence areas that are small, and some that are massive. The spectrum is huge. Finding an animal in a fenced area that encompasses tens of square miles can be far more challenging than finding one in someone's back yard that has been baited.“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?
Is the person who scouts his hunting area on Google Earth, reads hunting blogs about the area, drives his $50,000 truck to the trailhead where he unloads his $10,000 ATV and then uses his GPS to drive to the pre-assigned scouting spot that he already knew about from computer research, sets up with his 338 Lapua, $2000 rangefinder, aenemometer, uses his handheld computer that he transported in on his ATV and powers it with his 2000 watt Honda generator to estimate the drop and drift, then takes his 800 yard shot across the canyon – BUT IT’S NOT HIGH FENCED COUNTRY – does this make him more of a hunter?
Or can one only be a hunter if he wears a red plain Filson shirt, and lugs a lever action 30-30?
Tell me Bob, is Caitlyn Jenner a "real" woman? Does getting surgery and taking hormones make her worthy of a woman of the year award?
Calling high fenced shooting, hunting, is the equivalent of calling Caitlyn Jenner a woman in my book. But that's just my opinion.
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 03, 2015, 12:24:47 PM
“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?
Is the person who scouts his hunting area on Google Earth, reads hunting blogs about the area, drives his $50,000 truck to the trailhead where he unloads his $10,000 ATV and then uses his GPS to drive to the pre-assigned scouting spot that he already knew about from computer research, sets up with his 338 Lapua, $2000 rangefinder, aenemometer, uses his handheld computer that he transported in on his ATV and powers it with his 2000 watt Honda generator to estimate the drop and drift, then takes his 800 yard shot across the canyon – BUT IT’S NOT HIGH FENCED COUNTRY – does this make him more of a hunter?
Or can one only be a hunter if he wears a red plain Filson shirt, and lugs a lever action 30-30?
You must hunt with HW members? :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 03, 2015, 12:42:16 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 03, 2015, 12:45:42 PM
Putting someone down for a high fence hunt when you really know nothing about the person or the hunt is ignorant, IMO. We should support her, if only for the smile on her face.:yeah: X1,000
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 03, 2015, 01:25:02 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 03, 2015, 01:48:45 PM
I think the discussion at hand is not one of who constitutes a "hunter" but at what point does an individual earn your hunting respect?
I don't see alot of folks running down Lebrons accomplishments. Or Jordans. even so called haters cannot deny the prowess possesed and give respect where its due. IMO that's due in large part to the fact that the playing field cannot change. Sure individual players can cheat, (poachers) but no one gets to lower the basket because they were able to pay. You don't get a shorter field because your rich. Hunting as a sport is somewhat on its own in that regard. So it now becomes up to each individual to determine what field a peer must perform on to earn admiration.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 03, 2015, 02:02:02 PM
Post by: Shank on November 03, 2015, 02:21:09 PM
So they did a high fence cow elk hunt in another state. He told me all about it, he was guaranteed a elk, had a fabulous place to stay. Rode around in a modified jeep. And they had guys going around pushing the elk out of where they were bedded down. Needless to say he got an elk and the following year his wife got one. He was really happy about it, the whole experience.
While I don't believe in high fence hunts. It's not my life to live, and he was truly happy with what he got.....done legally!
So who are we to condemn somebody buy how they choose to live THEIR life and spend THEIR money.
Should we start condemning folks who go to Africa to hunt?....hell you cant even bring that meat home!
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Post by: pianoman9701 on November 03, 2015, 02:32:42 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2015, 07:35:59 PM
The problem is, if you call this hunting, then you are guilty by association of all that is wrong with the industry. Maybe you don't think so, but those who aren't hunters do. And they are the ones who will decide the fate of hunting.
Post by: Bob33 on November 03, 2015, 07:53:54 PM
Look, I've already said if somebody wants to shoot a conditioned farm raised animal and pay big bucks for it, that's their choice. I will never call it hunting though. Ive seen the underbelly of canned shooting. To me, being a hunter encompasses learning a variety of skills, from scouting, reading sign, learning animals' habits, taking care of your kill, stealth, shooting, spotting, and patience along with many sub skills such as calling, luring, camo, recognizing ambush points, scent control, and on and on. By spending money to bypass the need to learn these skills, you are cheating yourself in the long run. That in and of itself isn't what bothers me.Where does it state this was a conditioned, farm raised animal?
The problem is, if you call this hunting, then you are guilty by association of all that is wrong with the industry. Maybe you don't think so, but those who aren't hunters do. And they are the ones who will decide the fate of hunting.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 03, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 04, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
Post by: bobcat on November 04, 2015, 09:24:37 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 04, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
Shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. Pretty simple. And elk farming is bad for wild elk. I have no issue with the person who chooses to buy and shoot a domestic elk for the meat. what I do have a problem with is the fact that some states allow elk farms. All elk should be wild, period. If someone wants to raise animals for profit, they can raise cattle.Cattle are difficult for some people to digest. Elk is the best meat for humans--most similar in proteins and easily absorbed. Seems there are some valid reasons to farm them.
Post by: jackelope on November 04, 2015, 09:37:12 AM
So years ago we had a parts driver that was pushing retirement age. He loved hunting, and his wife and him would go out and hunt Deer. But they never went after elk due to the fact (in his words)"my wife and I can't manage getting an elk out in the field, then packing it back to the truck"
So they did a high fence cow elk hunt in another state. He told me all about it, he was guaranteed a elk, had a fabulous place to stay. Rode around in a modified jeep. And they had guys going around pushing the elk out of where they were bedded down. Needless to say he got an elk and the following year his wife got one. He was really happy about it, the whole experience.
While I don't believe in high fence hunts. It's not my life to live, and he was truly happy with what he got.....done legally!
So who are we to condemn somebody buy how they choose to live THEIR life and spend THEIR money.
Should we start condemning folks who go to Africa to hunt?....hell you cant even bring that meat home!
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Well said, Shank. I remember Ken's stories about those trips and how much they enjoyed themselves.
A lot of Africa is high fenced too if I'm not mistaken. Is that still hunting?
Texas is mostly private land and lots and lots of high fences. Is it hunting?
I'm not impressed by these animals like the elk in the picture because anyone can grow a giant elk in a fence if the predators and hunting are controlled and the animals can't leave. I'm not going to condemn a guy for doing what they feel is fun. That's not up to me to judge. I still think the elk in the picture and others like that one are farm animals, but I'm not going to belittle the person for doing what they want as long as it's legal.
:twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 04, 2015, 09:40:52 AM
Anyone know anything about this bull?
Looks like he's dead :twocents:
All this subjective and opinionated chatter and I am going to bump the truest post in this thread.
Maybe I should even :yeah: my own posting :IBCOOL:
Post by: jackelope on November 04, 2015, 09:42:48 AM
:yeah:Anyone know anything about this bull?
Looks like he's dead :twocents:
All this subjective and opinionated chatter and I am going to bump the truest post in this thread.
Maybe I should even :yeah: my own posting :IBCOOL:
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 04, 2015, 09:44:04 AM
Look, I've already said if somebody wants to shoot a conditioned farm raised animal and pay big bucks for it, that's their choice. I will never call it hunting though. Ive seen the underbelly of canned shooting. To me, being a hunter encompasses learning a variety of skills, from scouting, reading sign, learning animals' habits, taking care of your kill, stealth, shooting, spotting, and patience along with many sub skills such as calling, luring, camo, recognizing ambush points, scent control, and on and on. By spending money to bypass the need to learn these skills, you are cheating yourself in the long run. That in and of itself isn't what bothers me.Where does it state this was a conditioned, farm raised animal?
The problem is, if you call this hunting, then you are guilty by association of all that is wrong with the industry. Maybe you don't think so, but those who aren't hunters do. And they are the ones who will decide the fate of hunting.
Right there
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 04, 2015, 09:45:17 AM
Shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. Pretty simple. And elk farming is bad for wild elk. I have no issue with the person who chooses to buy and shoot a domestic elk for the meat. what I do have a problem with is the fact that some states allow elk farms. All elk should be wild, period. If someone wants to raise animals for profit, they can raise cattle.
So, your problem is then the farm, not the person harvesting the animal. If you have a problem with the farming of wild animals, as I do, then your complaint should be to the department of F&W regarding the farm and practices which endanger our wildlife, not with the harvester/customer of the farm. Again, the opportunity is there for people to do this. We have no idea why they do it and shouldn't pass judgement on them for doing so.
Post by: bobcat on November 04, 2015, 09:54:55 AM
Post by: h20hunter on November 04, 2015, 09:58:34 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 04, 2015, 10:05:41 AM
I didn't "pass judgement" on anybody. Merely pointed out that the killing of this bull elk should not be called "hunting."
A lot of people on here are passing judgement. And, if she wants to call it hunting, you are passing judgement on her. You have no idea what she did to harvest this animal. She may have tracked it for days for all you know. She might have hiked up a mountain and camped overnight to catch it first thing. To her, it might have been hunting. To you, maybe it isn't. Why do we need to project our value judgments onto her, to make us feel better about ourselves?