Post by: jakeweb on September 02, 2019, 01:16:16 PM
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Post by: idaho guy on September 02, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Hey, its public land. He doesnt own the ground under the blind. Eat a bunch of taco bell, go in the blind and do your business. Whether you choose to do it while the other hunter is in there or not is up to your discretion.
:yeah: :chuckle: perfect. That’s unbelievable sometimes that people do that. I am pissed and don’t even live in the state ha ha.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on September 02, 2019, 01:58:11 PM
I would just get there first and let him know the spot is taken.
I have hunted past lots of empty stands/blinds during early season.
He might be hoping yours will be also.
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Is there a main trail in, or parking area?
Maybe leave a note stating you are in your stand before he walks in and finds you there.
It sucks that someone is so lacking in integrity to place their own blind in a spot already obviously being used, but it is better to get to know the *censored* than to wonder who it was later.
Or worse, have them come in late and spoil your set-up.
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Only time I ever tried elk hunting from a blind I had a constant stream of hunters come through on opening day.
That's one reason I have 3 stands that I never seem to bring out of my back yard.
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Post by: Dan-o on September 02, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
I once (accidentally) set up literally about 15 yards in front of a guy who was already in position and fairly well concealed.
He tossed a couple pinecones at me........ Took a few for me to get the hint I guess.
Anyway, I got up, quietly apologized. He was cool. Knew I didn't low hole him on purpose.
I got up and left of course.
Post by: idaho guy on September 03, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
I know its not the same, but what if it was on the only water hole around in prime elk country during a dry spell.......does setting up on it claim it as yours for the season?.........
Please don't take this thread down that rabbit hole :chuckle: I think the op was looking for advice on how to handle THIS situation not another debate on how to treat other hunters on public ground. I was involved in another thread that went off the rails with its PUBLIC land you can do anything you want and what if its the only place where there is water or game or whatever. people cant "claim" spots by putting up a tree stands blah blah. This situation it is pretty obvious the second guy is a ******. There should be some basic ethics when hunting and this dude clearly is wrong everybody gets that it is public ground therefore all of OURS but we don't need to make it a war zone and jump on top of each others set ups while hunting. I agree with what was already said get in early and try and talk to them without being and arse. Maybe try and work together even. If that doesn't work I vote for the taco bell solution :chuckle:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 03, 2019, 09:28:04 AM
Hey, its public land. He doesnt own the ground under the blind. Eat a bunch of taco bell, go in the blind and do your business. Whether you choose to do it while the other hunter is in there or not is up to your discretion.I know a guy who did that, on a sleeping bag under a blue tarp lean-to.
If it makes any difference, there was garbage strewn everywhere, including pesticide bags, next to a marijuana grow on National Forest.
Post by: Stein on September 03, 2019, 09:44:47 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2019, 09:50:20 AM
I know its not the same, but what if it was on the only water hole around in prime elk country during a dry spell.......does setting up on it claim it as yours for the season?.........
He's said several times he understands that this is public land. Would you set up a stand where someone already has one? It's not a question of claim. It's a question of ethics.
Post by: MADMAX on September 03, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
If it were me, I would probably find a different spot. The way I see it is that the chance of the other guy ruining my hunt is pretty high, so the best option for me would be to go someplace else. I would rather spend my time productively hunting than having someone walk in on my spot or getting into a confrontation.
That would be my choice as well
Post by: CoryTDF on September 03, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
I know this topic has been discussed here before but I’ve had someone set a blind right next to my treestand. I have a few cameras up right there and feel there’s no way they could’ve missed it all, and it makes me doubt they didn’t check my cameras as they are not extremely hidden and contain lots of elk pictures. Not sure how to handle the situation as it is national forest and his right as much as mine but pretty skewed ethics if you ask me.
Had a member on here do that to me a few years back. We had a really interesting talk. Thought he left with a better understanding of why this was not appropriate. I was wrong. You probably saw my old thread that was posted up about it. Funny how many people on here didn't see it as a problem. Just goes to show that everybody learns different ethics. Happened to me the following year as well so I pretty much gave up hunting in Washington. Hunting is about getting away from people not about leaning over the side of my stand and asking my unwanted neighbor for the Grey Poupon.
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 03, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
Cory our conversation did teach me new things however i still hold to my opinion. It is difficult for new hunters to enter an area without stepping on somebody's toes. I hope you dont give up on Wa, i learned from the experience and started new habits. I also think we should approach other hunters without hubris when discussing ethics. It just leads to arguments and gets us nowhere. Hunters are the biggest enemies of themselves.
Post by: romaknows on September 03, 2019, 12:35:21 PM
No I would not set up nex t to someone else, my post had more to do about the question of "claiming a really good hypothetical spot for.yourself by putting a stand or.camera.on it" I personally dont like to hunt.near anyone a d do whatever I can to keep it that way.I know its not the same, but what if it was on the only water hole around in prime elk country during a dry spell.......does setting up on it claim it as yours for the season?.........
He's said several times he understands that this is public land. Would you set up a stand where someone already has one? It's not a question of claim. It's a question of ethics.
I have have seen a small section of public surrounded by private that was claimed all season with a ground blind.....
Post by: Taco280AI on September 03, 2019, 12:38:58 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2019, 01:11:01 PM
No I would not set up nex t to someone else, my post had more to do about the question of "claiming a really good hypothetical spot for.yourself by putting a stand or.camera.on it" I personally dont like to hunt.near anyone a d do whatever I can to keep it that way.I know its not the same, but what if it was on the only water hole around in prime elk country during a dry spell.......does setting up on it claim it as yours for the season?.........
He's said several times he understands that this is public land. Would you set up a stand where someone already has one? It's not a question of claim. It's a question of ethics.
I have have seen a small section of public surrounded by private that was claimed all season with a ground blind.....
I hunt this bowl every year. Last year, someone had set up a blind at the edge of the meadow the bowl surrounded. Even though I'd hunted it for years, once I saw the occupied blind, I avoided it until the guy's truck no longer showed up. Although no one can hold claim to a stand, if someone's there, I'm going elsewhere. It could be in this case, the second guy wondered if the stand was in active use and intended to bug out if he found it was. :dunno: You can't know until you talk to him.
Post by: hunter399 on September 03, 2019, 01:38:41 PM
With that said , you gotta get over it.Hunt it,or move on.
I still hunt there , but no bait,no trail cam,nothing this year.We are both welcome to hunt public ground but your not hunting over my hard work a second year.
If it was me I would look for a place to hunt down the trail in the direction animals are coming in . :twocents:
Post by: huntnnw on September 03, 2019, 09:56:15 PM
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Post by: huntnnw on September 04, 2019, 02:14:14 AM
I know this topic has been discussed here before but I’ve had someone set a blind right next to my treestand. I have a few cameras up right there and feel there’s no way they could’ve missed it all, and it makes me doubt they didn’t check my cameras as they are not extremely hidden and contain lots of elk pictures. Not sure how to handle the situation as it is national forest and his right as much as mine but pretty skewed ethics if you ask me.
is there bait at this site?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 04, 2019, 05:39:52 AM
Post by: birddogdad on September 04, 2019, 07:28:34 AM
Have a talk. They might have done it out of principle, they saw someone try to claim a piece of public land as their own, so they threw up their stand too.
:yeah:
seems as if this theme of "claiming" before season hits hard bout this time of year... time to go put my cheap tent in my favorite camping spot for Mid-October setup..... oh wait...that is a different rabbit hole i guess.....
Post by: Pegasus on September 04, 2019, 07:39:01 AM
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Post by: CoryTDF on September 04, 2019, 09:17:41 AM
I think a conversation may be the best option possibly the two of you can come to a resolution. That does not involve taco bell. I wont get into the ethics of placing the blind. For me i have gotten into the habit of making several blinds/ locations. If i find someone in my spot i just move to the next one. This also means if i pass a blind or stand and dont see anyone in it ill hunt that area if it looks promising or if i see deer. Perhaps they have multiple spots, its archery season and they are gun hunters, or they are not actively using it. Its annoying but it happens its public land and we all have equal access.
Cory our conversation did teach me new things however i still hold to my opinion. It is difficult for new hunters to enter an area without stepping on somebody's toes. I hope you dont give up on Wa, i learned from the experience and started new habits. I also think we should approach other hunters without hubris when discussing ethics. It just leads to arguments and gets us nowhere. Hunters are the biggest enemies of themselves.
Knew this would smoke you out. Bottom line is that when you come into an area and set a ground blind up 10 feet away from a treestand, trail camera and established and maintained bait pile you are poaching off someone's hard work, time and money. Plenty of room to find your own spot and make your own stand.
Just takes me back to the story about the lake. If you got to the waters edge first, would it be right for you to jump in another persons boat and head out fishing? Would be right to grab one of their rods and go fishing with it? I mean, the lake is public land right?
Lots of land out there. You want to establish a bait pile on a certain spot? Get there first. It's just that simple. If you come across another persons stand, well, keep moving. Guess I am old school and the new flat brim hat crowd just does not see thing the way I do.
Post by: 92xj on September 04, 2019, 09:28:57 AM
I was in my treestand, a bait pile 25 yards out and a camera.
Sun comes up, all is great.
Then I catch movement of a guy walking through the woods. Cool, I'll wait till he gets a little closer, whistle at him and wave.
I do that when he is 30 yards away behind me. He waves, continues to walk towards me, passes the tree I am in, waving again, walks up to my bait, throws out 2 apples in the middle of what I have down, walks back 15 yards and proceeds to sit at the base of a tree below me.
I was blown away. I stayed put just to see how it would play out.
I few hours later, he leaves.
I get down and go to camp.
That afternoon, I walk back in and the guy is laying down in the fetal position with limbs covering him beside my trail camera.
I proceeded to laugh, make a lot of noise, grab my camera and left.
I still cant really believe there are other people hunting that have this mentality. I F'in hate people and wish they could be taught lessons with pain.
Post by: KFhunter on September 04, 2019, 09:32:13 AM
I say keep your spot and make it clear to them you wont be bullied out of the spot you developed and cultivated.
We really need to teach dbags some manners, eventually they'll try to horn in on the 'wrong guy' who wont back down and will teach them some brush ethics!
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Post by: walt on September 04, 2019, 10:05:24 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 04, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
What if the guy with the blind has been hunting this spot for years. He walks in to check for fresh sign and finds a tree stand and cameras, basically another hunter "claiming" the spot as his own? I've read many, many threads on here where the overwhelming response to that situation is "I'd still hunt there" "He doesn't own the spot" or even "I'd climb in and use his stand if he's not there". Personally I'd leave a note with my number and ask for a call to discuss it before jumping to conclusions about the guy or crapping in his blind but that's just me.
What!! No way, talking never solves anything! I say crap in the blind!!! :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on September 04, 2019, 10:19:19 AM
What if the guy with the blind has been hunting this spot for years. He walks in to check for fresh sign and finds a tree stand and cameras, basically another hunter "claiming" the spot as his own? I've read many, many threads on here where the overwhelming response to that situation is "I'd still hunt there" "He doesn't own the spot" or even "I'd climb in and use his stand if he's not there". Personally I'd leave a note with my number and ask for a call to discuss it before jumping to conclusions about the guy or crapping in his blind but that's just me.
If a spot has been hunted for years it'll be evident, brush will be cut, limbs cut, patch of bare dirt where salt was set...there's always signs someone has developed it.
If it looks previously developed at some point then abandoned for several years, then have at it. I find a spot like that I tend to move on because sure 'nuff I get it developed for myself and they'd come back the following year or two years later. I prefer fresh never touched areas in a deep hole that hasn't seen a human in years, maybe that's why I never have these things happen to me :chuckle:
Post by: walt on September 04, 2019, 10:25:45 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 04, 2019, 10:36:28 AM
There's no clear cut rules of ethics, its highly situationally dependent.
So in threads like these some folks are thinking of a specific stand they have or seen,
others are thinking of that guy that holds spots they don't really hunt by popping up a blind.
One just has to come up with their own ethics for each situation.
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 04, 2019, 01:25:25 PM
Knew this would smoke you out. Bottom line is that when you come into an area and set a ground blind up 10 feet away from a treestand, trail camera and established and maintained bait pile you are poaching off someone's hard work, time and money. Plenty of room to find your own spot and make your own stand.
Just takes me back to the story about the lake. If you got to the waters edge first, would it be right for you to jump in another persons boat and head out fishing? Would be right to grab one of their rods and go fishing with it? I mean, the lake is public land right?
Lots of land out there. You want to establish a bait pile on a certain spot? Get there first. It's just that simple. If you come across another persons stand, well, keep moving. Guess I am old school and the new flat brim hat crowd just does not see thing the way I do.
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You are right about the "flat bill" gang there seems to be a disconnect between us and other generations. I have noticed my generation has a much higher tolerance of others. We share information regarding spots and don't hold public land as our own possession. The other generations are willing to share general hunting knowledge but are incredibly tight lipped about locations.
The fishing scenario is irrelevant and has little bearing on the present scenario.
As a new hunter as many of the "flat billers" I know are. We don't have a long history with the land. Nor have we established spots that we go to year after year. The whole move along argument is mute. The particular area our disagreement occurred in had many "spots" . No matter where you went on that property you were bound to be in someone's spot/area. Or you would be pushed to marginal areas.
I think a polite conversation is the best remedy. As after we both calmed down, we were able to have a conversation and stopped further conflicts between us.
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Post by: 2MANY on September 04, 2019, 01:33:47 PM
People are strange.
I was in my treestand, a bait pile 25 yards out and a camera.
Sun comes up, all is great.
Then I catch movement of a guy walking through the woods. Cool, I'll wait till he gets a little closer, whistle at him and wave.
I do that when he is 30 yards away behind me. He waves, continues to walk towards me, passes the tree I am in, waving again, walks up to my bait, throws out 2 apples in the middle of what I have down, walks back 15 yards and proceeds to sit at the base of a tree below me.
I was blown away. I stayed put just to see how it would play out.
I few hours later, he leaves.
I get down and go to camp.
That afternoon, I walk back in and the guy is laying down in the fetal position with limbs covering him beside my trail camera.
I proceeded to laugh, make a lot of noise, grab my camera and left.
I still cant really believe there are other people hunting that have this mentality. I F'in hate people and wish they could be taught lessons with pain.
Perhaps a cougar had its way with him and cached him under the branches.
lol
Post by: Taco280AI on September 04, 2019, 05:19:55 PM
Post by: jakeweb on September 04, 2019, 05:49:59 PM
Post by: Odell on September 04, 2019, 06:39:50 PM
I think a conversation may be the best option possibly the two of you can come to a resolution. That does not involve taco bell. I wont get into the ethics of placing the blind. For me i have gotten into the habit of making several blinds/ locations. If i find someone in my spot i just move to the next one. This also means if i pass a blind or stand and dont see anyone in it ill hunt that area if it looks promising or if i see deer. Perhaps they have multiple spots, its archery season and they are gun hunters, or they are not actively using it. Its annoying but it happens its public land and we all have equal access.
Cory our conversation did teach me new things however i still hold to my opinion. It is difficult for new hunters to enter an area without stepping on somebody's toes. I hope you dont give up on Wa, i learned from the experience and started new habits. I also think we should approach other hunters without hubris when discussing ethics. It just leads to arguments and gets us nowhere. Hunters are the biggest enemies of themselves.
Knew this would smoke you out. Bottom line is that when you come into an area and set a ground blind up 10 feet away from a treestand, trail camera and established and maintained bait pile you are poaching off someone's hard work, time and money. Plenty of room to find your own spot and make your own stand.
Just takes me back to the story about the lake. If you got to the waters edge first, would it be right for you to jump in another persons boat and head out fishing? Would be right to grab one of their rods and go fishing with it? I mean, the lake is public land right?
Lots of land out there. You want to establish a bait pile on a certain spot? Get there first. It's just that simple. If you come across another persons stand, well, keep moving. Guess I am old school and the new flat brim hat crowd just does not see thing the way I do.
No. Not even close.
Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 09:06:13 PM
Many of the places I hunt are wallows, travel corridors, and natural feeding areas where you'd never know I've been there unless you find a boot track. :dunno: Just trying to look at it from another perspective. And no, I'm not the guy with the blind. :)
That’s a totally different situation we all hunt places like that.It would be ridiculous to expect another hunter to respect “my” spot that I hunt every year but leave nothing but boot tracks. Every year it seems someone new hikes into one of “my” spots where I leave nothing but tracks. I don’t like it but big deal there’s more people in Idaho and secret spots get found. Part of the public land game. This guy went past 2 tree stands a couple mineral and or bait sites with 2 cameras to place his blind right next to one of the tree stands. That’s pure crap. It’s not about claiming public land when you dedicate some time to an area it’s about respect and common sense when you run into another’s set up where they obviously put in some work. Even from a complete selfish jackazz perspective why would you do that? Is it going to be a great hunt for you? When it’s obvious at least 2 hunters will be hunting it hard and you will be 10 yards away in your blind? It’s retarded and how is that going to even be a good hunt for the spot poaching jackwagon? Not to mention the first class butt whooping he might get or at least deserves. If I pull up to one of my spots and there’s 1 truck there I go to plan b spot so we both can have a good hunt. why jump on top of another hunter? It’s not like the hunting is better the closer I can get to a bunch of other hunters.
Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 09:15:49 PM
According to a lot of people here I can claim any public land as my own to hunt, and only mine, by putting out a bunch of stands. Interesting...
Why do these threads always go down this rabbit hole :chuckle: it’s not about claiming territory you could still hunt the area just don’t plop a blind at the base of the tree stand and expect to have a great hunt. And don’t sit in other peoples stands either :tup: we all know it’s OUR land but we can respect each other and property too. Some people look at it as some kind of free for all I guess.
Post by: cbond3318 on September 04, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
Why do these threads always go down this rabbit hole :chuckle: it’s not about claiming territory you could still hunt the area just don’t plop a blind at the base of the tree stand and expect to have a great hunt. And don’t sit in other peoples stands either :tup: we all know it’s OUR land but we can respect each other and property too. Some people look at it as some kind of free for all I guess.
You better believe if I ever find one of your blinds , I’m Setting up an address and getting my mail forwarded there! :chuckle:
J/k
Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 09:20:23 PM
I know for sure that it wasn’t a spot he’s been hunting the last five years or so because I’ve been hunting it since 2013 just about everyday of archery season. I’ve pulled a handful of elk out of there in that span. I hunt it every year with my buddy and dad. There is 2 stands about 100 yards apart and 2 mineral blocks. The only way to where his blind is, is to walk past my buddies stand, to my stand, and there are cameras at both. As well as matted down area around the blocks. Pretty hard to miss. As tibthe previous comment and ones like it, I don’t think anyone is saying they own any public land or can keep anyone out of an area. We’re simply saying it’s not the best practice to insert yourself into someone hard work and valuable time. If I was to come upon any stands in the woods and there was ANY sign that it was used or maintained I wouldn’t go there. I mean if he had put the blind 200 yards away I really wouldn’t care. But that’s not the case. Anywho I think most of us can agree that we wouldn’t personally do this and that we also wouldn’t do anything malicious to the person that has. For me it really sucks but I know that’s how it is sometimes and I just have to continue to outwork the others and earn it. I’m not just going to give the spot away, but I do plan on being the first one in the woods on the opener. Also although I don’t consider myself a “flat brimmer” as it’s been called, I am in my mid 20s and have plenty of friend who I’d say are in that category but that doesn’t make them bad people or bad hunters. I just think there’s a perspective difference and they just need some good examples set, these scenarios don’t help.
That’s well said and good attitude :tup: hope you have a great season. I am sure you will outwork the others and continue to have success
Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 09:26:29 PM
According to a lot of people here I can claim any public land as my own to hunt, and only mine, by putting out a bunch of stands. Interesting...
Why do these threads always go down this rabbit hole :chuckle: it’s not about claiming territory you could still hunt the area just don’t plop a blind at the base of the tree stand and expect to have a great hunt. And don’t sit in other peoples stands either :tup: we all know it’s OUR land but we can respect each other and property too. Some people look at it as some kind of free for all I guess.
You better believe if I ever find one of your blinds , I’m Setting up an address and getting my mail forwarded there! :chuckle:
J/k
Go for it! I only put them out to claim territory so no one else can hunt the entire Coeur D Alene national forest. I wouldn’t actually sit in one just marking my territory :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 04, 2019, 09:30:18 PM
I wouldn't setup in a spot just because it's has bait or treestands. Maybe there is geography that funnels animals or it's a major deer trail. Perhaps when I went scouting or hunting I noticed the deer congregate in that area. If you removed all your bait and blinds. I would still hunt there.
I use bait to delay deer on their travel routes for a shot opportunity. I wouldn't attribute my baiting to increasing the productivity but rather acts as a distraction to the deer. They were gonna to be there irregardless of bait/blind.
I think all of us can agree that under no circumstances are you use another person's blind/ treestand or tamper with their cams.
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Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 09:55:37 PM
Just out of curiosity the guys with spots was your spot productive before you put in your treestands and bait etc? Or was the productivity a result of your efforts?
I wouldn't setup in a spot just because it's has bait or treestands. Maybe there is geography that funnels animals or it's a major deer trail. Perhaps when I went scouting or hunting I noticed the deer congregate in that area. If you removed all your bait and blinds. I would still hunt there.
I use bait to delay deer on their travel routes for a shot opportunity. I wouldn't attribute my baiting to increasing the productivity but rather acts as a distraction to the deer. They were gonna to be there irregardless of bait/blind.
I think all of us can agree that under no circumstances are you use another person's blind/ treestand or tamper with their cams.
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My experience with baiting is you will draw animals for miles right to the bait site. We can’t hunt deer or elk in Idaho over bait but we did some in Washington when my kid was younger and it was more than a distraction it was a magnet. They camped on it and we didn’t need it to get them to “pause” from their normal routine . The bait Became there routine.Bear baiting we would get 8-10 bears or more in one draw.No they didn’t all happen to be there before we placed the bait.
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 04, 2019, 10:05:35 PM
My bait sites don't seem to bring in as many animals from distance but kind of stalls and concentrates the local ones. Which is why I fight the whole spot possession. But I can see your frustration if the spot is only good because of the effort you put in.Just out of curiosity the guys with spots was your spot productive before you put in your treestands and bait etc? Or was the productivity a result of your efforts?
I wouldn't setup in a spot just because it's has bait or treestands. Maybe there is geography that funnels animals or it's a major deer trail. Perhaps when I went scouting or hunting I noticed the deer congregate in that area. If you removed all your bait and blinds. I would still hunt there.
I use bait to delay deer on their travel routes for a shot opportunity. I wouldn't attribute my baiting to increasing the productivity but rather acts as a distraction to the deer. They were gonna to be there irregardless of bait/blind.
I think all of us can agree that under no circumstances are you use another person's blind/ treestand or tamper with their cams.
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My experience with baiting is you will draw animals for miles right to the bait site. We can’t hunt deer or elk in Idaho over bait but we did some in Washington when my kid was younger and it was more than a distraction it was a magnet. They camped on it and we didn’t need it to get them to “pause” from their normal routine . The bait Became there routine.Bear baiting we would get 8-10 bears or more in one draw.No they didn’t all happen to be there before we placed the bait.
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Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 10:15:03 PM
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 04, 2019, 10:19:01 PM
I have only ever baited deer for a few years in Washington when I was taking my kid over as non resident youth so I am no expert but I felt we pulled all the local deer in regardless of travel patterns or natural funnels it didn’t matter. We spot and stalked and still hunted a few years over there and then baited on a couple different years. It was a magnet for us. You might want to switch baits if it’s only a “distraction :dunno: baiting made the hunt easier I thought but he was just as successful when we still hunted and we stuck to same general area
I get my garbanzos for free so I don't want to switch plus I've been successful the last two years so why mess with something that works.
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Post by: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 10:33:32 PM
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 04, 2019, 10:45:58 PM
It sounded like you felt you needed to crowd in on others bait sites because that’s where all the animals were at regardless of bait being placed there?Maybe mix some sweet cob in the garbanzos and establish a new site a few miles away from other hunters and draw the game there? I might have misunderstood what you were getting at but sounded like you felt like you needed to be on top of others established spots because that’s where all the game was. Glad your having success
The problem I had was smaller properties that had all the productive areas claimed. The areas are productive even if there is no bait. But because they put bait there , they seem to think they own it. (This was whitetail hunting) This is not Backcountry hunting where you can hike a few miles and establish a new spot. So as a new hunter I ran into other hunters spots. I was very familiar with the area as I lived close by. I knew the major deer crossings and that's what I hunted , other hunters had moved in before season setup bait and stands in areas that have activity year-round. The bait was not attracting them, it was just an appetizer on the way to the fields
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Post by: meatwhack on September 05, 2019, 07:40:46 AM
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Post by: TheStovePipeKid on September 05, 2019, 10:54:33 AM
I cant wait for opening day...oh I'm not hunting...I just want to hear how this Jakewebb vs blind guy drama unfolds . :tung:
I don't want to ruin it for anyone, but they kiss in the end :party1:
Post by: ghosthunter on September 05, 2019, 11:53:23 AM
I know for sure that it wasn’t a spot he’s been hunting the last five years or so because I’ve been hunting it since 2013 just about everyday of archery season. I’ve pulled a handful of elk out of there in that span. I hunt it every year with my buddy and dad. There is 2 stands about 100 yards apart and 2 mineral blocks. The only way to where his blind is, is to walk past my buddies stand, to my stand, and there are cameras at both. As well as matted down area around the blocks. Pretty hard to miss. As tibthe previous comment and ones like it, I don’t think anyone is saying they own any public land or can keep anyone out of an area. We’re simply saying it’s not the best practice to insert yourself into someone hard work and valuable time. If I was to come upon any stands in the woods and there was ANY sign that it was used or maintained I wouldn’t go there. I mean if he had put the blind 200 yards away I really wouldn’t care. But that’s not the case. Anywho I think most of us can agree that we wouldn’t personally do this and that we also wouldn’t do anything malicious to the person that has. For me it really sucks but I know that’s how it is sometimes and I just have to continue to outwork the others and earn it. I’m not just going to give the spot away, but I do plan on being the first one in the woods on the opener. Also although I don’t consider myself a “flat brimmer” as it’s been called, I am in my mid 20s and have plenty of friend who I’d say are in that category but that doesn’t make them bad people or bad hunters. I just think there’s a perspective difference and they just need some good examples set, these scenarios don’t help.
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Post by: CoryTDF on September 06, 2019, 10:12:01 AM
It sounded like you felt you needed to crowd in on others bait sites because that’s where all the animals were at regardless of bait being placed there?Maybe mix some sweet cob in the garbanzos and establish a new site a few miles away from other hunters and draw the game there? I might have misunderstood what you were getting at but sounded like you felt like you needed to be on top of others established spots because that’s where all the game was. Glad your having success
The problem I had was smaller properties that had all the productive areas claimed. The areas are productive even if there is no bait. But because they put bait there , they seem to think they own it. (This was whitetail hunting) This is not Backcountry hunting where you can hike a few miles and establish a new spot. So as a new hunter I ran into other hunters spots. I was very familiar with the area as I lived close by. I knew the major deer crossings and that's what I hunted , other hunters had moved in before season setup bait and stands in areas that have activity year-round. The bait was not attracting them, it was just an appetizer on the way to the fields
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Man you are something else kid. You have like 30 posts on HW and they almost all have to do with baiting and your BS idea of just walking into an area and hunting over bait you did not place. Would have just sent you a PM but you just like to copy and paste them back into the threads so I'll save you the time.
When I met you, you were hunting over a bait pile that I had established, first, before any others. It had been going for 3 years prior to you showing up. You came to a stand I hunted nearly every night and dropped a huge chunk of molasses corn right on top of my bait and decided to hunt it. Glad you learned to use a better bait BTW. You come on on HW trying to justify your actions but you are just not telling the whole story. Yeah, you had seen deer in the area, makes sense because there was an active bait site there for years, developed and maintained by me.
You represent a crowd of entitled millennial style attitudes that I can only believe thinks it unfair that their hard work is not something you get to share. You have it all wrong and someday I hope you walk into a kid in your stand so you can feel the frustration. I am positive if you had actually don't the work yourself you would understand the frustration. You are the definition of the person that has to actually touch the stove themselves.
You talk about "communicating" and "talking" to the other stand owner yet you made not attempt to do that. Had you left a note with a number or waited at the parking area to talk to me like a man, before you hunted over my bait, camera and stand, you would have had a different conversation. Instead you chose to just walk up and take advantage of someone elses handwork, time, and money. I have always let others hunt my stands after my wife and I have killed our deer. The list of people that have shot deer out of my stands is long. I am a generous person with both my knowledge and efforts. That stand was established for my wife and had been a good thing for her for a years. Our interaction and your disrespectful tactics turned my wife away from hunting for the rest of that year.
You live in one of the primer areas of Washington and though land is limited it is available if you work at it. From reading your posts I gather that your whole hunting tactic seems to be waiting for others to establish a bait and wait for a change in deer routes. You then come in and capitalize on someone else hard work with no remorse. I am confident that if your attitude does not change you will have long history of conflict with other hunters. You are playing a dangerous game as many people are not as level headed as I am. I find you to be disrespectful, lazy, inconsiderate, lacking ethics and without honor.
I have wasted all the time I care to waste on talking this issue out with you. I sincerely hope that the other good folks of HW never have to deal with people like you.
Post by: JJB11B on September 06, 2019, 10:22:04 AM
I remember you letting me hunt At Least 3 different stand in the 12 plus years I have known you, when I am striking out I have always been able to throw a lifeline your way. Just sayin'It sounded like you felt you needed to crowd in on others bait sites because that’s where all the animals were at regardless of bait being placed there?Maybe mix some sweet cob in the garbanzos and establish a new site a few miles away from other hunters and draw the game there? I might have misunderstood what you were getting at but sounded like you felt like you needed to be on top of others established spots because that’s where all the game was. Glad your having success
The problem I had was smaller properties that had all the productive areas claimed. The areas are productive even if there is no bait. But because they put bait there , they seem to think they own it. (This was whitetail hunting) This is not Backcountry hunting where you can hike a few miles and establish a new spot. So as a new hunter I ran into other hunters spots. I was very familiar with the area as I lived close by. I knew the major deer crossings and that's what I hunted , other hunters had moved in before season setup bait and stands in areas that have activity year-round. The bait was not attracting them, it was just an appetizer on the way to the fields
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Man you are something else kid. You have like 30 posts on HW and they almost all have to do with baiting and your BS idea of just walking into an area and hunting over bait you did not place. Would have just sent you a PM but you just like to copy and paste them back into the threads so I'll save you the time.
When I met you, you were hunting over a bait pile that I had established, first, before any others. It had been going for 3 years prior to you showing up. You came to a stand I hunted nearly every night and dropped a huge chunk of molasses corn right on top of my bait and decided to hunt it. Glad you learned to use a better bait BTW. You on on HW trying to justify your actions but you are just not telling the whole story. Yeah, you had seen deer in the area, makes sense because there was an active bait site there for years, developed and maintained by me.
You represent a crowd of entitled millennial style attitudes that I can only believe thinks it unfair that their hard work is not something you get to share. You have it all wrong and someday I hope you walk into a kid in your stand so you can feel the frustration. I am positive if you had actually don't the work yourself you would understand the frustration. You are the definition of the person that has to actually touch the stove themselves.
You talk about "communicating" and "talking" to the other stand owner yet you made not attempt to do that. Had you left a note with a number or waited at the parking area to talk to me like a man, before you hunted over my bait, camera and stand, you would have had a different conversation. Instead you chose to just walk up and take advantage of someone elses handwork, time, and money. I have always let others hunt my stands after my wife and I have killed our deer. The list of people that have shot deer out of my stands is long. I am a generous person with both my knowledge and efforts. That stand was established for my wife and had been a good thing for her for a years. Our interaction and your disrespectful tactics turned my wife away from hunting for the rest of that year.
You live in one of the primer areas of Washington and though land is limited it is available if you work at it. From reading your posts I gather that your whole hunting tactic seems to be waiting for others to establish a bait and wait for a change in deer routes. You then come in and capitalize on someone else hard work with no remorse. I am confident that if your attitude does not change you will have long history of conflict with other hunters. You are playing a dangerous game as many people are not as level headed as I am. I find you to be disrespectful, lazy, inconsiderate, lacking ethics and without honor.
I have wasted all the time I care to waste on talking this issue out with you. I sincerely hope that the other good folks of HW never have to deal with people like you.
Post by: CoryTDF on September 06, 2019, 10:28:24 AM
As I always will bud. Love helping people out. Especially the ones that respectfully ask for that help.I remember you letting me hunt At Least 3 different stand in the 12 plus years I have known you, when I am striking out I have always been able to throw a lifeline your way. Just sayin'It sounded like you felt you needed to crowd in on others bait sites because that’s where all the animals were at regardless of bait being placed there?Maybe mix some sweet cob in the garbanzos and establish a new site a few miles away from other hunters and draw the game there? I might have misunderstood what you were getting at but sounded like you felt like you needed to be on top of others established spots because that’s where all the game was. Glad your having success
The problem I had was smaller properties that had all the productive areas claimed. The areas are productive even if there is no bait. But because they put bait there , they seem to think they own it. (This was whitetail hunting) This is not Backcountry hunting where you can hike a few miles and establish a new spot. So as a new hunter I ran into other hunters spots. I was very familiar with the area as I lived close by. I knew the major deer crossings and that's what I hunted , other hunters had moved in before season setup bait and stands in areas that have activity year-round. The bait was not attracting them, it was just an appetizer on the way to the fields
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Man you are something else kid. You have like 30 posts on HW and they almost all have to do with baiting and your BS idea of just walking into an area and hunting over bait you did not place. Would have just sent you a PM but you just like to copy and paste them back into the threads so I'll save you the time.
When I met you, you were hunting over a bait pile that I had established, first, before any others. It had been going for 3 years prior to you showing up. You came to a stand I hunted nearly every night and dropped a huge chunk of molasses corn right on top of my bait and decided to hunt it. Glad you learned to use a better bait BTW. You on on HW trying to justify your actions but you are just not telling the whole story. Yeah, you had seen deer in the area, makes sense because there was an active bait site there for years, developed and maintained by me.
You represent a crowd of entitled millennial style attitudes that I can only believe thinks it unfair that their hard work is not something you get to share. You have it all wrong and someday I hope you walk into a kid in your stand so you can feel the frustration. I am positive if you had actually don't the work yourself you would understand the frustration. You are the definition of the person that has to actually touch the stove themselves.
You talk about "communicating" and "talking" to the other stand owner yet you made not attempt to do that. Had you left a note with a number or waited at the parking area to talk to me like a man, before you hunted over my bait, camera and stand, you would have had a different conversation. Instead you chose to just walk up and take advantage of someone elses handwork, time, and money. I have always let others hunt my stands after my wife and I have killed our deer. The list of people that have shot deer out of my stands is long. I am a generous person with both my knowledge and efforts. That stand was established for my wife and had been a good thing for her for a years. Our interaction and your disrespectful tactics turned my wife away from hunting for the rest of that year.
You live in one of the primer areas of Washington and though land is limited it is available if you work at it. From reading your posts I gather that your whole hunting tactic seems to be waiting for others to establish a bait and wait for a change in deer routes. You then come in and capitalize on someone else hard work with no remorse. I am confident that if your attitude does not change you will have long history of conflict with other hunters. You are playing a dangerous game as many people are not as level headed as I am. I find you to be disrespectful, lazy, inconsiderate, lacking ethics and without honor.
I have wasted all the time I care to waste on talking this issue out with you. I sincerely hope that the other good folks of HW never have to deal with people like you.
Post by: Matth on September 06, 2019, 11:24:46 AM
To top it all off when he got to his pickup he drove almost a mile back to mine, backed up to it and sprayed it with gravel breaking my wind shield, then honked his horn all the way off of the mountain. The kicker is that i was in that spot the weekend before scouting, and there was no blind, or bait pile. It was a complete accident, and had i known he was in there i would have gladly moved on. but he sure did get pissed
Post by: RookieBow1967 on September 06, 2019, 11:49:28 AM
It sounded like you felt you needed to crowd in on others bait sites because that’s where all the animals were at regardless of bait being placed there?Maybe mix some sweet cob in the garbanzos and establish a new site a few miles away from other hunters and draw the game there? I might have misunderstood what you were getting at but sounded like you felt like you needed to be on top of others established spots because that’s where all the game was. Glad your having success
The problem I had was smaller properties that had all the productive areas claimed. The areas are productive even if there is no bait. But because they put bait there , they seem to think they own it. (This was whitetail hunting) This is not Backcountry hunting where you can hike a few miles and establish a new spot. So as a new hunter I ran into other hunters spots. I was very familiar with the area as I lived close by. I knew the major deer crossings and that's what I hunted , other hunters had moved in before season setup bait and stands in areas that have activity year-round. The bait was not attracting them, it was just an appetizer on the way to the fields
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Man you are something else kid. You have like 30 posts on HW and they almost all have to do with baiting and your BS idea of just walking into an area and hunting over bait you did not place. Would have just sent you a PM but you just like to copy and paste them back into the threads so I'll save you the time.
When I met you, you were hunting over a bait pile that I had established, first, before any others. It had been going for 3 years prior to you showing up. You came to a stand I hunted nearly every night and dropped a huge chunk of molasses corn right on top of my bait and decided to hunt it. Glad you learned to use a better bait BTW. You come on on HW trying to justify your actions but you are just not telling the whole story. Yeah, you had seen deer in the area, makes sense because there was an active bait site there for years, developed and maintained by me.
You represent a crowd of entitled millennial style attitudes that I can only believe thinks it unfair that their hard work is not something you get to share. You have it all wrong and someday I hope you walk into a kid in your stand so you can feel the frustration. I am positive if you had actually don't the work yourself you would understand the frustration. You are the definition of the person that has to actually touch the stove themselves.
You talk about "communicating" and "talking" to the other stand owner yet you made not attempt to do that. Had you left a note with a number or waited at the parking area to talk to me like a man, before you hunted over my bait, camera and stand, you would have had a different conversation. Instead you chose to just walk up and take advantage of someone elses handwork, time, and money. I have always let others hunt my stands after my wife and I have killed our deer. The list of people that have shot deer out of my stands is long. I am a generous person with both my knowledge and efforts. That stand was established for my wife and had been a good thing for her for a years. Our interaction and your disrespectful tactics turned my wife away from hunting for the rest of that year.
You live in one of the primer areas of Washington and though land is limited it is available if you work at it. From reading your posts I gather that your whole hunting tactic seems to be waiting for others to establish a bait and wait for a change in deer routes. You then come in and capitalize on someone else hard work with no remorse. I am confident that if your attitude does not change you will have long history of conflict with other hunters. You are playing a dangerous game as many people are not as level headed as I am. I find you to be disrespectful, lazy, inconsiderate, lacking ethics and without honor.
I have wasted all the time I care to waste on talking this issue out with you. I sincerely hope that the other good folks of HW never have to deal with people like you.
I do regret our interaction and I have no hard feelings towards you. I have learned new spots that there are less hunters but it takes time. The point I am trying to make is placing bait does not grant ownership of a spot. As you said it's a great area but land availability is limited. As for your bait pile attracting deer that's a stretch. The bedding area is on private land across the road there is only so many spots the deer cross the road to access the fields you are set up on.
The spot is 110.6 yards from the road and it's not like I'm seeking out other people's spots, you are on the road. I have not had any other conflicts with hunters because I cultivate multiple spots.
As for the posts your right, I spend a lot of time talking about baiting. I wish to understand why you guys so fiercely claim land and I want to show you there is two sides to the discussion. It is a discussion, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying I'm wrong.
I had a good conversation with another member on this issue. That is why I'm on this forum to talk with other members and gain a better understanding and perspective of hunting.
As I said before I hope your hunting goes well and I'm sorry our confrontation dissuaded your wife from hunting. Best of luck this season!
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Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 03:55:27 AM
Post by: TVHunts on September 07, 2019, 04:09:01 AM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on September 07, 2019, 04:15:41 AM
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Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 05:14:08 AM
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 07, 2019, 06:27:05 AM
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 06:30:50 AM
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 07:23:47 AM
Post by: RockChuck on September 07, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
Post by: JJB11B on September 07, 2019, 07:52:18 AM
Well literal worst case scenario. I have elk 50 yards to my north and guy comes in to south by my buddy in his stand where he stops him and tells him I’m back here. Guy ignores said buddy and walks on. Elk bust just out of my range as they see him just walking down the trail a little over an hour after shooting light. I’m literally in my stand and the guy seems to have sat down on a stump just out of my view.I am sorry that happened man. I can't think of anything to tell you
Post by: Sandberm on September 07, 2019, 07:56:29 AM
Thats not a "whoops, I'm sorry" moment. I can only imagine what has happened in the past 30 minutes since Jake posted.
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 07, 2019, 08:30:04 AM
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 08:40:28 AM
Post by: hunter399 on September 07, 2019, 09:09:44 AM
Sorry for your luck hopefully something turns around.
Reply#26
Ask me how I know .
These guys don't care about anything.If they can't hunt there then they will just scare everything off.
Post by: KFhunter on September 07, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Post by: bornhunter on September 07, 2019, 09:28:33 AM
Post by: JJB11B on September 07, 2019, 09:30:17 AM
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
I hate to say this but I told ya to move up the trail away from this guy ,kinda had a feeling that this might happen.Just wanted to say that before thread is deleted or locked.
Sorry for your luck hopefully something turns around.
Reply#26
Ask me how I know .
These guys don't care about anything.If they can't hunt there then they will just scare everything off.
Yeah I know you did but I can’t just give him my hard work and forget about it. I will continue to hunt it. If I’m going to have a bad hunt so Is he. It’s like training a dog I suppose. If you let him think there’s no repercussions for bad behavior then they’ll continue and get worse. I don’t mind eating a tag for a season. Upon further inspection of my trail cam that looks over the area he drove his Jeep all the way to my stand, even though there’s little more then a walking path width. (It’s an old abandoned road that’s hardly even noticeable anymore about a persons width left) and through out a bail of hay on Labor Day weekend. Parked under my stand. I now strongly believe he is completely doing this intentionally
Post by: JJB11B on September 07, 2019, 09:33:27 AM
did you get his plate and a pic of his face? make him famousI hate to say this but I told ya to move up the trail away from this guy ,kinda had a feeling that this might happen.Just wanted to say that before thread is deleted or locked.
Sorry for your luck hopefully something turns around.
Reply#26
Ask me how I know .
These guys don't care about anything.If they can't hunt there then they will just scare everything off.
Yeah I know you did but I can’t just give him my hard work and forget about it. I will continue to hunt it. If I’m going to have a bad hunt so Is he. It’s like training a dog I suppose. If you let him think there’s no repercussions for bad behavior then they’ll continue and get worse. I don’t mind eating a tag for a season. Upon further inspection of my trail cam that looks over the area he drove his Jeep all the way to my stand, even though there’s little more then a walking path width. (It’s an old abandoned road that’s hardly even noticeable anymore about a persons width left) and through out a bail of hay on Labor Day weekend. Parked under my stand. I now strongly believe he is completely doing this intentionally
Post by: Taco280AI on September 07, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
Post by: RockChuck on September 07, 2019, 10:21:03 AM
Walking into that area knowing you guys are there is messed up. If someone is already there he needs to hunt elsewhere. I initially gave him the benefit of doubt with his blind, but not anymore.
:yeah:
Post by: walt on September 07, 2019, 11:00:17 AM
Walking into that area knowing you guys are there is messed up. If someone is already there he needs to hunt elsewhere. I initially gave him the benefit of doubt with his blind, but not anymore.
:yeah: So did I. Definitely not ok
Post by: Bango skank on September 07, 2019, 02:07:50 PM
I hate to say this but I told ya to move up the trail away from this guy ,kinda had a feeling that this might happen.Just wanted to say that before thread is deleted or locked.
Sorry for your luck hopefully something turns around.
Reply#26
Ask me how I know .
These guys don't care about anything.If they can't hunt there then they will just scare everything off.
Yeah I know you did but I can’t just give him my hard work and forget about it. I will continue to hunt it. If I’m going to have a bad hunt so Is he. It’s like training a dog I suppose. If you let him think there’s no repercussions for bad behavior then they’ll continue and get worse. I don’t mind eating a tag for a season. Upon further inspection of my trail cam that looks over the area he drove his Jeep all the way to my stand, even though there’s little more then a walking path width. (It’s an old abandoned road that’s hardly even noticeable anymore about a persons width left) and through out a bail of hay on Labor Day weekend. Parked under my stand. I now strongly believe he is completely doing this intentionally
Does the bale of hay appear to be over 10 gallons? Most are. A call to wdfw may be a good move to get back at this guy.
Post by: Dan-o on September 07, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
I hope you mature and see the error of your ways.
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 02:19:01 PM
Setting right on top of someone is a low life move.
I hope you mature and see the error of your ways.
Are you saying I’m in the wrong? Or saying hope he matures and sees the error in his ways?
Post by: Twispriver on September 07, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 07, 2019, 06:31:49 PM
I then walk over to his place and put a note on his door acusing him of breaking into my truck.
Post by: MADMAX on September 07, 2019, 06:36:52 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 07, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
Here we go😆
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 07, 2019, 06:46:09 PM
Or some big bags of dog food. :yike:I hate to say this but I told ya to move up the trail away from this guy ,kinda had a feeling that this might happen.Just wanted to say that before thread is deleted or locked.
Sorry for your luck hopefully something turns around.
Reply#26
Ask me how I know .
These guys don't care about anything.If they can't hunt there then they will just scare everything off.
Yeah I know you did but I can’t just give him my hard work and forget about it. I will continue to hunt it. If I’m going to have a bad hunt so Is he. It’s like training a dog I suppose. If you let him think there’s no repercussions for bad behavior then they’ll continue and get worse. I don’t mind eating a tag for a season. Upon further inspection of my trail cam that looks over the area he drove his Jeep all the way to my stand, even though there’s little more then a walking path width. (It’s an old abandoned road that’s hardly even noticeable anymore about a persons width left) and through out a bail of hay on Labor Day weekend. Parked under my stand. I now strongly believe he is completely doing this intentionally
Does the bale of hay appear to be over 10 gallons? Most are. A call to wdfw may be a good move to get back at this guy.
Post by: MADMAX on September 07, 2019, 07:29:01 PM
Minus the bottle
If ya smelllllllll La la la la what the rock is cooking
In all seriousness
Id move
Not worth the headaches
Post by: Dan-o on September 07, 2019, 08:35:55 PM
Setting right on top of someone is a low life move.
I hope you mature and see the error of your ways.
Are you saying I’m in the wrong? Or saying hope he matures and sees the error in his ways?
Actually, what I meant was that if you started the site and have maintained it, people should respect that.
I get it's public land, but it doesn't pass my smell test to throw bait in someone else's bait site and hunt it.
I know it can be hard to find premiere public land spots, but sitting on someones bait site just seems wrong.
The flip side is that nobody can tie up pubic land.
I just wouldnt hunt someones site.
Post by: PastorJoel on September 07, 2019, 08:59:08 PM
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 09:37:24 PM
Setting right on top of someone is a low life move.
I hope you mature and see the error of your ways.
Are you saying I’m in the wrong? Or saying hope he matures and sees the error in his ways?
Actually, what I meant was that if you started the site and have maintained it, people should respect that.
I get it's public land, but it doesn't pass my smell test to throw bait in someone else's bait site and hunt it.
I know it can be hard to find premiere public land spots, but sitting on someones bait site just seems wrong.
The flip side is that nobody can tie up pubic land.
I just wouldnt hunt someones site.
Gotcha, I agree completely.
Post by: jakeweb on September 07, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 07, 2019, 10:05:34 PM
Post by: jakeweb on September 09, 2019, 09:21:55 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 10, 2019, 05:06:29 AM
Post by: romaknows on September 10, 2019, 07:55:52 AM
That's terrible I hope he gets his elk
Post by: CoryTDF on September 10, 2019, 10:33:06 AM
Great discussion here and hope we all learned a lot from it. I busted a guys treestand last year in an area I have been hunting for several years. It was his first year there. I didnt even know the guy was there or a stand was there. I sat down right in front of his camera and didnt see it. I didnt know the guys camp was about 200 yards down the road from mine. During the lunch break this guy came walkin into camp and introduced himself and took his camera out to show me some photos, of me! I slobered all over myself apologizing and we ended up having a good laugh over it. The guy ended up in our camp every night after that and we went over the days hunt. Now the reason why this ended on such a positive note is I never went anywhere near that guys stand again that season. And, I just happen to become friends with a guy who has 16 stands between Wa and Idaho and I get to use them now. Do the right thing, find a stand, move on. Oh and BTW, what does flat brimed hat mean? I'm old, dont know this stuff. :dunno:
Flat-Brim hats are some new age ridiculousness that typically adorn the heads of the entitled millennial crowd.
I have a few stories like this myself. Had a kid walk in on me one year, same stand I have since abandoned due to the interactions I referenced earlier in this post, anyway, kid walks in with a lawn chair, cooler, 3D leaf pants and jacket, Glendale Buck and rattling horns. He sets up about 100 yards from me in the middle of the field and starts to rattle. After I finished filming him and laughing hysterically I got out of my stand and went to have a talk with him. He was obviously new and had watched way too many hunting shows LOL. I helped him out and gave him advice on how he could improve both of our chances by heading over to the treeline and just sitting quietly and waiting for a deer. Not sure if he ever killed one but the whole interaction was pleasant.
To the OP of this thread- Sorry I jacked your thread for a bit there. Not cool on my part. My intention was only to share a similar experience and low and behold it smoked out the culprit and I was foolishly compelled to engage in what I knew was a waste of time. Some people just can not be reasoned with. It sounds as though you have found one of those type of people yourself. I hope you shoot a great bull and can rub it in his face. Good luck to you!
P.S. As has always been my custom for people that do show respect I allowed a friend to sit in my stand last night. He shot a nice little buck that is now safely resting in my cooler! I have made many friends over the years that have asked to hunt my stands or I have asked to hunt theirs. Communication before action seems to always be a safe bet. Ask and you shall receive in most cases. :tup:
Post by: bornhunter on September 10, 2019, 10:37:32 AM
Great discussion here and hope we all learned a lot from it. I busted a guys treestand last year in an area I have been hunting for several years. It was his first year there. I didnt even know the guy was there or a stand was there. I sat down right in front of his camera and didnt see it. I didnt know the guys camp was about 200 yards down the road from mine. During the lunch break this guy came walkin into camp and introduced himself and took his camera out to show me some photos, of me! I slobered all over myself apologizing and we ended up having a good laugh over it. The guy ended up in our camp every night after that and we went over the days hunt. Now the reason why this ended on such a positive note is I never went anywhere near that guys stand again that season. And, I just happen to become friends with a guy who has 16 stands between Wa and Idaho and I get to use them now. Do the right thing, find a stand, move on. Oh and BTW, what does flat brimed hat mean? I'm old, dont know this stuff. :dunno:
Flat-Brim hats are some new age ridiculousness that typically adorn the heads of the entitled millennial crowd.
I have a few stories like this myself. Had a kid walk in on me one year, same stand I have since abandoned due to the interactions I referenced earlier in this post, anyway, kid walks in with a lawn chair, cooler, 3D leaf pants and jacket, Glendale Buck and rattling horns. He sets up about 100 yards from me in the middle of the field and starts to rattle. After I finished filming him and laughing hysterically I got out of my stand and went to have a talk with him. He was obviously new and had watched way too many hunting shows LOL. I helped him out and gave him advice on how he could improve both of our chances by heading over to the treeline and just sitting quietly and waiting for a deer. Not sure if he ever killed one but the whole interaction was pleasant.
To the OP of this thread- Sorry I jacked your thread for a bit there. Not cool on my part. My intention was only to share a similar experience and low and behold it smoked out the culprit and I was foolishly compelled to engage in what I knew was a waste of time. Some people just can not be reasoned with. It sounds as though you have found one of those type of people yourself. I hope you shoot a great bull and can rub it in his face. Good luck to you!
P.S. As has always been my custom for people that do show respect I allowed a friend to sit in my stand last night. He shot a nice little buck that is now safely resting in my cooler! I have made many friends over the years that have asked to hunt my stands or I have asked to hunt theirs. Communication before action seems to always be a safe bet. Ask and you shall receive in most cases. :tup:
Got it. Thanks. :tup:
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 10, 2019, 10:56:23 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on September 10, 2019, 10:56:37 AM
Update: the guy true to his word continues to come down the trail about an hour after daybreak. Buttttttttt he went into the trees and started bugling with a cow call about 80 yards from me. Apparently that’s his idea of “way past you”. Today was my second day in the stand as I couldn’t make it Sunday and I had two 5 point bulls come by me. Proceed into the woods in his direction and immediately bust out of there at a full sprint. Guy stayed there another hour and I watched him walk out. On my way out this evening I decided to leave a bit early after 12 hours in the stand. So I’m walking at at 7:15 pm and on a game trail that connects to the main trail. He was on his way in on the main trail and walked right past me without noticing me at all. (I was in a tan puffy that is about the same color as a elk lol). I’m not sure if he’s doing it on purpose or if he’s just completely ignorant to what he’s doing or the effects It has. So far he’s come in contact with 7 elk and 7 elk have sprinted in the opposite direction as he’s trying to beat brush and close distance even though its terrain you can only see about 10 yards in the best spots
:o
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 10, 2019, 07:07:18 PM
Update: the guy true to his word continues to come down the trail about an hour after daybreak. Buttttttttt he went into the trees and started bugling with a cow call about 80 yards from me. Apparently that’s his idea of “way past you”. Today was my second day in the stand as I couldn’t make it Sunday and I had two 5 point bulls come by me. Proceed into the woods in his direction and immediately bust out of there at a full sprint. Guy stayed there another hour and I watched him walk out. On my way out this evening I decided to leave a bit early after 12 hours in the stand. So I’m walking at at 7:15 pm and on a game trail that connects to the main trail. He was on his way in on the main trail and walked right past me without noticing me at all. (I was in a tan puffy that is about the same color as a elk lol). I’m not sure if he’s doing it on purpose or if he’s just completely ignorant to what he’s doing or the effects It has. So far he’s come in contact with 7 elk and 7 elk have sprinted in the opposite direction as he’s trying to beat brush and close distance even though its terrain you can only see about 10 yards in the best spots
:o
I was thinking the same thing......Don't let yourself get stuck!!!!
Post by: funkster on September 10, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Post by: Pegasus on September 10, 2019, 10:41:22 PM
Post by: Crunchy on September 10, 2019, 11:26:08 PM
Move on. You are going to waste your whole season worrying about a POS you can't legally flush. He is going to continue to stink up the place. Adapt and enjoy the rest of your hunt elsewhere. Legally he has the same right as you to be there. Ethically he lacks a moral compass. I let the air out of all four of a jerks' tires once in the snow and worried so much afterwards that he might get hurt getting out that I went back to check. Luckily he made it out. It wasn't worth the brief gratification.
:yeah: