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Quote from: RookieBow1967 on September 03, 2019, 12:03:24 PMI think a conversation may be the best option possibly the two of you can come to a resolution. That does not involve taco bell. I wont get into the ethics of placing the blind. For me i have gotten into the habit of making several blinds/ locations. If i find someone in my spot i just move to the next one. This also means if i pass a blind or stand and dont see anyone in it ill hunt that area if it looks promising or if i see deer. Perhaps they have multiple spots, its archery season and they are gun hunters, or they are not actively using it. Its annoying but it happens its public land and we all have equal access. Cory our conversation did teach me new things however i still hold to my opinion. It is difficult for new hunters to enter an area without stepping on somebody's toes. I hope you dont give up on Wa, i learned from the experience and started new habits. I also think we should approach other hunters without hubris when discussing ethics. It just leads to arguments and gets us nowhere. Hunters are the biggest enemies of themselves. Knew this would smoke you out. Bottom line is that when you come into an area and set a ground blind up 10 feet away from a treestand, trail camera and established and maintained bait pile you are poaching off someone's hard work, time and money. Plenty of room to find your own spot and make your own stand. Just takes me back to the story about the lake. If you got to the waters edge first, would it be right for you to jump in another persons boat and head out fishing? Would be right to grab one of their rods and go fishing with it? I mean, the lake is public land right?Lots of land out there. You want to establish a bait pile on a certain spot? Get there first. It's just that simple. If you come across another persons stand, well, keep moving. Guess I am old school and the new flat brim hat crowd just does not see thing the way I do.
I think a conversation may be the best option possibly the two of you can come to a resolution. That does not involve taco bell. I wont get into the ethics of placing the blind. For me i have gotten into the habit of making several blinds/ locations. If i find someone in my spot i just move to the next one. This also means if i pass a blind or stand and dont see anyone in it ill hunt that area if it looks promising or if i see deer. Perhaps they have multiple spots, its archery season and they are gun hunters, or they are not actively using it. Its annoying but it happens its public land and we all have equal access. Cory our conversation did teach me new things however i still hold to my opinion. It is difficult for new hunters to enter an area without stepping on somebody's toes. I hope you dont give up on Wa, i learned from the experience and started new habits. I also think we should approach other hunters without hubris when discussing ethics. It just leads to arguments and gets us nowhere. Hunters are the biggest enemies of themselves.
Many of the places I hunt are wallows, travel corridors, and natural feeding areas where you'd never know I've been there unless you find a boot track. Just trying to look at it from another perspective. And no, I'm not the guy with the blind.
According to a lot of people here I can claim any public land as my own to hunt, and only mine, by putting out a bunch of stands. Interesting...
Why do these threads always go down this rabbit hole it’s not about claiming territory you could still hunt the area just don’t plop a blind at the base of the tree stand and expect to have a great hunt. And don’t sit in other peoples stands either we all know it’s OUR land but we can respect each other and property too. Some people look at it as some kind of free for all I guess.
I know for sure that it wasn’t a spot he’s been hunting the last five years or so because I’ve been hunting it since 2013 just about everyday of archery season. I’ve pulled a handful of elk out of there in that span. I hunt it every year with my buddy and dad. There is 2 stands about 100 yards apart and 2 mineral blocks. The only way to where his blind is, is to walk past my buddies stand, to my stand, and there are cameras at both. As well as matted down area around the blocks. Pretty hard to miss. As tibthe previous comment and ones like it, I don’t think anyone is saying they own any public land or can keep anyone out of an area. We’re simply saying it’s not the best practice to insert yourself into someone hard work and valuable time. If I was to come upon any stands in the woods and there was ANY sign that it was used or maintained I wouldn’t go there. I mean if he had put the blind 200 yards away I really wouldn’t care. But that’s not the case. Anywho I think most of us can agree that we wouldn’t personally do this and that we also wouldn’t do anything malicious to the person that has. For me it really sucks but I know that’s how it is sometimes and I just have to continue to outwork the others and earn it. I’m not just going to give the spot away, but I do plan on being the first one in the woods on the opener. Also although I don’t consider myself a “flat brimmer” as it’s been called, I am in my mid 20s and have plenty of friend who I’d say are in that category but that doesn’t make them bad people or bad hunters. I just think there’s a perspective difference and they just need some good examples set, these scenarios don’t help.
Quote from: idaho guy on September 04, 2019, 09:15:49 PMQuote from: Taco280AI on September 04, 2019, 05:19:55 PMAccording to a lot of people here I can claim any public land as my own to hunt, and only mine, by putting out a bunch of stands. Interesting... Why do these threads always go down this rabbit hole it’s not about claiming territory you could still hunt the area just don’t plop a blind at the base of the tree stand and expect to have a great hunt. And don’t sit in other peoples stands either we all know it’s OUR land but we can respect each other and property too. Some people look at it as some kind of free for all I guess.You better believe if I ever find one of your blinds , I’m Setting up an address and getting my mail forwarded there! J/k
Quote from: Taco280AI on September 04, 2019, 05:19:55 PMAccording to a lot of people here I can claim any public land as my own to hunt, and only mine, by putting out a bunch of stands. Interesting... Why do these threads always go down this rabbit hole it’s not about claiming territory you could still hunt the area just don’t plop a blind at the base of the tree stand and expect to have a great hunt. And don’t sit in other peoples stands either we all know it’s OUR land but we can respect each other and property too. Some people look at it as some kind of free for all I guess.
Just out of curiosity the guys with spots was your spot productive before you put in your treestands and bait etc? Or was the productivity a result of your efforts? I wouldn't setup in a spot just because it's has bait or treestands. Maybe there is geography that funnels animals or it's a major deer trail. Perhaps when I went scouting or hunting I noticed the deer congregate in that area. If you removed all your bait and blinds. I would still hunt there. I use bait to delay deer on their travel routes for a shot opportunity. I wouldn't attribute my baiting to increasing the productivity but rather acts as a distraction to the deer. They were gonna to be there irregardless of bait/blind.I think all of us can agree that under no circumstances are you use another person's blind/ treestand or tamper with their cams.Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
Quote from: RookieBow1967 on September 04, 2019, 09:30:18 PMJust out of curiosity the guys with spots was your spot productive before you put in your treestands and bait etc? Or was the productivity a result of your efforts? I wouldn't setup in a spot just because it's has bait or treestands. Maybe there is geography that funnels animals or it's a major deer trail. Perhaps when I went scouting or hunting I noticed the deer congregate in that area. If you removed all your bait and blinds. I would still hunt there. I use bait to delay deer on their travel routes for a shot opportunity. I wouldn't attribute my baiting to increasing the productivity but rather acts as a distraction to the deer. They were gonna to be there irregardless of bait/blind.I think all of us can agree that under no circumstances are you use another person's blind/ treestand or tamper with their cams.Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk My experience with baiting is you will draw animals for miles right to the bait site. We can’t hunt deer or elk in Idaho over bait but we did some in Washington when my kid was younger and it was more than a distraction it was a magnet. They camped on it and we didn’t need it to get them to “pause” from their normal routine . The bait Became there routine.Bear baiting we would get 8-10 bears or more in one draw.No they didn’t all happen to be there before we placed the bait.
I have only ever baited deer for a few years in Washington when I was taking my kid over as non resident youth so I am no expert but I felt we pulled all the local deer in regardless of travel patterns or natural funnels it didn’t matter. We spot and stalked and still hunted a few years over there and then baited on a couple different years. It was a magnet for us. You might want to switch baits if it’s only a “distraction baiting made the hunt easier I thought but he was just as successful when we still hunted and we stuck to same general area
It sounded like you felt you needed to crowd in on others bait sites because that’s where all the animals were at regardless of bait being placed there?Maybe mix some sweet cob in the garbanzos and establish a new site a few miles away from other hunters and draw the game there? I might have misunderstood what you were getting at but sounded like you felt like you needed to be on top of others established spots because that’s where all the game was. Glad your having success
