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Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on November 02, 2015, 11:57:17 PMQuote from: bullfisher on November 02, 2015, 07:32:38 PMThats a nice bull for sure!!HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting. The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.Maybe for small ranches, but the big ones you wouldn't ever know the difference between that and the 'wild'. Unless you're hunting on a quality tag as the only gun in the woods, you're generally not one on one with the animals. Even getting a map or info from a forum is using someone else to give you advantage over the animal.
Quote from: bullfisher on November 02, 2015, 07:32:38 PMThats a nice bull for sure!!HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting. The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers. The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort. I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.
Thats a nice bull for sure!!HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.
“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?
Quote from: notellumcreek on November 03, 2015, 05:32:26 AMI do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?I don't believe it's legal in any state to fence in elk. What we're talking about here is domestic elk that are purchased like cattle and then released into a high fenced area. Deer and elk farming is not legal in Washington, period. It's also illegal in Wyoming and I believe Montana just recently made it illegal.
I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?
By my definition, shooting a domestic elk is not hunting. It could be referred to as harvesting, but it's certainly not hunting.Shooting a wild elk is "real" hunting as long as it is done during the hunting season and all laws are followed.
“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?Is the person who scouts his hunting area on Google Earth, reads hunting blogs about the area, drives his $50,000 truck to the trailhead where he unloads his $10,000 ATV and then uses his GPS to drive to the pre-assigned scouting spot that he already knew about from computer research, sets up with his 338 Lapua, $2000 rangefinder, aenemometer, uses his handheld computer that he transported in on his ATV and powers it with his 2000 watt Honda generator to estimate the drop and drift, then takes his 800 yard shot across the canyon – BUT IT’S NOT HIGH FENCED COUNTRY – does this make him more of a hunter?Or can one only be a hunter if he wears a red plain Filson shirt, and lugs a lever action 30-30?
Quote from: Bob33 on November 03, 2015, 10:45:29 AM“Real hunter”? Who decides where the line is?Is the person who scouts his hunting area on Google Earth, reads hunting blogs about the area, drives his $50,000 truck to the trailhead where he unloads his $10,000 ATV and then uses his GPS to drive to the pre-assigned scouting spot that he already knew about from computer research, sets up with his 338 Lapua, $2000 rangefinder, aenemometer, uses his handheld computer that he transported in on his ATV and powers it with his 2000 watt Honda generator to estimate the drop and drift, then takes his 800 yard shot across the canyon – BUT IT’S NOT HIGH FENCED COUNTRY – does this make him more of a hunter?Or can one only be a hunter if he wears a red plain Filson shirt, and lugs a lever action 30-30?Tell me Bob, is Caitlyn Jenner a "real" woman? Does getting surgery and taking hormones make her worthy of a woman of the year award?Calling high fenced shooting, hunting, is the equivalent of calling Caitlyn Jenner a woman in my book. But that's just my opinion.
Putting someone down for a high fence hunt when you really know nothing about the person or the hunt is ignorant, IMO. We should support her, if only for the smile on her face.