Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: HoofsandWings on June 17, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
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This may not be the place to ask, but I read about many who regularly carry every day.
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
I don't think I have locked my car or house for 50 years.
I have a carry permit for hiking to protect the dog.
Just wondering.
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Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
Nope(I don't) and Nope
reason??
Like the old saying goes...
I would rather have it and not need it, then to not have it and need it
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I live in Spanaway, and you never know when I'm carrying..I started carrying again after 4 Lakewood Police Officers were murdered, and an armored car employee was murdered..5 deaths from worthless piles of crap. I don't live in a "BAD" area, but as I have told more than one cop,,,I will always have your backs..
Hunterman(Tony)
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A great place to ask
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
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No, I do not live in a bad area. But there are bad people everywhere. I own a septic tank cleaning business and I carry everywhere I go. I carry at your house because I don't know you or your lifestyle. I don't know if you are a drug dealer or if your spouse is angry at you for some domestic violence issue and they are coming back. I don't know everyone in the grocery store. I carry because of the old saying, " when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away"
kenzmad
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Also remember Washington is an open carry state just be prepared for people to be watching you. Most people that don't own gun's probably don't know this.
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You don't have to live in a bad area to need a gun. Remember, bad people can drive! Nothing to keep them from coming into a nice area. I live in Edgewood, where one of my neighbors, a real nice guy, was murdered by a POS that drove to his house from outside our city.
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Guns get sh!t gone.
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No, I live in a pretty good area. I dont carry all the time, never to work. Most of the time I'm out and about, I'm carrying. A in the waistband holster, in the small of the back. Kind of like the credit card I carry in my walet, I hope to never have to use it but it's there just in case.
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I've never carried a pistol in my life unless I was in the woods. Shot them plenty, own a couple but have never carried concealed or open unless I was in the woods.
:dunno:
I plan to get my permit one of these days pretty soon but I probably will still mostly not carry.
:yike:
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No prob to ask :tup: I carry every day, like someone else said "it's always better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it" I have been in a few situation that it has turned things in my favor. Without it, things could have turned out a lot diffrent.
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I live in Spanaway, and you never know when I'm carrying..I started carrying again after 4 Lakewood Police Officers were murdered, and an armored car employee was murdered..5 deaths from worthless piles of crap. I don't live in a "BAD" area, but as I have told more than one cop,,,I will always have your backs..
Hunterman(Tony)
I like that logic...
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As a group, Supervisors/proprietors are more likely to be murdered on the job than police officers.
There is something about being prepared for violence, awareness, having backup, being armed and well trained. Most civilians don't have access to radio backup or training. We don't expect that problem employee (or spouse) to walk through your door with criminal intent.
http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf)
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A great place to ask
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
When I went to the police station to get a permit, I asked about carrying while hiking. I specifically asked about carrying in a backpack and was told by the officer that if I did that, I would need a permit.
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It has nothing to do with if you live in a dangerous area or anything like that. There are only two side to this issue, either you have the RIGHT to self defense or you don't. Gun control or no gun control. what'll it be. You can't go and say "well, he lives in a dangerous area so it's ok for him to have self defense", but you live in...well, you know what I am saying.
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A great place to ask
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
When I went to the police station to get a permit, I asked about carrying while hiking. I specifically asked about carrying in a backpack and was told by the officer that if I did that, I would need a permit.
He gave you incorrect informaton.
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A great place to ask
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
When I went to the police station to get a permit, I asked about carrying while hiking. I specifically asked about carrying in a backpack and was told by the officer that if I did that, I would need a permit.
Never trust a cop giving "legal" advice. Section 8 here applies. This is a list of exceptions to needing a license to carry concealed, under 9.41.050. When people go to court, they hire attorneys, not cops, to represent them because cops tend to give "legal" advise that makes their life easier, or what they've learned on the streets, which isn't always correct.
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
*** CHANGE IN 2011 *** (SEE 1041-S.SL) ***
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(1) Marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens or their deputies, or other law enforcement officers of this state or another state;
(2) Members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves, when on duty;
(3) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed pistol;
(4) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of the person, if possessing, using, or carrying a pistol in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(5) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive pistols from the United States or from this state;
(6) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting, when those members are at or are going to or from their places of target practice;
(7) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of modern and antique firearm collecting, when those members are at or are going to or from their collector's gun shows and exhibits;
(8.) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper; or
(10) Law enforcement officers retired for service or physical disabilities, except for those law enforcement officers retired because of mental or stress-related disabilities. This subsection applies only to a retired officer who has: (a) Obtained documentation from a law enforcement agency within Washington state from which he or she retired that is signed by the agency's chief law enforcement officer and that states that the retired officer was retired for service or physical disability; and (b) not been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity of a crime making him or her ineligible for a concealed pistol license.
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If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not. Just like if you have a loaded pistol in your car and it is not on your person when you are in the car(can not be tucked between your leg and seat), you would be in violation. Besides it don't do any good in your back pack if you need it.
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I know of a few people who have gotten a ticket for carrying concealed while hunting with no permit. That being said it sounds like it is legal to do so from the verbage you have provided. Personally I have been stopped/talked by many sheriffs from many counties and none have ever asked to see my conceal permit even when it is obvious I am carrying. This doesn't prove anything either way, Just want to put this out there.
My :twocents: get the permit its not expensive and will save you the hassle, its great to ask for opinions on a board like this but make sure to always seek professional advice when something is of importance.
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Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
[quote](8.) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
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Assuming you're not walking down Main Street USA carrying a loaded pistol in your pack and you are actually hiking, hunting, fishing, etc as mentioned above, it sure sounds legal to me to carry without a permit.
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If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not.
Not if you're "engaged in a lawful recreational activity."
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I carry almost everywhere except when at work (company rules) even at home my handgun is nearby if not on my hip.
I live in a great neighborhood (well, as good as it gets on the wet side), LOL
I carry because I like to be prepared, and the police and Sheriff can only react after a situation. I have to be able to react during the situation.
Besides most of the Sheriff's Deputies here are to big to fit on my hip :dunno: .
I would encourage everyone to obtain their CPL. Even if you do not wish to carry, or carry often. Numbers matter, I guarantee if 90% of this state had a CPL, no law restricting ownership rights would ever be written or become law.
The most important reason I carry, it is the only right we have that "ensures" we keep all the others. I firmly believe if we do not use it we will loose it.
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Here's another way to look at this. About one in four Americans own at least one gun. It is very similar to the number of people that regularly vote.
So as you are going down the road, watch out for the three out of four and wear a seatbelt. :chuckle:
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Thoughts on carrying.....
I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary
place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil
in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of
government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life
hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed,
and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to
be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of
themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because being unarmed and facing three armed
thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it
meaningful to me.
Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect
themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too
old to take an ass kickin'.
"Be who you are and say what you feel....Because those that
matter....don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter
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I don't carry all of the time, but when I go to certain areas I definitely do. Example: Yesterday, while I was on duty, a man was walking down the street in broad daylight. A scumbag came up to him, punched him without warning and then stabbed him in the neck. Apparently, it was a robbery attempt. He was very lucky that the blade missed the important stuff. I know that bad stuff can happen anywhere, but the odds are greater in some neighborhoods.
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I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy. :chuckle:
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I just got a carry permit and now carry a lot. The bank where I go to do the company's banking has been robbed twice. Vancouver is basically a bedroom community to Portland and we have all types of people, scumsuckers included. I don't hope to use it, but I'm really glad i have it.
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This may not be the place to ask, but I read about many who regularly carry every day.
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
I don't think I have locked my car or house for 50 years.
I have a carry permit for hiking to protect the dog.
Just wondering.
SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG: BUT YOU DON'T NEED A CARRY PERMIT TO CARRY WHILE HIKING/FISHING/HUNTING/ECT....
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You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
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I live in Spanaway, and you never know when I'm carrying..I started carrying again after 4 Lakewood Police Officers were murdered, and an armored car employee was murdered..5 deaths from worthless piles of crap. I don't live in a "BAD" area, but as I have told more than one cop,,,I will always have your backs..
Hunterman(Tony)
I like this guy! :tup:
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You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
SORRY, I MENT TO SAY YOU CAN CARRY CONCEALED WHILE DOING THOSE ACTIVITIES
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You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/)
Loaded guns will be allowed in Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon and other national parks under a new law that takes effect Monday.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060)
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
No need for a concealed permit when hiking, fishing, hunting etc.
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Thanks for the update FC!
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I don't know how true it is but I was told there is a violent crime every 10 seconds in America. So sooner or later something going to happen that's why I carry.
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I carry everyday, everywhere I go, cops are to heavy and I cant throw a rock 1000fps.
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There are almost 400,000 violent crimes in America every year. If you break that down per state, per day, that's about 20 in your state, today. A lot of it is concentrated in certain 'hoods but you plain have your head buried in the sand if you think that crime knows boundaries.
I carry 98% of the time i leave my house. Going for a run is about the only time it is impractical, though I used to go running in college with a gun due to country/farm dogs.
Be careful with open carry. When I left WA a few years ago I knew of no statute specifically authorizing open carry. The problem you can run into is that someone can always call 911 and say you're brandishing a firearm or trying to intimidate and if a liberal cop responds he may be more sympathetic to the caller than to you, even if you were minding your own business.
Tactically speaking its usually better for your firearm to be concealed. This is often the case even though it takes you an extra step to present it to the threat. I open carry in the woods because the animals wont know the difference. I can respect the position of those who like to open carry to make a political statement--but I choose to do other things with my time.
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Be careful with open carry. When I left WA a few years ago I knew of no statute specifically authorizing open carry. The problem you can run into is that someone can always call 911 and say you're brandishing a firearm or trying to intimidate and if a liberal cop responds he may be more sympathetic to the caller than to you, even if you were minding your own business.
There is no statute that allows open carry, because washington state is "If it's not specifically illegal by law, then it's legal". There is no RCW that makes open carry illegal, hence it's legal. There is some wording in an RCW that can make it a slightly gray area;
RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
A couple of guys have been rung up by this, but others have successfully fought it. It all depends on how much of a dick that you, the cop and the prosecutor want to be! Both parts highlighted have to be true, not just the first.
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If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not. Just like if you have a loaded pistol in your car and it is not on your person when you are in the car(can not be tucked between your leg and seat), you would be in violation. Besides it don't do any good in your back pack if you need it.
That is untrue. It does not have to be "on your person". It can be under your seat, or on the seat next to you, or in the glove box. You can carry it in your backpack, or purse, or fanny pack. There is a lot of misinformation on concealed carry out there. Believe it or not, Washington is one of the most lax states concerning concealed carry. Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are.
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You should read RCW 9.41.050
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
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You should read RCW 9.41.050
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
It says (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there,
That is not restricted to "on your person".
It is an acceptable condition like (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person,
As long as you meet an acceptable condition you are within the law. You don't have to meet them all simultaneously, ie; on your person, in the vehicle that is locked.
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"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Wow 7 Mag!!!! Your right we just do a lot of guess work in this business! Thats sarcasm and I'm hoping that was some sarcasm from you because if that was the case and making all these unlawful arrests I'd probably lose my job real quick! On the upside, 7 Mag is correct in his responses! Quit poppin off, we don't need anymore booger eaters on this site!
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"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Swatson this has been my experience as well. I have had some pretty crazy advice given to me by cops and you yourself gave some incorrect info earlier in this thread :twocents:
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Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
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Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
Nope(I don't) and Nope
reason??
Like the old saying goes...
I would rather have it and not need it, then to not have it and need it
After a couple encounters with Dogs gone feral... Got it because I'd be packing it from home to trail...etc
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"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Swatson this has been my experience as well. I have had some pretty crazy advice given to me by cops and you yourself gave some incorrect info earlier in this thread :twocents:
Nope, just went and reread what I told you and that is correct. Please explain.
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You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
Here ya go Swatson, if you want to get into it over this...You can get mad all you want but it is legal to carry concealed or open while hiking, hunting, fishing etc or traveling to/from such or any other lawful outdoor activities. It is also legal to do so in National Parks!
I've had so much BS fobbed off as law by cops to me that it isn't even funny, I am not going to get into a debate over this but your "booger eater" comments are going a little far and most folks know the actual truth of this matter.
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Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
As long as you have CPL. I actually know someone that has mounted something similar on the right side of their steering wheel under the dash. He was also himmed up by a rookie right out of the academy during a traffic stop until a senior Officer arrived and straightened things out. Obviously this is a very complicated law and no matter how much they teach and pound these laws into the recruits at the academy there still gonna come out a little confused sometimes. I would say that most cops are squared away on the gun laws and if they aren't or are in some doubt they will or at least should make damn sure before issuing a citation or hooking someone up.
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I've had a few 'officials' on the other side of the counter give their own views & opinions as law too.
Getting the right to carry in NP's was a big one.... I always did anyway :rolleyes:
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Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
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You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
Here ya go Swatson, if you want to get into it over this...You can get mad all you want but it is legal to carry concealed or open while hiking, hunting, fishing etc or traveling to/from such or any other lawful outdoor activities. It is also legal to do so in National Parks!
I've had so much BS fobbed off as law by cops to me that it isn't even funny, I am not going to get into a debate over this but your "booger eater" comments are going a little far and most folks know the actual truth of this matter.
hahaha relax buddy, I didn't inform you on every gun law, I was just simply addressing the "open carry" part of this!!!!!!
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Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
Here we go, everyones getting worked up! Special T, first let me explain to you how this stuff works, I don't need Probable Cause(PC) to talk to anyone! You need PC to arrest people not to talk to them. PC means that more likely than not the person committed the crime(51%) I can talk to anyone I want and thats their right if they choose to talk back! Those BS small infractions aren't made by us, our job is enforce them. I also get discretion on whether I educate or enforce on these "BS infractions." If you don't agree with these violations take it up with the appropriate people!
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Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
I don't share your experience with LE. The very few occasions I've had to deal with them, they were courteous and usually let me off. I've never been searched, never been asked if I was carrying, and haven't been written up on "BS" infractions. You must be very unlucky. Sorry to hear.
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Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
As long as you have CPL. I actually know someone that has mounted something similar on the right side of their steering wheel under the dash. He was also himmed up by a rookie right out of the academy during a traffic stop until a senior Officer arrived and straightened things out. Obviously this is a very complicated law and no matter how much they teach and pound these laws into the recruits at the academy there still gonna come out a little confused sometimes. I would say that most cops are squared away on the gun laws and if they aren't or are in some doubt they will or at least should make damn sure before issuing a citation or hooking someone up.
Thank you,
Now I can get creative with a few of my extra holsters, LOL
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Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
I don't share your experience with LE. The very few occasions I've had to deal with them, they were courteous and usually let me off. I've never been searched, never been asked if I was carrying, and haven't been written up on "BS" infractions. You must be very unlucky. Sorry to hear.
I have nothing but respect for the Pierce County Sherif's department, they are spread very thin, and have served us in my community (I live in Sterling Ridge) extremely well.
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You bet. That being said, don't be surprised if you get stopped and removed from your vehicle until the contact is over. You gotta be outta your mind if you think I'm gonna go back to my patrol car knowing you have a pistol mounted on your dash! I'd probably have you sit on your back bumper until I was done with my stop. That saying most Police Officers are all for gun rights and very pro gun. Not all but most!
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I don't share your experience with LE. The very few occasions I've had to deal with them, they were courteous and usually let me off. I've never been searched, never been asked if I was carrying, and haven't been written up on "BS" infractions. You must be very unlucky. Sorry to hear.
I have nothing but respect for the Pierce County Sherif's department, they are spread very thin, and have served us in my community (I live in Sterling Ridge) extremely well.
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Likewise. LEO now days are in a freaking war. It isn't like the Barney Fife days of the 50's and 60's. I have nothing but respect for those in local LE. The bad guys are armed to the teeth and LEO get shot and killed on a regular basis now days. I am always friendly and courteous and if I can, I will buy their coffee and say thanks.
You bet. That being said, don't be surprised if you get stopped and removed from your vehicle until the contact is over. You gotta be outta your mind if you think I'm gonna go back to my patrol car knowing you have a pistol mounted on your dash! I'd probably have you sit on your back bumper until I was done with my stop. That saying most Police Officers are all for gun rights and very pro gun. Not all but most!
If this happens to me I will sit on my bumper like a lamb. I totally understand.
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I have not been pulled over in a long time (knock on wood) if I were to be pulled over, I would hand my CPL to the Officer or Deputy with my drivers licence and let them know right away if there is a weapon near by.
I always wanted to be in law enforcement, but I soon realized that I do not have the patience to deal with everyday idiotic situations they have to go through. Honestly I do not think I could restrain myself if I came a crossed some a$$ that hurts children in any way. I am a firm believer that "sometimes" an a$$ kicking is needed to solve the vast majority of the problems we face. That would not go over well as a sworn officer.
My advice to anyone who wonders what it is like to be a law enforcement officer, do a ride-a-long program with them. It will open your eyes to reality from an Officer's point of view.
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I have been pulled over TWICE ( knock on wood toss salt etc) ....and the most recent one was after I had gotten my cpl...tossed him my license which also has my cpl in the same thingy he asked very nicely if I was carrying or there was a weapon in my rig I said no its not allowed at work or on their property, so he proceeded to give me a lecture about speeding ;) I never used to speed usually I am that annoying twit who is going the speed limit but after work I just wanted to get home ASAP that night :dunno:
I've had cops in my home a few times and its just not an issue ever... I am not a criminal and my ownership of guns has been considered pretty normal :dunno: I also have always lived in the BFE areas of this state maybe thats the difference...
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Payback for being the annoying twit going slow in the left lane, lol :chuckle:
J/K Run
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Payback for being the annoying twit going slow in the left lane, lol :chuckle:
J/K Run
OH nonono I do not go slow in left lane :yike: :bdid: if I hit left lane its pedal on the floor so I can get out of those peoples way :chuckle: my new ride only has 4 chipmonks under the hood so I dread hitting the passing lane tough getting them chippy's wound up enough to pass much of anything :bash: :bash:
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Payback for being the annoying twit going slow in the left lane, lol :chuckle:
J/K Run
OH nonono I do not go slow in left lane :yike: :bdid: if I hit left lane its pedal on the floor so I can get out of those peoples way :chuckle: my new ride only has 4 chipmonks under the hood so I dread hitting the passing lane tough getting them chippy's wound up enough to pass much of anything :bash: :bash:
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I have been pulled over TWICE ( knock on wood toss salt etc) ....and the most recent one was after I had gotten my cpl...tossed him my license which also has my cpl in the same thingy he asked very nicely if I was carrying or there was a weapon in my rig I said no its not allowed at work or on their property, so he proceeded to give me a lecture about speeding I never used to speed usually I am that annoying twit who is going the speed limit but after work I just wanted to get home ASAP that night
I've had cops in my home a few times and its just not an issue ever... I am not a criminal and my ownership of guns has been considered pretty normal. I also have always lived in the BFE areas of this state maybe thats the difference...
Please, what is BFE an acronym for?
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I have been pulled over TWICE ( knock on wood toss salt etc) ....and the most recent one was after I had gotten my cpl...tossed him my license which also has my cpl in the same thingy he asked very nicely if I was carrying or there was a weapon in my rig I said no its not allowed at work or on their property, so he proceeded to give me a lecture about speeding I never used to speed usually I am that annoying twit who is going the speed limit but after work I just wanted to get home ASAP that night
I've had cops in my home a few times and its just not an issue ever... I am not a criminal and my ownership of guns has been considered pretty normal. I also have always lived in the BFE areas of this state maybe thats the difference...
Please, what is BFE an acronym for?
"bum f@cked Egypt"
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You just confirmed what I was thinking, LOL! Thank you
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This may not be the place to ask, but I read about many who regularly carry every day.
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
I don't think I have locked my car or house for 50 years.
I have a carry permit for hiking to protect the dog.
Just wondering.
Crime is everywhere. Sure I don't live in South Seattle or Tacoma, but there is enough where I'm at to justify locking doors and packing on occasion. I may not take it if I have to go to the grocery store, but if I am going out to the forest wouldn't want to leave it behind. The forests have very little LE and lots of criminals.
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Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
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Maybe, but the indians don't have to follow our laws.
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Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
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Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
I remember a story about the NRA taking the case of a person fired for having a Firearm in their car, deal was though, the car was not parked on the employers property. I think it was a School District. I'd be very surprised to see a law that stopped an employer from banning certain items on their property.
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Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
I remember a story about the NRA taking the case of a person fired for having a Firearm in their car, deal was though, the car was not parked on the employers property. I think it was a School District. I'd be very surprised to see a law that stopped an employer from banning certain items on their property.
Some states (Kansas for example) have such laws, but WA does not.
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Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
My employer was a sovereign nation our laws didn't apply on their land ;)
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Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
I remember a story about the NRA taking the case of a person fired for having a Firearm in their car, deal was though, the car was not parked on the employers property. I think it was a School District. I'd be very surprised to see a law that stopped an employer from banning certain items on their property.
I frequent opencarry.org/washington, and this is a hot topic right now. It is legal for the business to ban you from having a firearm in your car if on the business' lot, or fire you if caught, because it's still their property you're parked on. If there were a law prohibiting it, it's news to those guys.
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I'm a fan of "What they don't know won't hurt me". :chuckle:
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:chuckle: they should put that on a t-shirt
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New law or single court case decision???? I ahve strong doubts about a "new law"
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Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
As long as you have CPL. I actually know someone that has mounted something similar on the right side of their steering wheel under the dash. He was also himmed up by a rookie right out of the academy during a traffic stop until a senior Officer arrived and straightened things out. Obviously this is a very complicated law and no matter how much they teach and pound these laws into the recruits at the academy there still gonna come out a little confused sometimes. I would say that most cops are squared away on the gun laws and if they aren't or are in some doubt they will or at least should make damn sure before issuing a citation or hooking someone up.
Thank you,
Now I can get creative with a few of my extra holsters, LOL
Thats a great idea :tup:
I do believe if you have passengers in the car then it has to be "on the person" :dunno: can someone clarify that
At least thats how ive always done it. By myself ill sometimes take it out of IWB but if I have passengers without permits I keep it on me. :dunno:
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No, your still okay with a passenger.
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Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
Here we go, everyones getting worked up! Special T, first let me explain to you how this stuff works, I don't need Probable Cause(PC) to talk to anyone! You need PC to arrest people not to talk to them. PC means that more likely than not the person committed the crime(51%) I can talk to anyone I want and thats their right if they choose to talk back! Those BS small infractions aren't made by us, our job is enforce them. I also get discretion on whether I educate or enforce on these "BS infractions." If you don't agree with these violations take it up with the appropriate people!
I think i need to clarify a couple of things... First off i do my best not to have negative contact with the Law... 2nd i NEVER fail the attitude test when talking to LEO's... It keeps me in the "Education" category, give a cop grief get a ticket... Say your yes Sirs and no Mams and you got a chance...
Let me tell you a real story... I was riding as a passenger in my brothers truck, it was late and we were headed back to his place in the Renton Highlands. Cop pulls us over because the cop felt that his mudflaps did not come to the center line of the axle. He got my brothers drivers lic and proof of insurance...while one officer was checkin on his info the other cop asked me for my id... Now it might be a reasonable request, but i thought we were pulled over for a BS reason so i said no. As you might imagine that got the cop all fired up as to why i didn't want to give him my id... I ended up giving him my ID in order to avoid my brother getting a ticket..
I have a buddy that drove an old Nissan PU. it has a 1 7/8 ball on the bumper that he used occasionally for hauling a small trailer. He was stopped by a cop for having an obstructed license plate On the way back from the gym. He was questioned for a bout 30 min then let go...
I guess my point is there are so many "small infractions" that are rarely cited, but of only 2 real uses. Punish people who fail the attitude test, or a reason to make a "contact"... I feel that a cop could spend his whole shift writing small infractions, because they don't bad laws are on the books, and laws are selectively enforced.
BTW i think Cops have a Crappy job, mainly because there are a lot of Jag off politicians that spend time writing bad laws. The last few nice days remind me of one, like ban on Floating the Nooksack river in Tubes. another bad law that LEOs "have to" enforce...
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Good post Special T. I hear your frustration. First, as of about a year go we cannot ask for the passengers ID any more for no reason. As a cop this sucks! As for you I guess its a good thing. Used to make a lot of good arrests from this all the time. Pull a car over and there's a turd sittin in the passenger seat. You know he's either good for warrants or got dope on him so I'd get his ID and hope to get him on something. Got a POS that had a Murder warrant this way once. Thats good Police work in my mind and now that tool has been taken away from us. This is only for our very liberal 9th circuit court! I'm not sure what the solution to making everyone happy is or your solution but if we didn't do a little digging at times and not make all these traffic stops we wouldn't be arresting half these *censored* bags and they'd be running around in our communities doing what they do best. As for your BS laws I can't tell you how many times I've tried running a plate but couldn't because of the ball. Do I make those stops sometimes yes, do I write tickets for that no. As far as the mud flaps goes...hahahaha I used to get pulled over weekly when I was a kid and didn't have the proper mud flaps on my jacked up yota so I can relate.
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Good post Special T. I hear your frustration. First, as of about a year go we cannot ask for the passengers ID any more for no reason. As a cop this sucks! As for you I guess its a good thing. Used to make a lot of good arrests from this all the time. Pull a car over and there's a turd sittin in the passenger seat. You know he's either good for warrants or got dope on him so I'd get his ID and hope to get him on something. Got a POS that had a Murder warrant this way once. Thats good Police work in my mind and now that tool has been taken away from us. This is only for our very liberal 9th circuit court! I'm not sure what the solution to making everyone happy is or your solution but if we didn't do a little digging at times and not make all these traffic stops we wouldn't be arresting half these *censored* bags and they'd be running around in our communities doing what they do best. As for your BS laws I can't tell you how many times I've tried running a plate but couldn't because of the ball. Do I make those stops sometimes yes, do I write tickets for that no. As far as the mud flaps goes...hahahaha I used to get pulled over weekly when I was a kid and didn't have the proper mud flaps on my jacked up yota so I can relate.
Isn't the ruling that the passenger isn't required to give you the ID if you ask? Meaning that you can ask, but if they know their rights, they don't have to agree. It sounds a lot to me like it's a 4th Amendment issue. Although I have no problem with LE and cooperate fully with them (and, I value them), the safety net that the 4th Amendment provides is essential. You may well miss an opportunity to bag a real bad guy because of this ruling, but the potential for abuse to the general population is always the top concern.
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Swatson... You just confirmed what i was saying... "Thats good Police work in my mind and now that tool has been taken away from us." I believe that you Leo's would need less tools if we had bigger jails! :bash: my record is a clean as the wind driven snow, but it still bothers me.. Your not the only LEO that has talked about the various "tools" out there for them to use... You see my main beef is the revolving door at the court house... Lots of POS are regulars and have a rap sheet several pages long.
Most "Infractions" use $$$ fines to modify behavior... They substitue time in jail for money. I beleive its percieved that it is more cost effective. So lets say i get some BS infration... I have an personal example... I was driving N on I5 in lane 2 ans some A$$hat in lane 1 dropps his CD, Hat, Crackpipe, whatever and drifts onto the shoulder. When this genious hits the rumble strip he jerks the wheel and sends his geo metro perpendicular to traffic. I'm towing a heavy ass trailers, so as i see this waste of oxygen driff off the road i down shift. As he jerks his wheel I brake. As he tries to kill himself by putting his drivers door into my big ass truck and trialer i change into lane 3 sparing his worthless life, pushing his tire to his engine block... In the rush to clear the scene by Staters i recieve a ticket for failing to avoid an accedent. The waste of oxygen has no insurance of course.... Now i'm faced with paying the fine which is about 200 bucks plus the increases in mycompany insurance, which will hit me much harder... Because it is in SnoHo county i spend a whole day fighting the ticket...
The state equates time as $$$ for punishment... Well the ticked got kicked out so i didn't have it on my insurance or have to pay the $200... BUT my time is worth something right? I had to take time away from my work... So i am punished also... If you agree that time is money and the reverse is true then ANY contact with a LEO is bad contact for law abiding Citizen UNLESS its to fill out paperwork for insurance.
So i hate "Tools" of the trade becuse we imflict damages on good people with tools, and let bad people reoffend over and over, creating a need for cops tools. :bash:
I have friends that are LEO's and have family friends that are/were. 99% of cops are great people but I DON"T WANT TO SEE THEM WHILE THEY ARE WORKING! :twocents:
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"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Wow 7 Mag!!!! Your right we just do a lot of guess work in this business! Thats sarcasm and I'm hoping that was some sarcasm from you because if that was the case and making all these unlawful arrests I'd probably lose my job real quick! On the upside, 7 Mag is correct in his responses! Quit poppin off, we don't need anymore booger eaters on this site!
I think you took my comment the wrong way. I have the utmost respect for LEO's and what they do for our communities. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but the simlpe fact is, that I have asked many questions of many different officers regarding concealed carry and open carry and I have recieved many different answers. This is leads me to believe that many officers do not know all the laws that they are asked to enforce. I don't blame the officers, they aren't recquired to attend law school, or any thing that in depth, but the fact remains.
I have had officers tell me that I can not carry concealed ever, without a CCP, and I have also been told by an officer that open carry is illegal in this state. Both untrue.
So it is reasonable for me to assume that many officers don't know all the laws, and also to assume that no officers know all the laws, so I do not rely on them for information.
As far as eating boogers.....what I do with my boogers is my business......unless you arrest me, then I promise not to wipe them on the back of your seat.
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I know of a few people who have gotten a ticket for carrying concealed while hunting with no permit. That being said it sounds like it is legal to do so from the verbage you have provided. Personally I have been stopped/talked by many sheriffs from many counties and none have ever asked to see my conceal permit even when it is obvious I am carrying. This doesn't prove anything either way, Just want to put this out there.
My :twocents: get the permit its not expensive and will save you the hassle, its great to ask for opinions on a board like this but make sure to always seek professional advice when something is of importance.
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Just last year when I was elk hunting and we drove by a game warden that had setp up and was checking people driving down the road. He checked our rifles but even after we all told him that we were all carrying loaded pistols on our hips he didn't even bother checking them. Some know the laws and wont hassle you over things you know are correct. Even if you know you're rigth I would not suggest arguing with any law enforcement about it. It's easier to have the permit and not use it often. I have had mine since I turned 21. Do I carry everyday? Not even close, but occasionally I do. I can't carry while working so that leaves me just a couple of days a week I could possibly carry. Even then it's not an everyday thing for me.
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A right not used is a right lost!. People that avoid open carry for convenience are doing themselves and others a disservice. If people don't see polite clean cut citizens with openly displayed guns they will have a skewed view of gun owners.
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A right not used is a right !
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If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not. Just like if you have a loaded pistol in your car and it is not on your person when you are in the car(can not be tucked between your leg and seat), you would be in violation. Besides it don't do any good in your back pack if you need it.
That is untrue. It does not have to be "on your person". It can be under your seat, or on the seat next to you, or in the glove box. You can carry it in your backpack, or purse, or fanny pack. There is a lot of misinformation on concealed carry out there. Believe it or not, Washington is one of the most lax states concerning concealed carry. Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.