Any body heard about this bull?

[blackveltbowhunter]

If you kill an animal legally your a hunter by definition IMO. Nice Bull. Glad it brought some smiles

I think the discussion at hand is not one of who constitutes a "hunter" but at what point does an individual earn your hunting respect?

I don't see alot of folks running down Lebrons accomplishments. Or Jordans. even so called haters cannot deny the prowess possesed and give respect where its due. IMO that's due in large part to the fact that the playing field cannot change. Sure individual players can cheat, (poachers) but no one gets to lower the basket because they were able to pay. You don't get a shorter field because your rich. Hunting as a sport is somewhat on its own in that regard. So it now  becomes up to each individual to determine what field a peer must perform on to earn admiration. 

[WapitiTalk1]

Geez louise, what a bull! 

[Shank]

So years ago we had a parts driver that was pushing retirement age. He loved hunting, and his wife and him would go out and hunt Deer. But they never went after elk due to the fact (in his words)"my wife and I can't manage getting an elk out in the field, then packing it back to the truck"
So they did a high fence cow elk hunt in another state. He told me all about it, he was guaranteed a elk, had a fabulous place to stay. Rode around in a modified jeep. And they had guys going around pushing the elk out of where they were bedded down. Needless to say he got an elk and the following year his wife got one. He was really happy about it, the whole experience.
While I don't believe in high fence hunts.  It's not my life to live, and he was truly happy with what he got.....done legally!
So who are we to condemn somebody buy how they choose to live THEIR life and spend THEIR money.
Should we start condemning folks who go to Africa to hunt?....hell you cant even bring that meat home!

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[pianoman9701]

 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Look, I've already said if somebody wants to shoot a conditioned farm raised animal and pay big bucks for it, that's their choice. I will never call it hunting though. Ive seen the underbelly of canned shooting. To me, being a hunter encompasses learning a variety of skills, from scouting, reading sign, learning animals' habits, taking care of your kill, stealth, shooting, spotting, and patience along with many sub skills such as calling, luring, camo, recognizing ambush points, scent control, and on and on. By spending money to bypass the need to learn these skills, you are cheating yourself in the long run. That in and of itself isn't what bothers me.

The problem is, if you call this hunting, then you are guilty by association of all that is wrong with the industry. Maybe you don't think so, but those who aren't hunters do. And they are the ones who will decide the fate of hunting.

[Bob33]

Look, I've already said if somebody wants to shoot a conditioned farm raised animal and pay big bucks for it, that's their choice. I will never call it hunting though. Ive seen the underbelly of canned shooting. To me, being a hunter encompasses learning a variety of skills, from scouting, reading sign, learning animals' habits, taking care of your kill, stealth, shooting, spotting, and patience along with many sub skills such as calling, luring, camo, recognizing ambush points, scent control, and on and on. By spending money to bypass the need to learn these skills, you are cheating yourself in the long run. That in and of itself isn't what bothers me.

The problem is, if you call this hunting, then you are guilty by association of all that is wrong with the industry. Maybe you don't think so, but those who aren't hunters do. And they are the ones who will decide the fate of hunting.

Where does it state this was a conditioned, farm raised animal?

[pianoman9701]

Wow, is this getting dramatic or what?

[pianoman9701]

Who'd have thought that hunters could be such snobs?  No wonder we can't get anything done and we lose our privileges. Everyone has their own standards and no one else is allowed to deviate from that for fear of being called a fake or a cheater. 

[bobcat]

Shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. Pretty simple. And elk farming is bad for wild elk. I have no issue with the person who chooses to buy and shoot a domestic elk for the meat. what I  do have a problem with is the fact that some states allow elk farms. All elk should be wild, period. If someone wants to raise animals for profit, they can raise cattle.

[JimmyHoffa]

Shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. Pretty simple. And elk farming is bad for wild elk. I have no issue with the person who chooses to buy and shoot a domestic elk for the meat. what I  do have a problem with is the fact that some states allow elk farms. All elk should be wild, period. If someone wants to raise animals for profit, they can raise cattle.

Cattle are difficult for some people to digest.  Elk is the best meat for humans--most similar in proteins and easily absorbed.  Seems there are some valid reasons to farm them.

[jackelope]

So years ago we had a parts driver that was pushing retirement age. He loved hunting, and his wife and him would go out and hunt Deer. But they never went after elk due to the fact (in his words)"my wife and I can't manage getting an elk out in the field, then packing it back to the truck"
So they did a high fence cow elk hunt in another state. He told me all about it, he was guaranteed a elk, had a fabulous place to stay. Rode around in a modified jeep. And they had guys going around pushing the elk out of where they were bedded down. Needless to say he got an elk and the following year his wife got one. He was really happy about it, the whole experience.
While I don't believe in high fence hunts.  It's not my life to live, and he was truly happy with what he got.....done legally!
So who are we to condemn somebody buy how they choose to live THEIR life and spend THEIR money.
Should we start condemning folks who go to Africa to hunt?....hell you cant even bring that meat home!

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Well said, Shank. I remember Ken's stories about those trips and how much they enjoyed themselves.

A lot of Africa is high fenced too if I'm not mistaken. Is that still hunting?
Texas is mostly private land and lots and lots of high fences. Is it hunting?
I'm not impressed by these animals like the elk in the picture because anyone can grow a giant elk in a fence if the predators and hunting are controlled and the animals can't leave. I'm not going to condemn a guy for doing what they feel is fun. That's not up to me to judge. I still think the elk in the picture and others like that one are farm animals, but I'm not going to belittle the person for doing what they want as long as it's legal.
 

[Jonathan_S]

Anyone know anything about this bull?

Looks like he's dead 

All this subjective and opinionated chatter and I am going to bump the truest post in this thread.

Maybe I should even  my own posting 

[jackelope]

Anyone know anything about this bull?

Looks like he's dead 

All this subjective and opinionated chatter and I am going to bump the truest post in this thread.

Maybe I should even  my own posting 

[Jonathan_S]

Look, I've already said if somebody wants to shoot a conditioned farm raised animal and pay big bucks for it, that's their choice. I will never call it hunting though. Ive seen the underbelly of canned shooting. To me, being a hunter encompasses learning a variety of skills, from scouting, reading sign, learning animals' habits, taking care of your kill, stealth, shooting, spotting, and patience along with many sub skills such as calling, luring, camo, recognizing ambush points, scent control, and on and on. By spending money to bypass the need to learn these skills, you are cheating yourself in the long run. That in and of itself isn't what bothers me.

The problem is, if you call this hunting, then you are guilty by association of all that is wrong with the industry. Maybe you don't think so, but those who aren't hunters do. And they are the ones who will decide the fate of hunting.

Where does it state this was a conditioned, farm raised animal?

Right there

[pianoman9701]

Shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. Pretty simple. And elk farming is bad for wild elk. I have no issue with the person who chooses to buy and shoot a domestic elk for the meat. what I  do have a problem with is the fact that some states allow elk farms. All elk should be wild, period. If someone wants to raise animals for profit, they can raise cattle.

So, your problem is then the farm, not the person harvesting the animal. If you have a problem with the farming of wild animals, as I do, then your complaint should be to the department of F&W regarding the farm and practices which endanger our wildlife, not with the harvester/customer of the farm. Again, the opportunity is there for people to do this. We have no idea why they do it and shouldn't pass judgement on them for doing so.