Post by: Moose Master on January 10, 2016, 07:09:00 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 10, 2016, 07:15:19 PM
I will probably use him for a drop camp if I ever draw rimrock.
Post by: The scout on January 10, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 10, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Post by: The scout on January 10, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on January 11, 2016, 10:40:26 PM
Post by: Moose Master on January 12, 2016, 06:29:55 AM
Post by: bowhunterty on January 14, 2016, 08:58:54 AM
Post by: The scout on January 14, 2016, 01:22:05 PM
Post by: bowhunterty on January 20, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
Post by: ugly rack on January 24, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
My brother in law and I drew two of the Goat Rock Wilderness goat tags for 2015. We used White Pass outfitters to do a drop tent in the McCall Basin area and would do it again in a heart beat. Kent and his brother Dan were outstanding and the equipment was perfect. I'm a horse guy, but my brother in law is not and the stock used to get us in the ten miles were perfect. Completely uneventful with the exception of an occasional bee hive, which is expected during that time of year. We are, get us there and leave us along type hunters, but the pre information that Kent and Dan provided was extremely beneficial and saved us days of scouting. The camp and equipment was new, well maintained and worked without any issues. So nice we stayed 3 extra days to just enjoy camp after our extremely successful hunt.
The hunt started with us scouting the McCall and North Fork glaciers, Cowlitz Clearfork Basin and Packwood Glacier areas. All hiking distance from our cozy home base in McCall. We saw roughly 25-30 goats a day with some extremely nice Billies. We took two nice Billies mid trip on separate days and the boys came in immediately "twice" to get the caped heads and meet out to the freezer. If you've ever had anything mounted you know this is critical to a good mount.
I have cabin in the White Pass area and have hunted their for over 40 years and know the country well. Kent used to run the Indian Creek Carrols before some personal reasons required him to sell and move on. He is the best asset to hunters in that area and is more than happy to help people just for the love of the sport. When he was at the corral, I often spent time cross referencing animal movements in the area and am glad to have him back in area.
The answer to your question is, if you want to get in the back country for a quality hunt give him a call. He will definitely set you up! My only regret is I don't get to goat hunt again next year.
Let me know if you have any other questions,
Ugly Rack
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 24, 2016, 10:06:40 AM
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Post by: Falcon on February 07, 2016, 04:19:57 PM
It always nice to get a good report on an outfitter.
Glad it worked out :tup
Post by: buglebuster on February 07, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Post by: 2MANY on February 08, 2016, 09:19:12 AM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on February 09, 2016, 09:15:54 AM
I have never over crowded any area, and most of you are thinking of Jerry Jefferson past owner of pacific crest outfitters.
And its not about money, no one becomes an outfitter for the money. Its so I can help a few people get into the back country and enjoy the solitude.
Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter!!!
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on February 09, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
Sure gets old all you diy hunters bad mouthing the outfitters, you guys might spend a couple weeks in the Mtns. While im up there cutting trails and cleaning up half the junk that a lot of DIY LEAVE BEHIND. So if any one has a problem with WPO please give me a call. Thanks to all the positive people. and the rest of you can pack your own Bulls out. :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on February 09, 2016, 09:49:32 AM
Post by: 2MANY on February 09, 2016, 10:56:40 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Money talks and Bullsnot walks.
As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.
As far as clearing trails goes WPO's..... I have cleared trails up there for the past 40 years and anyone that is cutting blow downs out of the way is appreciated. Blow downs and limbs sticking out are a common cause of pack string chaos.
I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 09, 2016, 11:30:09 AM
Buglebuster has a point. Was the wilderness meant to have every father and son parking at the the trailhead and walking in? No. One of the concerns I and many others have about outfitters being allowed in the wilderness is the risk of an area having too much traffic in the years to come. Wildernesses should be kept pristine. A lot of people will say "hey, we should hunt here from now on" after being guided on a hunt, and as a result, year after year, the area starts becoming more populated with hunters.pretty sure hes the one that ruined one of our elk areas, due to all the drop camps he started doing.
Ruined "your" elk area. What area on the USFS lands was yours? Private property? Didn't think so. Take your sniveling somewhere else, there might be a city park in Seattle you can occupy.
Post by: 2MANY on February 09, 2016, 11:32:02 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Money talks and Bullsnot walks.
As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.
I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?
No. That's illegal. Can't run motorized equipment in the wilderness.
I've heard they make an exception for trail clearing but I don't know that's why I asked.
Obviously fire crews do?
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 09, 2016, 11:34:00 AM
hand saw only in the wilderness$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Money talks and Bullsnot walks.
As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.
I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?
No. That's illegal. Can't run motorized equipment in the wilderness.
I've heard they make an exception for trail clearing but I don't know that's why I asked.
Obviously fire crews do?
Post by: 2MANY on February 09, 2016, 11:35:19 AM
Buglebuster has a point. Was the wilderness meant to have every father and son parking at the the trailhead and walking in? No. One of the concerns I and many others have about outfitters being allowed in the wilderness is the risk of an area having too much traffic in the years to come. Wildernesses should be kept pristine. A lot of people will say "hey, we should hunt here from now on" after being guided on a hunt, and as a result, year after year, the area starts becoming more populated with hunters.pretty sure hes the one that ruined one of our elk areas, due to all the drop camps he started doing.
Ruined "your" elk area. What area on the USFS lands was yours? Private property? Didn't think so. Take your sniveling somewhere else, there might be a city park in Seattle you can occupy.
WDFW has an answer for this.
It's called Quality hunts..............Limited tags.........Draw or don't go.
Their management continues to limit our "opportunity".
Post by: 2MANY on February 09, 2016, 11:36:34 AM
Have to get permission.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Money talks and Bullsnot walks.
As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.
I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?
No. That's illegal. Can't run motorized equipment in the wilderness.
I've heard they make an exception for trail clearing but I don't know that's why I asked.
Obviously fire crews do?
Exactly.
Post by: buglebuster on February 09, 2016, 12:10:45 PM
I'm actually not to worried about it all, I've moves on to greener pastures.
Post by: theleo on February 09, 2016, 01:43:35 PM
Here's the flip side to the coin:Buglebuster has a point. Was the wilderness meant to have every father and son parking at the the trailhead and walking in? No. One of the concerns I and many others have about outfitters being allowed in the wilderness is the risk of an area having too much traffic in the years to come. Wildernesses should be kept pristine. A lot of people will say "hey, we should hunt here from now on" after being guided on a hunt, and as a result, year after year, the area starts becoming more populated with hunters.pretty sure hes the one that ruined one of our elk areas, due to all the drop camps he started doing.
Ruined "your" elk area. What area on the USFS lands was yours? Private property? Didn't think so. Take your sniveling somewhere else, there might be a city park in Seattle you can occupy.
If you want pristine wilderness that means that the human presence be kept to a minimum. If that happens, how do you expect people to have the broader public have a vested interest on what goes on there? The Forest Service already has a minimal budget for trail clearing and maintenance, if even fewer care on down the road, at what point will they just give up maintenance on anything in the Wilderness areas? The more people there are to tell their elected officials on what needs to happen the better off we are. Few people take into consideration (here on the east side) that our forests with massive fuel loads are not what was here around the time of the pioneers. The forests were mainly pines with open grass underneath, the white furs were minimal. That wilderness was not inspite of man, but because the natives would regularly set fire to the under growth. They cared about the forest and the animals which they hunted and lived off of. Today there's fewer people caring about the forests and the forests show it. I've kicked around in a few designated "Wilderness" areas and from what I've seen is they lack management tools that "Back Country" areas do and are worse off for it. The notion of "pristine" wilderness is a pipe dream and not very conducive to healthy forest management.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on February 09, 2016, 02:04:39 PM
As an outfitter I cant over camp an area, if my clients aren't getting game or seeing game then my business would go under. And I sure would like to know wear your hunting in the st of wa and not use to seeing a soul. I've hunted,guided and outfitted in the goat rocks and William o Douglas for yrs. And unless youve got horses and mules you should not be hunting wear my camps are because your meat will spoil before you can get it out.
Thanks again for the positive feed back from most of you.
I will be at the Yakima sportsmens show and would really like to meet some of you guys. Good luck this year; Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter
Post by: boneaddict on February 09, 2016, 02:18:57 PM
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Post by: theleo on February 09, 2016, 02:37:00 PM
What a lot of you DIY dont realize I cant control the illegal outfitters in the area. I know of 4 working the area now and they dont play by the rules because the FS does nothing about it. The guide lines I have to follow are a lot stricter than the rules for a DIY HUNTER. I'M watched all the time and my camps are checked on more than anyone's.Most don't even know there's a difference between hunter hours and outfitter hours.
As an outfitter I cant over camp an area, if my clients aren't getting game or seeing game then my business would go under. And I sure would like to know wear your hunting in the st of wa and not use to seeing a soul. I've hunted,guided and outfitted in the goat rocks and William o Douglas for yrs. And unless youve got horses and mules you should not be hunting wear my camps are because your meat will spoil before you can get it out.
Thanks again for the positive feed back from most of you.
I will be at the Yakima sportsmens show and would really like to meet some of you guys. Good luck this year; Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter
There's lots of people out there that don't play by rules. Most hunters have not a clue what it takes to run an outfitting buidness with mules snd horses. You guys have to spend a ton of money to do it all above board. Those that say outfitters over crowd areas, you need to realize if they do that their customers are even more upset about it than you are and it damages their business in a big way. Illegal outfitters will put people anywhere they can fit a tent and call it good. They don't have near the out if pocket expenses legal, licensed, and permitted outfitters do.
The best way to have a little money in the outfitting business is to start out with a lot, by the time the expenses are all dealt with it will be little enough.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on February 09, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 09, 2016, 02:46:37 PM
What a lot of you DIY dont realize I cant control the illegal outfitters in the area. I know of 4 working the area now and they dont play by the rules because the FS does nothing about it. The guide lines I have to follow are a lot stricter than the rules for a DIY HUNTER. I'M watched all the time and my camps are checked on more than anyone's.
As an outfitter I cant over camp an area, if my clients aren't getting game or seeing game then my business would go under. And I sure would like to know wear your hunting in the st of wa and not use to seeing a soul. I've hunted,guided and outfitted in the goat rocks and William o Douglas for yrs. And unless youve got horses and mules you should not be hunting wear my camps are because your meat will spoil before you can get it out.
Thanks again for the positive feed back from most of you.
I will be at the Yakima sportsmens show and would really like to meet some of you guys. Good luck this year; Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter
Never met you, dont know who you are, but it sound s like you are providing a great service to folks. Thank you
If I ever draw a bull tag, you'll be the one. Later.
Post by: 2MANY on February 09, 2016, 02:50:33 PM
PERIOD.
Back in the day they had a ton of stock at Randle and actually did something.
Those days are over because they have no money now. LOL
On a side note.
The same fern feelers who take exception to the horses and mules on the trail should bow down when they pass. If it weren't for the horse people the trails wouldn't have been built in the first place.
If it weren't for groups like the back country horseman, hunters, and guides the trails would be impassable today.
Probably would make for some really good hunting.
Post by: 2MANY on February 09, 2016, 02:56:37 PM
That was in the Selway and because we were over the heartbeat rule.
He turned us into the FS who then rode in 25 miles with some collage chick and gave us a lecture.
Good times and no crowds there.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 09, 2016, 04:32:47 PM
What a lot of you DIY dont realize I cant control the illegal outfitters in the area. I know of 4 working the area now and they dont play by the rules because the FS does nothing about it. The guide lines I have to follow are a lot stricter than the rules for a DIY HUNTER. I'M watched all the time and my camps are checked on more than anyone's.
As an outfitter I cant over camp an area, if my clients aren't getting game or seeing game then my business would go under. And I sure would like to know wear your hunting in the st of wa and not use to seeing a soul. I've hunted,guided and outfitted in the goat rocks and William o Douglas for yrs. And unless youve got horses and mules you should not be hunting wear my camps are because your meat will spoil before you can get it out.
Thanks again for the positive feed back from most of you.
I will be at the Yakima sportsmens show and would really like to meet some of you guys. Good luck this year; Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter
the part about how i should not be hunting with out horse and mules "where your camps are" is laughable. we have pulled plenty of bulls out on our backs from those areas without issue. These areas arnt really all that huge in the grand scheme of things.. this year i too had my first "outfitter experience" in a place we have hunted 20 plus yrs..
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2016, 04:37:19 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on February 09, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
I hope to someday be able to use the services of White Pass outfitters. They seem like a class act!
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on February 09, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
during archery season, most, not all hunters cant make a double trip before your meat is starting to spoil. Even if your only 7 miles in. I can and have done it on my back.Just got smarter.Again thanks for all the positive response.
White Pass Outfitters
Post by: Moose Master on February 11, 2016, 06:38:31 AM
Post by: kirkl on February 11, 2016, 08:02:02 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 11, 2016, 08:05:45 AM
:tup: Threads like this always bring out the cry babies (almost every thread now adays). Hope you have a great hunt.
No kidding. I am also debating on this year or next year with White Pass Outfitters. He will gladly get my business. :tup:
Post by: kirkl on February 11, 2016, 08:14:24 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 11, 2016, 08:49:32 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on February 16, 2016, 10:30:26 AM
Post by: 2MANY on February 16, 2016, 12:54:26 PM
If you can prove you are not a hunter then you could take an exemption on your tax return upon proving you have medical insurance. No insurance required if your only hunting benchlegs. Of course this rule would not apply to same sex marriages and pot users would be granted additional days to hunt based on their handicap.
Of course all of this would have to be monitored by a nonprofit state run organization located deep in the heart of the 206.
Post by: millerwheeler on February 17, 2016, 06:17:20 PM
Personally I think WA should require all hunters have an outfitter no matter what the situation.
If you can prove you are not a hunter then you could take an exemption on your tax return upon proving you have medical insurance. No insurance required if your only hunting benchlegs. Of course this rule would not apply to same sex marriages and pot users would be granted additional days to hunt based on their handicap.
Of course all of this would have to be monitored by a nonprofit state run organization located deep in the heart of the 206.
absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever read all the moose master (MY FATHER ) WAS asking for was INPUT ONTHE OUTFITTER AND EEXPERIENCES not you outlandish political views .
Post by: millerwheeler on February 17, 2016, 06:23:46 PM
Personally I think WA should require all hunters have an outfitter no matter what the situation.
If you can prove you are not a hunter then you could take an exemption on your tax return upon proving you have medical insurance. No insurance required if your only hunting benchlegs. Of course this rule would not apply to same sex marriages and pot users would be granted additional days to hunt based on their handicap.
Of course all of this would have to be monitored by a nonprofit state run organization located deep in the heart of the 206.
absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever read all the moose master (MY FATHER ) WAS asking for was INPUT ONTHE OUTFITTER AND EXPERIENCES not your outlandish political views .so let's keep to the subject please and thank you .
Post by: Branden on February 17, 2016, 07:13:06 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on February 17, 2016, 07:44:55 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 17, 2016, 08:55:45 PM
Post by: 2MANY on February 18, 2016, 11:29:06 AM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on February 19, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
More than willing to answer your questions or just BS with ya
Booth # 131 Thanks again for all the positive people in today's world.
White Pass Outfitters
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER!!!
Post by: kirkl on February 20, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 21, 2016, 08:30:09 PM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on February 22, 2016, 07:55:10 AM
hesitate to email,text or call us and we will try and help.
Good luck on all your hunting adventures
White Pass Outfitters
FAIR CHASE WILDERNESS HUNTS ONLY FOR THE REAL HUNTER!!!
Post by: RG on March 02, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
Post by: kevinc on March 04, 2016, 10:05:26 AM
Myself, my son and a friend use White Pass Outfitters last fall. Kent and his brother where awesome. They checked on us almost everyday, the camp was great. We saw like 2 hunters a day. They do a super job and a reasonable cost, they really earn they money. I hope one of us draws a tag again up there, we will be using Kent.
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