Post by: bigelk1030 on February 23, 2011, 08:55:05 PM
Well now I am in the market for a new one, I would like to keep it under $700-$800. I am really struggling with what to buy.
My short list so far is:
Tikka T3
Browning X or A bolt
Winchester Model 70
I also have a line on an older Remington 700 BDL in awesome condition.
Your input would be helpful, I am leaning towards the Winchester, but there are so many good posts about the Tikka T3, its hard to not look at it.
Thanks for your help!
Post by: Harold on February 23, 2011, 09:09:20 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on February 23, 2011, 09:11:13 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 23, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2011, 09:52:28 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
I think those Tikka's are ugly but I also love my T/C Encores so that ain't saying much.
Those Browning rifles always seemed like good quality stuff to me.
The Remington 700's seem iffy for accuracy and I'd have to see the model 70. Not a big fan of the checkering you see on a lot of them. You've picked all good quality rifles so for me they have to have the cool factor. Stupid reason maybe but it is what it is.
Post by: Bob33 on February 23, 2011, 11:04:53 PM
If money and weight matter go with the Tikka. If you can spend a bit more, see which of them you like having in your hands the best.
Post by: hoyt2002 on February 23, 2011, 11:07:49 PM
Post by: C-Money on February 23, 2011, 11:15:45 PM
Post by: thinkingman on February 24, 2011, 08:58:40 AM
If I wanted lightweight and accuracy, I'd buy Tikka (I did, 3X)
Other two are not in the running.
Post by: norsepeak on February 24, 2011, 09:02:30 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2011, 09:04:17 AM
If I wanted a pretty gun, I'd buy a Browning.
If I wanted lightweight and accuracy, I'd buy Tikka (I did, 3X)
Other two are not in the running.
My A bolt composite stalker sure isn't pretty, but it's definitely accurate AND lightweight. Maybe not as light as the Tikka, but at 6 3/4 pounds, I wouldn't want it any lighter. Not sure why you think Brownings are "pretty" and are not accurate. ???
Maybe I'll post up a picture so you can see how it's NOT pretty. :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on February 24, 2011, 09:09:28 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 24, 2011, 09:12:06 AM
Post by: superdown on February 24, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2011, 09:23:28 AM
I guess my A-bolt is pretty to me. My wifes is pretty too, same gun different cal.
Well now I don't have to post a picture. My rifle is identical to yours, 270 Win. as well.
I guess it depends on your definition of "pretty." :dunno:
I wouldn't say they're ugly but not pretty either. A rifle with a wood stock and a high luster finish and a shiny blued barrel/action is pretty, but for hunting I don't want a pretty rifle. I want a consistently accurate rifle. And that's what the Browning is.
Looks like you have a Leupold scope too. Only difference is mine is a matte finish? What model scope is it? I've got a Vari X III in a 3.5-10x40.
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 09:28:37 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 24, 2011, 09:33:03 AM
My wife has the Vari X III 3.5-10x40 on her A-bolt, I have the Vari X II 3-9x40 on the 270win in the pic.
Post by: Bofire on February 24, 2011, 10:39:20 AM
my 2
Carl
Post by: GoldTip on February 24, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
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Post by: Cleve on February 24, 2011, 10:55:09 AM
Post by: birdwacker on February 24, 2011, 10:59:19 AM
Post by: superdown on February 24, 2011, 11:06:12 AM
:)I have Tikkas and like them alot, I have a Mod 70 270WSM like it a lot, Do not care for Browning A bolt, if you choose Browning I'd reccomend the X bolt. In my opinion the A bolt has the worst magazine system ever designed.
my 2
Carl
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 11:15:29 AM
I can see where the A-bolt magazine would be great for road hunters in states where it is legal to have shells in your magazine and it attached to your rifle.
Browning makes their BAR with the same style magazine and I think they may have that style on the BLR but I'm not sure. I shot my first buck with my dad's 30-06 BAR with that type of mag, and I shot several deer with my brother's A-bolt......I never really had a problem with the mag.
Post by: superdown on February 24, 2011, 11:25:01 AM
Post by: Buckmark on February 24, 2011, 11:25:13 AM
But the Browning A-bolt would be my choice.
Only people that dont like the A-bolt clipin magizine are road hunters, too hard for them, can't just pop it in as you bail out....
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Post by: Bofire on February 24, 2011, 11:34:54 AM
Carl
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 11:59:19 AM
:)With the A5 the detachable box magazine must be detached from the floor plate to be "unloaded" as far as the law is concerned. You load the box magazine hook it to the floor plate and close it. They should have been detachable or not in my opinion. I find them very awkward and very slow to use. the X bolt is a major improvement.
Carl
I agree. The X-bolt is an improvement. They made the trigger better, the safety is better (3 position now) and the magazine isn't the weird hinge deal. I just wish the price tag wasn't so high.............
The thing I really like about the Browning bolt rifles is the tang safety. I don't know why more manufacturers don't go with tang safeties. My Steyr has a 3-pos tang safety like the X-bolt now has......I love it.
Post by: Harold on February 24, 2011, 12:28:12 PM
Take a look at the Howa/Vanguards. My Howa 1500 in .270 is a tack driver.
+1 great gun for the price and it will leave you more room for a better scope. m70 is still my first choice tho.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
:drool:
Post by: Bunny Thumper on February 24, 2011, 12:33:53 PM
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 12:36:25 PM
TC are made in US aren't they?
What about Savage?
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2011, 12:37:47 PM
Lots of choices for American made.
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on February 24, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
Post by: C-Money on February 24, 2011, 01:53:07 PM
Post by: bigelk1030 on February 24, 2011, 04:19:44 PM
Now I need to add the price variable to 3 of them (all in 270):
Winchester Model 70 Walnut stock, blued barrel -- $599
Tikka T3 Lite Stainless - composite stock -- $549
Browning x bolt composite stalker - composite stock, blued barrel -- $699
More thoughts?
Post by: Bofire on February 24, 2011, 05:19:24 PM
Carl
Post by: 270Shooter on February 24, 2011, 06:14:43 PM
Here it is, shot this deer at 485 yards, 1 shot ran 75 yards, and he tumbled. MT by the way.
(http://C:\Documents and Settings\Shelly\My Documents\My Pictures\1\Montana Resizes\09 2x3 2.JPG)
Post by: Harold on March 15, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
Thanks for everyone's input,
Now I need to add the price variable to 3 of them (all in 270):
Winchester Model 70 Walnut stock, blued barrel -- $599
Tikka T3 Lite Stainless - composite stock -- $549
Browning x bolt composite stalker - composite stock, blued barrel -- $699
More thoughts?
is the price for a new m70 off the internet or from a local shop? all the ones ive been seeing are around 700-900s if memory serves me right
Post by: jagermiester on March 15, 2011, 09:51:40 PM
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on March 15, 2011, 10:10:36 PM
Post by: Jekemi on March 16, 2011, 05:54:04 AM
Post by: birdwacker on March 16, 2011, 07:56:29 AM
Post by: Elk-aholic on March 16, 2011, 08:21:45 AM
Post by: bigelk1030 on March 16, 2011, 08:23:55 AM
Thanks for everyone's input,
Now I need to add the price variable to 3 of them (all in 270):
Winchester Model 70 Walnut stock, blued barrel -- $599
Tikka T3 Lite Stainless - composite stock -- $549
Browning x bolt composite stalker - composite stock, blued barrel -- $699
More thoughts?
is the price for a new m70 off the internet or from a local shop? all the ones ive been seeing are around 700-900s if memory serves me right
These guys on the internet have the M70 for 599.00. http://www.covecreekoutfitters.com/ (http://www.covecreekoutfitters.com/)
Post by: hirshey on March 16, 2011, 08:43:17 AM
My boyfriend had one for 2 years and he loved it; he was putting holes in holes at 100 yards with some hand loads and couldn't miss with it. He is probably one of the most dilligent cleaners I know; if he shot it, it was cleaned before taking his hands off it again. With no significant event, at about 1000 rounds through it, the gun had an odd change of performance... he couldn't get it to shoot tighter than 2 inch groups no matter what he changed: he used 3 scopes, 5 different loads including his hand load and 4 general boxed brands, and all over 2 inch groups. ALSO, when he changed bullet brand, the group would stay around 2 inches but moved horizontally and vertically up to 3 feet! We took it to a lisenced FFL dealer and gunsmith and he put a bore scope down the gun and couldn't find any damage or swelling. We contacted Beretta (sako's US dealer) 5 seperate times with no response. Rebarreling it at all estimates would cost almost as much as a brand new gun.
So what I took away from this: If you treat your Tikka very nice, you'll get 1000+ rounds through it just fine and it'll be a tack driver. Customer Service outright STINKS for the gun, though, and parts are extremely expensive. I think a clip is even $50+. They say you should be able to shoot 10,000+ rounds through it with no issue but knowing how well EyeGuard treated that gun I'm sure it was a barrel issue and not damage by user.
Just something to consider.
This being said, his replacement gun was a Sako A7 270 win Soft-touch. If you talk to the right folks, you can get one of those for mid $800's.
I always liked the A Bolt... and I've been drooling over this one for ages now:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=219594737 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=219594737)
If you get it I might have to come oogle over it. Just sayin'. :chuckle:
Best of luck in your decision!
Post by: JLS on March 16, 2011, 09:12:40 AM
Post by: C-Money on March 16, 2011, 09:18:03 AM
Post by: hirshey on March 16, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
Hirshey, That 25th anniversary Browning is very sweet! :drool: That would be a great choice!
I've been watching it pretty closely. The guy has had it on there for about 4 months at least but is pretty firm on the price. If it were a flat $700 I would have made room in my budget for it... but I just don't have the extra $100 floating around right now. :chuckle:
I know it isn't a composite stock but walnut is pretty lightweight as far as wood is concerned.
Post by: Jekemi on June 21, 2011, 08:05:55 AM
Post by: C-Money on June 21, 2011, 08:35:29 AM
Hirshey, Did you ever get the 25th Anniversary Browning you were watching?
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 10:31:02 AM
More options if he hasnt still based on his 700-800 max price range.
CZ550 I own two and they shoot great even with cheap ammo. both of mine came with the set trigger which is great for supreme accuracy.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=237195731 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=237195731)
in kevlar
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/62359 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/62359)
Sako A7, Tikka's classier brother generally including palm swell and they make their actions more specified to each cartridge size in order to provide the most reliable ammo feed.
http://www.eurooptic.com/sako-a7-rifle-synthetic-stainless-270-win-jrsz118.aspx (http://www.eurooptic.com/sako-a7-rifle-synthetic-stainless-270-win-jrsz118.aspx)
Weatherby Vanguard, mentioned earlier but heres a link. Father in law has one of these in 300 win and it shoots great.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_136/products_id/69123 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_136/products_id/69123)
Kimber 84, a slight bump in price but probably one of the best built rifles out of america. One of the only american companies still producing a forged receiver. these suckers are super light weight and shoot like a dream.
http://www.glensoutdoors.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3000730&/?Click=6123&site=google_base (http://www.glensoutdoors.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3000730&/?Click=6123&site=google_base)
Savage weather warrior, Forged action, very accurate, accu-trigger(super sweet) and you can change barrels and calibers between anything in the standard cartridge range in your garage for fairly cheap.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78571 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78571)
Weatherby SMOA. when weatherby test fires their rifles, the ones that shoot exceptionally well are set aside and given the name SMOA. None of this buying a ruger or remingtion or winchester and hoping it shoots decent. :puke:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14721 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14721)
Post by: Alchase on June 21, 2011, 12:54:57 PM
None of this buying a ruger or remingtion or winchester and hoping it shoots decent. :puke:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14721 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14721)
LOL, insert most manufactureres and you would be also correct. I have shot two Kimbers that were not steller performers, concidering the price paid for them.
Post by: wsucowboy on June 21, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
Post by: bigelk1030 on June 21, 2011, 05:21:01 PM
I have gotten out about 4 times, although I am still breaking it in, the gun is a tack driver. The last two times out I could put a quarter over 3 shots.
Thanks again!
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 22, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
Post by: savage300rum on June 25, 2011, 08:28:55 AM
One of the best innovations of the Savage rifles is the barrel nut system. In less than 5 minutes, I can convert my Savage 300 win mag, to a 30-06, 270, 308, 7MM Mag or any other chambering. The only tools required: a nut wrench, vise, go gauge and another barrel (might need to change out the bolt head depending on the caliber). You can easily get factory barrels for less than a $100.
Give serious consideration to the Savage rifles; I wish I had investigated them before buying my custom rifles. They are every bit as accurate but only a fraction of the cost
Nothing more versatile out there and they are insanely accurate with my hand loads....oh and they are made in the USA
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
Thanks for the post, I should of closed the loop with ya all, I ended up buying the Winchester Model 70 in .270. I put a 3-9 Leupold on it. I bought from one of the places who advertise on GunBroker. Got a sweet deal on it ($599).THANKS ABOUT TIME ... :chuckle: now get some 140 gr bullets for it and you will be in like flin !!! :tup:
I have gotten out about 4 times, although I am still breaking it in, the gun is a tack driver. The last two times out I could put a quarter over 3 shots.
Thanks again!
Post by: hirshey on June 26, 2011, 12:11:50 PM
Wonder which one he bought?
Hershey, Did you ever get the 25th Anniversary Browning you were watching?
No I didn't... :'( I couldn't justify another rifle with an older but pretty spot on .270 Rem and a .243 XCR... its still on the wish list though!