Post by: rtspring on March 13, 2011, 09:38:44 PM
I helped some guys out from this site this year......
We got three spikes this year and I was in elk every day and lots of big bulls that I just got to watch walk right by......
I only have 6 points, so i doubt I will draw
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on March 13, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 13, 2011, 09:50:22 PM
if you draw jsut let me know.......Most people said it was a bad year, but our camp thought it was one of the best....... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: time2hunt on March 13, 2011, 09:52:23 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on March 13, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
Lets see some pics as your resume ;):yeah:
Post by: rtspring on March 13, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
check out Whistlin Jacks Facebook page.
lifted F-150 silver... with two spike elk, and white chevy with spike elk........
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 13, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 13, 2011, 11:23:08 PM
Have you hunted it before? I hunt the little naches area
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 13, 2011, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 13, 2011, 11:38:11 PM
That would be a nice tag....If ya get it let me know........
dont mind helping people out.......
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2011, 06:45:48 AM
Post by: MADMAX on March 14, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Then a week of zero elk , saw lots of turkeys though
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2011, 07:12:02 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 14, 2011, 07:20:35 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 14, 2011, 07:22:24 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2011, 07:36:01 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 14, 2011, 07:39:40 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2011, 07:41:33 AM
Post by: colockumelk on March 14, 2011, 09:29:58 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 14, 2011, 09:36:05 AM
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Thread Jacked......... Thanks fellas..........
Post by: Rhinoron247 on March 14, 2011, 09:57:44 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 14, 2011, 10:02:04 AM
Post by: elkaholic123 on March 14, 2011, 10:03:26 AM
I hunted Taneum up near Tamerack for bow season and saw a ton of elk, right up until some idiot started rifle target practicing about a 1000 rounds worth at the gravel pitTamarack springs is not in the Taneum,it is in 340 Manastash
Then a week of zero elk , saw lots of turkeys though
Post by: 400out on March 14, 2011, 10:04:17 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2011, 11:18:25 AM
Isn't there a clockum elk topic already???it could be but this Bigfoot thing is important stuff.
Thread Jacked......... Thanks fellas..........
Post by: MADMAX on March 14, 2011, 11:24:20 AM
My mistake on the boundaries, just always referred to it as taneum
Post by: colockumelk on March 14, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 06:32:18 PM
Post by: norsepeak on March 14, 2011, 06:35:59 PM
Post by: LittleJohn on March 14, 2011, 06:42:44 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on March 14, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on March 14, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 06:47:48 PM
not trying to hurt your guide service. I am actaully going to guide school in montana spring or 2012.
I know this area, and dont mind helping people out.......
Post by: 400out on March 14, 2011, 07:19:33 PM
Why is it that as a sponsor on this site, I cannot advertise on a thread like this of being an elk hunting guide in the peaches unit to try and make a living, but someone can come on here and advertise giving away the same service I offer thus taking money out of my pocket? :dunno:UM because offering free service is not advertising :dunno:
Post by: norsepeak on March 14, 2011, 07:32:10 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
So what because I don't pay to keep the site up I can't offer someone some help.
Blame the site not me, maybe we hunters, guides what ever should work together instead of against one another........
Post by: norsepeak on March 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on March 14, 2011, 08:10:48 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on March 14, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
I am not bringing up the town of Yakima to guide them. I simply know this area and would love to draw the BULL TAG myself. But if I don't why not help someone that does. When i say HELP I mean find the animal, they shoot it, I help them pack it out. That is if they want me to help that much. I would ask for maybe a beer or a shot of Jim Beam........ and whoot and a holler and Maybe a big ol thanks....
I too grew up around this area and have lots of friends. Guess what Norse I have even mentioned your name to them if they draw. You seem like a guy who knows his stuff around the area. I have been serving my country for 20 years so I didnt have the time to start a guide service like you have. I would of loved to do that...........
I am the last one that would try to wrok against you and your GUIDE SERVICE, I was just offering help, I think I have alot to share with someone that happens to get this tag........and would enjoy seeing a smile on thier face more than any amount of money they could give me.........my :twocents:
Post by: RUTNBULL1 on March 14, 2011, 08:25:38 PM
Post by: dlaw on March 14, 2011, 08:35:28 PM
This site continuosly has guys helping each other out and I am pretty sure that its not about taking your business away when a guy offers to help someone out. Helping fellow hunters out is a problem???
I guess you also would like to say the guy listing his property for sale by owner is taking business from the real estate guys that sponsor this site also.
In the end by you popping off about this you have probably lost more business now then from just a single hunter drawing that tag and getting help from rtspring.
Post by: shedcrazy on March 14, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
How is under cutting my business "working together" why would someone pay to have someone provide them a service when they can get it for free? Yes, quality is one reason, but most well look at price. I'm saying that I don't think its right to be publicly offering a service for fee that a sponsor sells. Its like you cooking burgers in the parking lot of burger king and giving them away, what would they do?:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: colockumelk on March 14, 2011, 08:37:08 PM
I can understand why norse is a little bit upset. Afterall he COULD lose a potential customer. Which every single customer lost especially when you can only have a very limited amount of customers due to season lenghts, puts a major ding in the pocket book. But..... norse its a free service on public dirt. If he was offering to take people out for $200 then yes you would have every right to complain and rightfully so. Also he'd probably get booted. But there is nothing wrong with him doing this.
There is an archery shop sponsor on here is there not??? Do you see him get mad on here when people give out free advice on how to tune their bow, when otherwise they'd have to go to a shop like his and pay to have it done?? Or how about when someone recommends they buy a bow that he doesn't sell or from some other bow shop?? How many "customers" or "money" do you think that guy has lost over the years??? I'm just saying its a free country, its public dirt, and its a free service. Just my :twocents:
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 08:45:59 PM
thanks for your comments Colockum. Nice to see we stil have people out there that give thanks to us veterans.....
I sure didn't mean to cause any war with NORSE, If I offended you man, I apologize.........
I love hunting more than anything, Ask some of my past Fiance's..........ya past... :chuckle: :chuckle:
The offer still stands , anyone who draws this tag I would help out in a heartbeat, love the country, love being outdoors, love meeting new people, and while were at it lets kill a big ol bull and post in on here and say its from the Colockum... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Love the Site keep it up BearPaw.............
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 14, 2011, 08:51:31 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 08:54:43 PM
Do i need a License to guide my son too? Come on man, really?????
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 14, 2011, 08:58:48 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 14, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 14, 2011, 09:04:43 PM
CAMPMEAT?
Do i need a License to guide my son too? Come on man, really?????
Don't twist the facts you stated. You come on !
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 09:08:54 PM
its free, its not a business. whether I Itake my son or some complete stranger hunting is not against the law. If it were we would all be in jail for taking someone hunting...... Your splitting hairs here and stirring the pot...
Post by: time2hunt on March 14, 2011, 09:12:47 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 14, 2011, 09:15:46 PM
It sounds like guiding for elk without a guiding licence. Illegal without a guiding license, right Norsepeak ?
Okay so if I go with my buddy who draws a tag and I call for him for free.... that is guiding without a license? NOT
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 14, 2011, 09:17:35 PM
I still have a 5th of beam waiting for you... Might turn into 2 if i get drawn this year with 13 points... Lets hope. Wish we woul dhave camped up near you last year... tough to make the drive up he valley everyday. But wife woul dkill me if i took the 5th wheel up there.
Post by: bobcat on March 14, 2011, 09:21:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 14, 2011, 09:23:06 PM
It sounds like guiding for elk without a guiding licence. Illegal without a guiding license, right Norsepeak ?
How in the ....... is this guiding without a license?
Hopefully you don't take any friends hunting and show them or help them then I guess...cuzz that would be guiding without a license?
Post by: rtspring on March 14, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
what up man. We Sure went to work on them this year. I had your bull looking at me every morning and he was beautiful, but you guys had already left........
thanks for the back up . some of these guys are ruthless........
you gonna make it up that way this year? I got the honey hole ............ :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on March 14, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 14, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
Here are the facts,
its free, its not a business. whether I Itake my son or some complete stranger hunting is not against the law. If it were we would all be in jail for taking someone hunting...... Your splitting hairs here and stirring the pot...
Hmmm, I didn't start the thread. Plus, I don't have any friends, don't want any. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: L8NITE on March 14, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 14, 2011, 09:34:06 PM
Post by: halflife65 on March 14, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Thanks for your service.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 14, 2011, 09:38:48 PM
Post by: RUTNBULL1 on March 14, 2011, 09:39:46 PM
rtspring - I know a little about the Little Naches unit and will be putting in (at least as a second choice) for a branch antlered bull tag. I know enough about the unit - including (and especially) areas you can't drive to and wouldn't be using a guide, anyway, although it sounds like you know more than I do. However, I'd be proud to hunt alongside of you if I do draw.
Thanks for your service. Halfalife you must mean advice, some people might think you got paid or something by saying service! :chuckle: :rolleyes:
Post by: bigpaw 77 on March 14, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on March 14, 2011, 09:40:39 PM
I am also pretty sure if we ever hear of a person needing a guide for the unit, we would also support our brothers here and give a referral.
Post by: FWilliams on March 14, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
How is under cutting my business "working together" why would someone pay to have someone provide them a service when they can get it for free? Yes, quality is one reason, but most well look at price. I'm saying that I don't think its right to be publicly offering a service for fee that a sponsor sells. Its like you cooking burgers in the parking lot of burger king and giving them away, what would they do?
wow. are you serious?
Fred
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 14, 2011, 09:57:31 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on March 15, 2011, 12:19:01 AM
Post by: MADMAX on March 15, 2011, 06:29:43 AM
This thread sure turned into something didn't it.
I want to thank the guy who made the intial offer and the info given me.
It was darn nice of you to offer the help rtspring !
Post by: Miles on March 15, 2011, 07:03:13 AM
He's probably a little stressed.
On a serious note, that's a nice offer and too bad this thread turned out the way it did.
Post by: HornHoarder on March 15, 2011, 07:15:07 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 15, 2011, 07:55:08 AM
Hmmm, I didn't start the thread. Plus, I don't have any friends, don't want any. :chuckle: :chuckle:
lol +1
Post by: Alan K on March 15, 2011, 08:31:43 AM
That's what this whole site is about Norse, I think your missing the point. If a person offers to take someone fishing on here , that doesn't mean the river guide that sponsors on here is getting screwed . I think your being very petty, you may be losing more business with your belly aching than what this guy is going to ever do. Mike
:yeah:
Just saw all this this morning. . . You've got to be kidding me!
Post by: dreamingbig on March 15, 2011, 08:37:27 AM
It is public ground and people can help whoever they want to help without compensation.
Post by: rtspring on March 15, 2011, 09:11:50 AM
Enjoy..........
These elk were taken during Modern Firearm 2010..........
And no you cannot have the GPS COORD :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: 338_Thumper on March 15, 2011, 09:55:23 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 15, 2011, 10:39:07 AM
And not to single you out CAMPMEAT, but if I recall, one of your first posts on this site was in regards to hunting the north central part of this state for deer, and if I remember right, you offered to do almost the exact same thing that rtspring is doing....? I could be wrong here, I am going purely off memory... :dunno:
Post by: 400out on March 15, 2011, 10:48:29 AM
It shows! :dunno:Here are the facts,
its free, its not a business. whether I Itake my son or some complete stranger hunting is not against the law. If it were we would all be in jail for taking someone hunting...... Your splitting hairs here and stirring the pot...
Hmmm, I didn't start the thread. Plus, I don't have any friends, don't want any. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: norsepeak on March 15, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 15, 2011, 11:01:45 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 15, 2011, 11:04:06 AM
We understand the business is rough man.
Post by: FWilliams on March 15, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
Post by: rtspring on March 15, 2011, 11:05:25 AM
No worries man, The way I see it we just happen to hunt the same area. You for a living and me for a recreation. I would love to become friends and share some thoughts and ideas..... I have always wanted to be a guide but didn't want a hobby to turn into a job.
Post by: 400out on March 15, 2011, 11:08:30 AM
:yeah:OMG Pathfinder lok at your post!!!!!!! Log off now :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
We understand the business is rough man.
Post by: Woodchuck on March 15, 2011, 11:18:35 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 15, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 15, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
You guys are right, got a little carried away. Sorry. It just gets frustrating when we are paying for permits and advertising and insurance etc, and we run in to people all the time in our units "helping people out" for just a "donation" or just"gas money". We can't compete with that. I'm all for helping guys out, I know how hard it is to draw, that's why we give discounts to hunt-wa members. Sorry I blew it out of proportion.I would think that with your experience and ability quality would be a major factor.
As a business I am sure you have the ability to put the hours in to locate and keep track of some bulls in the area that others just see occasionally.
The "Donation" or "gas money" helpers should not have a reputation, or advertising, so I am not sure how big an impact they have on your business.
Too bad they do not allot a certain # of permits for outfitters, that would help a lot if you could "guarantee" a permit, versus waiting for those drawn to contact you.
(does the WDFW provide a list of successful applicants ?)
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 15, 2011, 12:04:07 PM
We all know your a decent guy who has to look out and run a business. That being part of your livelyhood.
Post by: bearpaw on March 15, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
I assume Norsepeak's main concern was illegal guiding which is a serious problem that the forest service is actively trying to eradicate. Guiding is most often defined as "When a person accepts any form of compensation for guiding and outfitting services." Norsepeak is operating under special permits and is paying insurance in order to be in business, so he has a legitimate concern if someone is illegal guiding in his area without being properly permitted and insured and under cutting what he charges since they don't have to pay the costs of actually being in business as a legitimate guide. But, I don't know of any state or agency that has any laws against offering free help to other hunters.
In this case, I think rtspring was just trying to offer his free help and gain a little experience while doing so and it appears everyone understands that now. Good luck this fall rtspring, I hope you find someone to hunt with you. :twocents:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 15, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 15, 2011, 05:55:02 PM
If I would have quit and made that my last post, I'd be legendary. Colockumelk would probably have been hauled in by the FBI for questioning too... :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RidgeRunner_07 on March 15, 2011, 06:27:36 PM
Post by: 400out on March 15, 2011, 06:30:02 PM
I think Ill start my own guide service so I can get on the internet and complain about complete strangers offering to help fellow hunters... :chuckle: :chuckle::peep: :peep: with 57 post :yike:
Post by: YoterHunter on March 15, 2011, 06:37:22 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 15, 2011, 06:40:08 PM
Do you happen to like Jim Beam? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: YoterHunter on March 15, 2011, 06:53:09 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 15, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
turned in pochers years ago. plus putting in for certan units.afew goast points.besides im picky on my elk .iwant at least a300 inch. or bigger bull.
If I was you I wouldnt have such a low goal. A 300 inch bull is a dime a dozen in the Blues. Theres 400 inch bulls ALL OVER in the blues. Thats where Id go. Just ask woodchuck and pathfinder. Theyll guide for you.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 15, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: halflife65 on March 15, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on March 15, 2011, 07:17:36 PM
Post by: CamoDup on March 15, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
turned in pochers years ago. plus putting in for certan units.afew goast points.besides im picky on my elk .iwant at least a300 inch. or bigger bull.
If I was you I wouldnt have such a low goal. A 300 inch bull is a dime a dozen in the Blues. Theres 400 inch bulls ALL OVER in the blues. Thats where Id go. Just ask woodchuck and pathfinder. Theyll guide for you.
hahahaha
Post by: rtspring on March 15, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
300 inch bull is a easily reachable goal in my mind. It depends on how hard do want to hunt. And when that 330 bull steps out and you know there is bigger ones to be had, Do you have the will to pass and keep looking or settle for the 330. Or there is always the TAG SOUP option for holding out.
I know without a doubt you can find a bull 300 and above where I hunt......
Post by: wsucowboy on March 15, 2011, 07:26:40 PM
I thought only bigfoot was in the blues :dunno:turned in pochers years ago. plus putting in for certan units.afew goast points.besides im picky on my elk .iwant at least a300 inch. or bigger bull.
If I was you I wouldnt have such a low goal. A 300 inch bull is a dime a dozen in the Blues. Theres 400 inch bulls ALL OVER in the blues. Thats where Id go. Just ask woodchuck and pathfinder. Theyll guide for you.
Post by: time2hunt on March 15, 2011, 07:40:09 PM
Post by: TheKid#10 on March 15, 2011, 07:48:15 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 16, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
I thought only bigfoot was in the blues :dunno:turned in pochers years ago. plus putting in for certan units.afew goast points.besides im picky on my elk .iwant at least a300 inch. or bigger bull.
If I was you I wouldnt have such a low goal. A 300 inch bull is a dime a dozen in the Blues. Theres 400 inch bulls ALL OVER in the blues. Thats where Id go. Just ask woodchuck and pathfinder. Theyll guide for you.
That is correct wsu. Colockum was just trying to stir things up by suggesting that a single, solitary bull elk still survives in the Blues. Truth is, Bfoot ate them all (and yes, I have pictures, but I should not jack another thread with them), and those that survived migrated to the Colockum.
Post by: 400out on March 16, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
:chuckle: The facts are just like the flu this site anymore :dunno: just keeps going around :twocents:I thought only bigfoot was in the blues :dunno:turned in pochers years ago. plus putting in for certan units.afew goast points.besides im picky on my elk .iwant at least a300 inch. or bigger bull.
If I was you I wouldnt have such a low goal. A 300 inch bull is a dime a dozen in the Blues. Theres 400 inch bulls ALL OVER in the blues. Thats where Id go. Just ask woodchuck and pathfinder. Theyll guide for you.
That is correct wsu. Colockum was just trying to stir things up by suggesting that a single, solitary bull elk still survives in the Blues. Truth is, Bfoot ate them all (and yes, I have pictures, but I should not jack another thread with them), and those that survived migrated to the Colockum.
Post by: boneaddict on March 16, 2011, 09:26:34 AM
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But, I don't know of any state or agency that has any laws against offering free help
Just so you know rtspring, asking for a fifth of Jim Beam or gas money is indeed illegal, as it is asking for compensation for your services. Even impying that that is your fee is illegal.....so......not to stir up any hornets nests or act like an internet cop as I think this has worked its way out, but...... just in case you do want to follow the rules, which might be important since you wnat a license in the future. Be careful.
Post by: rtspring on March 16, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
thanks for the advice, it was more a joke than anything.....I don't recall ever asking for a bottle though.....
Post by: C-Money on March 16, 2011, 10:07:36 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 16, 2011, 10:29:28 AM
I just want to draw a tag! Anyone offer a guide service on getting a tag out of the WDFW!Apply, Apply, Apply,
I have been drawn 3 times for Observatory, twice with 6 points.
Post by: C-Money on March 16, 2011, 10:36:40 AM
Post by: Tman on March 16, 2011, 10:38:01 AM
How is under cutting my business "working together" why would someone pay to have someone provide them a service when they can get it for free? Yes, quality is one reason, but most well look at price. I'm saying that I don't think its right to be publicly offering a service for fee that a sponsor sells. Its like you cooking burgers in the parking lot of burger king and giving them away, what would they do?
The perfect example of Americas sense of entitlement. Your really gonna flame this guy for offering to help out a fellow hunter? Seriously?
Problem with the burger example is your not an owner of this site, you sponsered the site to give you the opportunity to advertise in specific locations. Do you think Budweiser would get their panties in a bunch because a Miller commercial was on the same channel.
Post by: norsepeak on March 16, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 16, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on March 16, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
Post by: TheKid#10 on March 16, 2011, 11:19:14 AM
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Post by: greenhead_killer on March 16, 2011, 11:57:12 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 16, 2011, 12:01:23 PM
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if you would love a guided hunt with quality guides and guaranteed opportunity, book with Rugged Class Outfitters.I would love that, but cannot afford it, I get a chance every year myself, for under $500 including fuel so.....
But I am curious about their "guarantee", what about old, fat, slow, lazy clients ?
Is it a "money back" or "next trip" guarantee ?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 16, 2011, 12:02:46 PM
Post by: TheKid#10 on March 16, 2011, 12:07:26 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 16, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
Just a little info on some things. There was nothing meant from this POST other than an offer to help and meet new people.
About 3 years ago in this same unit opening morning, I was driving down the road to a "SPOT" I know. Well out on the road comes this guy about 70 at about 0800 he says to me " I got one down" I parked my truck and helped this guy drag his elk out to the road, it was about a mile and half from the road. at about noon we were done getting this elk out. I really thought this guy may have a heart attack pulling this elk out. I'm 6 ' 4 about 240 and strong enough to hold my own....
Anyway I gave up opening morning of elk season to HELP some stranger out. Thats the type of guy I am...... And i wish there were more hunters out there willing to do the same.......its a brotherhood not a who can bash who operation.............
And that evening this guy shows up at my camp with a bottle of whiskey and said " thank you so much"
haven't spoken to him since............
Post by: Killmore on March 16, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 16, 2011, 12:29:36 PM
Is this thread going to die???Congratulations, I wasn't meaning anything either, just curiosity....
Just a little info on some things. There was nothing meant from this POST other than an offer to help and meet new people.
About 3 years ago in this same unit opening morning, I was driving down the road to a "SPOT" I know. Well out on the road comes this guy about 70 at about 0800 he says to me " I got one down" I parked my truck and helped this guy drag his elk out to the road, it was about a mile and half from the road. at about noon we were done getting this elk out. I really thought this guy may have a heart attack pulling this elk out. I'm 6 ' 4 about 240 and strong enough to hold my own....
Anyway I gave up opening morning of elk season to HELP some stranger out. Thats the type of guy I am...... And i wish there were more hunters out there willing to do the same.......its a brotherhood not a who can bash who operation.............
And that evening this guy shows up at my camp with a bottle of whiskey and said " thank you so much"
haven't spoken to him since............
BTW, I am 6'4" and closer to 280, and willing to help also, it is all hunting to me, whether I am helping find one, or getting one out.
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2011, 12:32:43 PM
What I am referring to on bad information is the guide license. You do need one if guiding fishing trips but not for guiding hunting trips. If you are charging a fee to guide hunting trips you will need a master business license, available on-line from the state department of licensing for a one time twenty dollar fee which sets up an account for your sales tax charges but is not necessary if doing the guiding for free. The forest service also has a permit which is annual if you are operating a business or event which collects a fee. It is five percent of adjusted gross receipts for one time events and 3 percent of adjusted gross receipts for multiple events under a single permit; or using the minimum fees for recreation events that have been established, but may vary, by National Forest. I am not sure of the exact minimum fee. But if no fee is charged this is also not necessary. A person could "guide" for no fee and need no permits or licenses and accept "tips" which need only be shown on that individuals tax return under wages, tips, and earnings. With goods (Bottle of Jim Beam) or services (paint your house)represented at an equal monetary value for the goods or services. Now with that said, if you would love a guided hunt with quality guides and guaranteed opportunity, book with Rugged Class Outfitters.
rtspring just be careful about accepting tips, I think that was bad information. I have only been in business for 30+ years because I try to avoid breaking any laws and try to stay well versed in what's legal and what's not. In most states the determining factor for illegal guiding cases is if the person accepted compensation (of any type). Through the years I know of dozens of guys who have tried to skirt the issue and ended up losing.
I think the USFS will consider tips to be compensation for taking someone hunting and if a sting was put on you that you would end up in federal court for illegal guiding on US Government lands. If I were you, I would ask the forest in the area where you want to take someone hunting what they consider guiding and compensation, and if someone buys your gas or gives you a bottle of booze if that breaks any laws. :twocents:
It's much better to be safe than sorry. :hello:
Post by: Rhinoron247 on March 16, 2011, 12:52:54 PM
Post by: TheKid#10 on March 16, 2011, 01:38:18 PM
Post by: halflife65 on March 16, 2011, 01:47:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
I think it's great that he wants to help other hunters, I just don't want him to get in any trouble for being a good guy. :twocents:
Post by: jstone on March 16, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2011, 02:16:16 PM
WOW, If you get in trouble for being a good guy in this country.. Screw it. I have always helped people and always will. I understand that there are bad seeds out there, but that shouldnt stop people from helping. :dunno: :dunno:
exactly :)
Post by: Cougeyes on March 16, 2011, 03:53:19 PM
Wow so how about that Peaches Ridge tag? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Kinda funny with all the talk on hear about the unit. I have been in the unit during the last 6 archery seasons (without a BB tag) and have not Hardly seen anyone there let alone tag holder. plenty of bulls but a real lack of ppl willing to get far off the road or behind the gates. Great news for those who do. Guide or no guide it's a big area with lots of animals and just getting a tag is a score. I know my fingers are crossed. Can't wait to hear who gets drawn.
Agree, although during the muzzy season we did see a few other people in there. One guy put a dome tent up in the saddle above your camp right where we located some elk the previous night. Still have that elk steak in my freezer with your name on it, gotta get it to you for letting me use your camp. P.S. I saw a really nice buck back there, may have to find him this summer.
Post by: YoterHunter on March 16, 2011, 06:25:37 PM
Post by: jstone on March 16, 2011, 06:47:31 PM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on March 16, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
Wow so how about that Peaches Ridge tag? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Kinda funny with all the talk on hear about the unit. I have been in the unit during the last 6 archery seasons (without a BB tag) and have not Hardly seen anyone there let alone tag holder. plenty of bulls but a real lack of ppl willing to get far off the road or behind the gates. Great news for those who do. Guide or no guide it's a big area with lots of animals and just getting a tag is a score. I know my fingers are crossed. Can't wait to hear who gets drawn.
Agree, although during the muzzy season we did see a few other people in there. One guy put a dome tent up in the saddle above your camp right where we located some elk the previous night. Still have that elk steak in my freezer with your name on it, gotta get it to you for letting me use your camp. P.S. I saw a really nice buck back there, may have to find him this summer.
Got our fingers crossed for Bobbi to pull a tag this year. Can't wait to see her knock a big boy down up there. The dance she'll do will be better than the one she did in your Dad's field over that spike. LOL
Post by: Rhinoron247 on March 16, 2011, 06:54:46 PM
Cougeyes..... That could be the same area i hunted last muzzy season. was it in the middle of a saddle where the elk cross... I have hunted inthat area for a while. I had the clockum tag in 06. So sense then. still put in for each area. if that person is on here, in the Taneum, DONT CAMP ON THAT SADDLE >:( >:( Cant get more specific. great spot 8) 8) 8)
I've seen Mr. Dome tent up there and yes he parks his world in exact wrong place. I think I'd rather have him join my camp than blow all those animals out. Had him pop out of his tent in the dark one time and scare the crap out of the horses. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: gasman on March 16, 2011, 07:04:28 PM
Second, If I do gey drawn, I will be talking to Norse about a guided hunt. His knowledge is very extensive. He lives there, and knows every inch of the area, and not just Peaches either......
And Yoterhunter, he hunts the west side, so i would not worry about him. He is not worthy of a east side bull tag ;)
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: rtspring on March 16, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
sure I will have one tied to a tree for ya... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I wont be around until the Modern rifle tag....
Post by: gasman on March 16, 2011, 07:12:26 PM
gasman,
sure I will have one tied to a tree for ya... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I wont be around until the Modern rifle tag....
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: benhuntin on March 16, 2011, 07:24:23 PM
"Cant we all just get along" :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Cougeyes on March 16, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
Cougeyes..... That could be the same area i hunted last muzzy season. was it in the middle of a saddle where the elk cross... I have hunted inthat area for a while. I had the clockum tag in 06. So sense then. still put in for each area. if that person is on here, in the Taneum, DONT CAMP ON THAT SADDLE >:( >:( Cant get more specific. great spot 8) 8) 8)
It is the exact same area, you and I had talked about this before on here after the season. I scouted that area where his tent was the night before and there was a big bull in the draw below and a few cows right below where the tent was. Some people just dont have common sense.
Post by: Cougeyes on March 16, 2011, 07:33:21 PM
I've seen Mr. Dome tent up there and yes he parks his world in exact wrong place. I think I'd rather have him join my camp than blow all those animals out. Had him pop out of his tent in the dark one time and scare the crap out of the horses. :bash: :bash: :bash:
You're a crazy mountain man to be riding horses up there in the dark! Maybe he'll eventually learn, he only stuck around 2 days from what i saw and was gone, left the campfire smoldering as well :bash: I hope Bobbi or you draw a tag this year. Not sure if you read on here but they were proposing to increase bull permits in peaches this year so maybe it'll be yours or her year to draw. I may put a trail cam up there this year and see if i can't find that buck, let you know what i come up with for elk, not that you need any help you probably have them all named, just like the acrobatic mice that utlize your camp :chuckle:
Post by: jstone on March 17, 2011, 08:06:02 AM
Post by: YoterHunter on March 17, 2011, 09:12:12 PM
Post by: rtspring on June 11, 2011, 04:32:08 PM
With the drawing results coming out soon my offer still stands. I will expect no compensation for helping someone out. Just a fellow hunter helping someone out.
Good luck in the Drawing......
RTSPRING
Post by: jstone on June 11, 2011, 08:29:33 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 11, 2011, 08:54:30 PM
Post by: doehunter57 on June 13, 2011, 12:16:20 AM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 13, 2011, 12:21:07 AM
Norse, Why should I pay the high prices to you and people like rtsprings LOVE to help other hunters harvest a animal. I don't see anything wrong with it. Most hunters can't afford a guide. I'm just like rtsprings, I just enjoy helping hunters and just being out. You just like the MONEY, TOO BAD.
Digging up bones on your 2nd post :dunno: A.) read the entire thread. B.) why dont you tell us a little about yourself in our intro thread..
Post by: doehunter57 on June 13, 2011, 12:45:11 AM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 13, 2011, 01:03:22 AM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on June 14, 2011, 06:36:38 PM
Post by: elk79 on June 14, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Post by: jstone on June 14, 2011, 07:42:23 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 14, 2011, 07:51:37 PM
Post by: JBR on June 14, 2011, 08:33:31 PM
I still really can't believe I actually drew a quality tag, as like most, I ususally go from being excited with anticipation for the draw, to being dissapointed and apathetic, knowing "oh well, there's always next year". I got tired of always saying that, so finally, I got the "green light" and now it's up to me.
Post by: rtspring on June 14, 2011, 09:38:22 PM
TO those that have PM'D me I will be in touch.... start scouting now. Also I would reccomend using Norsepeak if you are looking to be guided. I know he knows this area well also. I will be around for the rifle hunt but not the archery. We will see if we can get you guys pointed in the right direction..... good luck and shoot straight....
Post by: norsepeak on June 14, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on June 15, 2011, 06:51:31 AM
Is that the rut rifle or general season? I think you camp in the area i muzzy hunt.
She drew the modern tag, that is entirely possible I guess that depends on where you muzzy hunt? :dunno: lol. Am hoping to get into the camp next week and start working on it. Looks like I will be camp cook and guide this year.
Post by: jstone on June 15, 2011, 07:48:47 AM