Post by: HoofsandWings on June 17, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
I don't think I have locked my car or house for 50 years.
I have a carry permit for hiking to protect the dog.
Just wondering.
Post by: coyotewallace on June 17, 2011, 09:48:22 PM
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
Nope(I don't) and Nope
reason??
Like the old saying goes...
I would rather have it and not need it, then to not have it and need it
Post by: Hunterman on June 17, 2011, 09:55:03 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: FC on June 17, 2011, 09:57:45 PM
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
Post by: kenzmad on June 17, 2011, 10:01:01 PM
kenzmad
Post by: goosegetter79 on June 17, 2011, 10:03:27 PM
Post by: cwuwildcat on June 17, 2011, 10:09:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 17, 2011, 10:09:54 PM
Post by: Jamieb on June 17, 2011, 10:19:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 17, 2011, 10:25:00 PM
:dunno:
I plan to get my permit one of these days pretty soon but I probably will still mostly not carry.
:yike:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 17, 2011, 10:26:18 PM
Post by: True Sportsman on June 17, 2011, 10:44:47 PM
I live in Spanaway, and you never know when I'm carrying..I started carrying again after 4 Lakewood Police Officers were murdered, and an armored car employee was murdered..5 deaths from worthless piles of crap. I don't live in a "BAD" area, but as I have told more than one cop,,,I will always have your backs..
Hunterman(Tony)
I like that logic...
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 17, 2011, 11:09:21 PM
There is something about being prepared for violence, awareness, having backup, being armed and well trained. Most civilians don't have access to radio backup or training. We don't expect that problem employee (or spouse) to walk through your door with criminal intent.
http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf)
Post by: HoofsandWings on June 18, 2011, 07:10:03 AM
A great place to askWhen I went to the police station to get a permit, I asked about carrying while hiking. I specifically asked about carrying in a backpack and was told by the officer that if I did that, I would need a permit.
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
Post by: BPturkeys on June 18, 2011, 07:24:20 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 18, 2011, 07:35:28 AM
He gave you incorrect informaton.A great place to askWhen I went to the police station to get a permit, I asked about carrying while hiking. I specifically asked about carrying in a backpack and was told by the officer that if I did that, I would need a permit.
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
Post by: cwuwildcat on June 18, 2011, 07:49:22 AM
A great place to askWhen I went to the police station to get a permit, I asked about carrying while hiking. I specifically asked about carrying in a backpack and was told by the officer that if I did that, I would need a permit.
No
Not anymore
You are begging to get robbed, locks keep the mostly honest: honest
If you are out hiking or engaging in some other lawful outdoor activity etc you don't need a permit to carry concealed or otherwise
It's like a seatbelt, I haven't needed one of those for quite a long time either but I wear it every time I get in a car.
Never trust a cop giving "legal" advice. Section 8 here applies. This is a list of exceptions to needing a license to carry concealed, under 9.41.050. When people go to court, they hire attorneys, not cops, to represent them because cops tend to give "legal" advise that makes their life easier, or what they've learned on the streets, which isn't always correct.
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
*** CHANGE IN 2011 *** (SEE 1041-S.SL) ***
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(1) Marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens or their deputies, or other law enforcement officers of this state or another state;
(2) Members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves, when on duty;
(3) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed pistol;
(4) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of the person, if possessing, using, or carrying a pistol in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(5) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive pistols from the United States or from this state;
(6) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting, when those members are at or are going to or from their places of target practice;
(7) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of modern and antique firearm collecting, when those members are at or are going to or from their collector's gun shows and exhibits;
(8.) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper; or
(10) Law enforcement officers retired for service or physical disabilities, except for those law enforcement officers retired because of mental or stress-related disabilities. This subsection applies only to a retired officer who has: (a) Obtained documentation from a law enforcement agency within Washington state from which he or she retired that is signed by the agency's chief law enforcement officer and that states that the retired officer was retired for service or physical disability; and (b) not been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity of a crime making him or her ineligible for a concealed pistol license.
Post by: Wazukie on June 18, 2011, 08:38:58 AM
Post by: HuntandFish on June 18, 2011, 08:48:06 AM
My :twocents: get the permit its not expensive and will save you the hassle, its great to ask for opinions on a board like this but make sure to always seek professional advice when something is of importance.
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2011, 08:50:42 AM
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Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
[quote](8.) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
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Assuming you're not walking down Main Street USA carrying a loaded pistol in your pack and you are actually hiking, hunting, fishing, etc as mentioned above, it sure sounds legal to me to carry without a permit.
:dunno:
Post by: bobcat on June 18, 2011, 09:04:16 AM
If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not.
Not if you're "engaged in a lawful recreational activity."
Post by: Alchase on June 20, 2011, 12:40:47 PM
I live in a great neighborhood (well, as good as it gets on the wet side), LOL
I carry because I like to be prepared, and the police and Sheriff can only react after a situation. I have to be able to react during the situation.
Besides most of the Sheriff's Deputies here are to big to fit on my hip :dunno: .
I would encourage everyone to obtain their CPL. Even if you do not wish to carry, or carry often. Numbers matter, I guarantee if 90% of this state had a CPL, no law restricting ownership rights would ever be written or become law.
The most important reason I carry, it is the only right we have that "ensures" we keep all the others. I firmly believe if we do not use it we will loose it.
Post by: Little Dave on June 20, 2011, 01:05:30 PM
So as you are going down the road, watch out for the three out of four and wear a seatbelt. :chuckle:
Post by: dawei on June 20, 2011, 01:23:00 PM
I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary
place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil
in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of
government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life
hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed,
and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to
be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of
themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because being unarmed and facing three armed
thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it
meaningful to me.
Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect
themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too
old to take an ass kickin'.
"Be who you are and say what you feel....Because those that
matter....don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter
Post by: bradslam on June 21, 2011, 10:54:39 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on June 21, 2011, 11:29:53 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2011, 11:34:53 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on June 21, 2011, 11:39:21 AM
This may not be the place to ask, but I read about many who regularly carry every day.SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG: BUT YOU DON'T NEED A CARRY PERMIT TO CARRY WHILE HIKING/FISHING/HUNTING/ECT....
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
I don't think I have locked my car or house for 50 years.
I have a carry permit for hiking to protect the dog.
Just wondering.
Post by: Swatson on June 21, 2011, 11:51:40 AM
Post by: Swatson on June 21, 2011, 11:53:08 AM
I live in Spanaway, and you never know when I'm carrying..I started carrying again after 4 Lakewood Police Officers were murdered, and an armored car employee was murdered..5 deaths from worthless piles of crap. I don't live in a "BAD" area, but as I have told more than one cop,,,I will always have your backs..
Hunterman(Tony)
I like this guy! :tup:
Post by: BIGINNER on June 21, 2011, 11:54:16 AM
You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
SORRY, I MENT TO SAY YOU CAN CARRY CONCEALED WHILE DOING THOSE ACTIVITIES
Post by: FC on June 21, 2011, 12:52:26 PM
You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/)
Loaded guns will be allowed in Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon and other national parks under a new law that takes effect Monday.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060)
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
No need for a concealed permit when hiking, fishing, hunting etc.
Post by: Swatson on June 21, 2011, 12:53:43 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 21, 2011, 01:04:02 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on June 22, 2011, 10:38:11 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on June 22, 2011, 10:47:15 AM
I carry 98% of the time i leave my house. Going for a run is about the only time it is impractical, though I used to go running in college with a gun due to country/farm dogs.
Be careful with open carry. When I left WA a few years ago I knew of no statute specifically authorizing open carry. The problem you can run into is that someone can always call 911 and say you're brandishing a firearm or trying to intimidate and if a liberal cop responds he may be more sympathetic to the caller than to you, even if you were minding your own business.
Tactically speaking its usually better for your firearm to be concealed. This is often the case even though it takes you an extra step to present it to the threat. I open carry in the woods because the animals wont know the difference. I can respect the position of those who like to open carry to make a political statement--but I choose to do other things with my time.
Post by: cwuwildcat on June 22, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
Be careful with open carry. When I left WA a few years ago I knew of no statute specifically authorizing open carry. The problem you can run into is that someone can always call 911 and say you're brandishing a firearm or trying to intimidate and if a liberal cop responds he may be more sympathetic to the caller than to you, even if you were minding your own business.
There is no statute that allows open carry, because washington state is "If it's not specifically illegal by law, then it's legal". There is no RCW that makes open carry illegal, hence it's legal. There is some wording in an RCW that can make it a slightly gray area;
RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
A couple of guys have been rung up by this, but others have successfully fought it. It all depends on how much of a dick that you, the cop and the prosecutor want to be! Both parts highlighted have to be true, not just the first.
Post by: 7mag. on June 22, 2011, 12:58:46 PM
If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not. Just like if you have a loaded pistol in your car and it is not on your person when you are in the car(can not be tucked between your leg and seat), you would be in violation. Besides it don't do any good in your back pack if you need it.
That is untrue. It does not have to be "on your person". It can be under your seat, or on the seat next to you, or in the glove box. You can carry it in your backpack, or purse, or fanny pack. There is a lot of misinformation on concealed carry out there. Believe it or not, Washington is one of the most lax states concerning concealed carry. Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are.
Post by: CP on June 22, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
Post by: 7mag. on June 22, 2011, 01:19:48 PM
You should read RCW 9.41.050
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
It says (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there,
That is not restricted to "on your person".
It is an acceptable condition like (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person,
As long as you meet an acceptable condition you are within the law. You don't have to meet them all simultaneously, ie; on your person, in the vehicle that is locked.
Post by: Swatson on June 22, 2011, 01:32:14 PM
Wow 7 Mag!!!! Your right we just do a lot of guess work in this business! Thats sarcasm and I'm hoping that was some sarcasm from you because if that was the case and making all these unlawful arrests I'd probably lose my job real quick! On the upside, 7 Mag is correct in his responses! Quit poppin off, we don't need anymore booger eaters on this site!
Post by: FC on June 22, 2011, 01:43:27 PM
"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Swatson this has been my experience as well. I have had some pretty crazy advice given to me by cops and you yourself gave some incorrect info earlier in this thread :twocents:
Post by: Alchase on June 22, 2011, 01:45:12 PM
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
Post by: MikeWalking on June 22, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
Nope(I don't) and Nope
reason??
Like the old saying goes...
I would rather have it and not need it, then to not have it and need it
After a couple encounters with Dogs gone feral... Got it because I'd be packing it from home to trail...etc
Post by: Swatson on June 22, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Swatson this has been my experience as well. I have had some pretty crazy advice given to me by cops and you yourself gave some incorrect info earlier in this thread :twocents:
Nope, just went and reread what I told you and that is correct. Please explain.
Post by: FC on June 22, 2011, 01:55:57 PM
You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
Here ya go Swatson, if you want to get into it over this...You can get mad all you want but it is legal to carry concealed or open while hiking, hunting, fishing etc or traveling to/from such or any other lawful outdoor activities. It is also legal to do so in National Parks!
I've had so much BS fobbed off as law by cops to me that it isn't even funny, I am not going to get into a debate over this but your "booger eater" comments are going a little far and most folks know the actual truth of this matter.
Post by: Swatson on June 22, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
As long as you have CPL. I actually know someone that has mounted something similar on the right side of their steering wheel under the dash. He was also himmed up by a rookie right out of the academy during a traffic stop until a senior Officer arrived and straightened things out. Obviously this is a very complicated law and no matter how much they teach and pound these laws into the recruits at the academy there still gonna come out a little confused sometimes. I would say that most cops are squared away on the gun laws and if they aren't or are in some doubt they will or at least should make damn sure before issuing a citation or hooking someone up.
Post by: MikeWalking on June 22, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
Getting the right to carry in NP's was a big one.... I always did anyway :rolleyes:
Post by: Special T on June 22, 2011, 02:01:18 PM
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
Post by: Swatson on June 22, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
You can carry wherever you want without a permit as long as its not concealed. Minus bars, courthouse, national parks, etc. Washington is an open carry state. If your gonna conceal it though you have to a have a permit.
Here ya go Swatson, if you want to get into it over this...You can get mad all you want but it is legal to carry concealed or open while hiking, hunting, fishing etc or traveling to/from such or any other lawful outdoor activities. It is also legal to do so in National Parks!
I've had so much BS fobbed off as law by cops to me that it isn't even funny, I am not going to get into a debate over this but your "booger eater" comments are going a little far and most folks know the actual truth of this matter.
hahaha relax buddy, I didn't inform you on every gun law, I was just simply addressing the "open carry" part of this!!!!!!
Post by: Swatson on June 22, 2011, 02:11:07 PM
Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
Here we go, everyones getting worked up! Special T, first let me explain to you how this stuff works, I don't need Probable Cause(PC) to talk to anyone! You need PC to arrest people not to talk to them. PC means that more likely than not the person committed the crime(51%) I can talk to anyone I want and thats their right if they choose to talk back! Those BS small infractions aren't made by us, our job is enforce them. I also get discretion on whether I educate or enforce on these "BS infractions." If you don't agree with these violations take it up with the appropriate people!
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2011, 02:15:07 PM
Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
I don't share your experience with LE. The very few occasions I've had to deal with them, they were courteous and usually let me off. I've never been searched, never been asked if I was carrying, and haven't been written up on "BS" infractions. You must be very unlucky. Sorry to hear.
Post by: Alchase on June 22, 2011, 02:19:02 PM
Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
As long as you have CPL. I actually know someone that has mounted something similar on the right side of their steering wheel under the dash. He was also himmed up by a rookie right out of the academy during a traffic stop until a senior Officer arrived and straightened things out. Obviously this is a very complicated law and no matter how much they teach and pound these laws into the recruits at the academy there still gonna come out a little confused sometimes. I would say that most cops are squared away on the gun laws and if they aren't or are in some doubt they will or at least should make damn sure before issuing a citation or hooking someone up.
Thank you,
Now I can get creative with a few of my extra holsters, LOL
Post by: Alchase on June 22, 2011, 02:22:57 PM
Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
I don't share your experience with LE. The very few occasions I've had to deal with them, they were courteous and usually let me off. I've never been searched, never been asked if I was carrying, and haven't been written up on "BS" infractions. You must be very unlucky. Sorry to hear.
I have nothing but respect for the Pierce County Sherif's department, they are spread very thin, and have served us in my community (I live in Sterling Ridge) extremely well.
Post by: Swatson on June 22, 2011, 02:24:15 PM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on June 22, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
I don't share your experience with LE. The very few occasions I've had to deal with them, they were courteous and usually let me off. I've never been searched, never been asked if I was carrying, and haven't been written up on "BS" infractions. You must be very unlucky. Sorry to hear.
I have nothing but respect for the Pierce County Sherif's department, they are spread very thin, and have served us in my community (I live in Sterling Ridge) extremely well.
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:yeah:
Likewise. LEO now days are in a freaking war. It isn't like the Barney Fife days of the 50's and 60's. I have nothing but respect for those in local LE. The bad guys are armed to the teeth and LEO get shot and killed on a regular basis now days. I am always friendly and courteous and if I can, I will buy their coffee and say thanks.
You bet. That being said, don't be surprised if you get stopped and removed from your vehicle until the contact is over. You gotta be outta your mind if you think I'm gonna go back to my patrol car knowing you have a pistol mounted on your dash! I'd probably have you sit on your back bumper until I was done with my stop. That saying most Police Officers are all for gun rights and very pro gun. Not all but most!
If this happens to me I will sit on my bumper like a lamb. I totally understand.
Post by: Alchase on June 22, 2011, 03:38:25 PM
I always wanted to be in law enforcement, but I soon realized that I do not have the patience to deal with everyday idiotic situations they have to go through. Honestly I do not think I could restrain myself if I came a crossed some a$$ that hurts children in any way. I am a firm believer that "sometimes" an a$$ kicking is needed to solve the vast majority of the problems we face. That would not go over well as a sworn officer.
My advice to anyone who wonders what it is like to be a law enforcement officer, do a ride-a-long program with them. It will open your eyes to reality from an Officer's point of view.
Post by: runamuk on June 22, 2011, 03:50:08 PM
I've had cops in my home a few times and its just not an issue ever... I am not a criminal and my ownership of guns has been considered pretty normal :dunno: I also have always lived in the BFE areas of this state maybe thats the difference...
Post by: Alchase on June 22, 2011, 03:54:46 PM
J/K Run
Post by: runamuk on June 22, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
Payback for being the annoying twit going slow in the left lane, lol :chuckle:
J/K Run
OH nonono I do not go slow in left lane :yike: :bdid: if I hit left lane its pedal on the floor so I can get out of those peoples way :chuckle: my new ride only has 4 chipmonks under the hood so I dread hitting the passing lane tough getting them chippy's wound up enough to pass much of anything :bash: :bash:
Post by: goosegetter79 on June 22, 2011, 04:46:43 PM
Payback for being the annoying twit going slow in the left lane, lol :chuckle:
J/K Run
OH nonono I do not go slow in left lane :yike: :bdid: if I hit left lane its pedal on the floor so I can get out of those peoples way :chuckle: my new ride only has 4 chipmonks under the hood so I dread hitting the passing lane tough getting them chippy's wound up enough to pass much of anything :bash: :bash:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: dawei on June 22, 2011, 04:52:42 PM
Quote from: runamuk
I have been pulled over TWICE ( knock on wood toss salt etc) ....and the most recent one was after I had gotten my cpl...tossed him my license which also has my cpl in the same thingy he asked very nicely if I was carrying or there was a weapon in my rig I said no its not allowed at work or on their property, so he proceeded to give me a lecture about speeding I never used to speed usually I am that annoying twit who is going the speed limit but after work I just wanted to get home ASAP that nightPlease, what is BFE an acronym for?
I've had cops in my home a few times and its just not an issue ever... I am not a criminal and my ownership of guns has been considered pretty normal. I also have always lived in the BFE areas of this state maybe thats the difference...
Post by: runamuk on June 22, 2011, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: runamukI have been pulled over TWICE ( knock on wood toss salt etc) ....and the most recent one was after I had gotten my cpl...tossed him my license which also has my cpl in the same thingy he asked very nicely if I was carrying or there was a weapon in my rig I said no its not allowed at work or on their property, so he proceeded to give me a lecture about speeding I never used to speed usually I am that annoying twit who is going the speed limit but after work I just wanted to get home ASAP that nightPlease, what is BFE an acronym for?
I've had cops in my home a few times and its just not an issue ever... I am not a criminal and my ownership of guns has been considered pretty normal. I also have always lived in the BFE areas of this state maybe thats the difference...
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Post by: dawei on June 22, 2011, 04:59:08 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 22, 2011, 05:59:15 PM
This may not be the place to ask, but I read about many who regularly carry every day.
Do those that carry live in dangerous places? Have dangerous jobs?
I don't think I have locked my car or house for 50 years.
I have a carry permit for hiking to protect the dog.
Just wondering.
Crime is everywhere. Sure I don't live in South Seattle or Tacoma, but there is enough where I'm at to justify locking doors and packing on occasion. I may not take it if I have to go to the grocery store, but if I am going out to the forest wouldn't want to leave it behind. The forests have very little LE and lots of criminals.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on June 23, 2011, 05:58:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 23, 2011, 10:26:27 AM
Post by: Alchase on June 23, 2011, 12:48:07 PM
Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
Post by: MikeWalking on June 23, 2011, 01:32:38 PM
Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
I remember a story about the NRA taking the case of a person fired for having a Firearm in their car, deal was though, the car was not parked on the employers property. I think it was a School District. I'd be very surprised to see a law that stopped an employer from banning certain items on their property.
Post by: CP on June 23, 2011, 01:35:07 PM
Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
I remember a story about the NRA taking the case of a person fired for having a Firearm in their car, deal was though, the car was not parked on the employers property. I think it was a School District. I'd be very surprised to see a law that stopped an employer from banning certain items on their property.
Some states (Kansas for example) have such laws, but WA does not.
Post by: runamuk on June 23, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
My employer was a sovereign nation our laws didn't apply on their land ;)
Post by: cwuwildcat on June 23, 2011, 01:36:35 PM
Runamuk, there was a law recently passed that prohibits an employer from telling you that you cannot have a weapon in your car in their parking lot. I cannot remember the specifics, but that was the just of it.
Seriously? Anyone have any info on this one?
I remember a story about the NRA taking the case of a person fired for having a Firearm in their car, deal was though, the car was not parked on the employers property. I think it was a School District. I'd be very surprised to see a law that stopped an employer from banning certain items on their property.
I frequent opencarry.org/washington, and this is a hot topic right now. It is legal for the business to ban you from having a firearm in your car if on the business' lot, or fire you if caught, because it's still their property you're parked on. If there were a law prohibiting it, it's news to those guys.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on June 23, 2011, 05:34:36 PM
Post by: WA hunter14 on June 23, 2011, 05:36:29 PM
Post by: Bofire on June 23, 2011, 05:49:56 PM
Post by: Caseyd on June 23, 2011, 05:59:50 PM
Swatson, I have a question that you might be able to clarify for me. I have seen some ingenious handgun mounting options on a couple of the CPL and Handgun forums, It would be nice to be able to remove my handgun from my IWB holster, and place it in a mounted holster with easy access when driving? I use a safe with a cable attached when not wearing it now, but I would really like to just mount an extra holster within reach.
I was confused if it was "legal" in Washington
As long as you have CPL. I actually know someone that has mounted something similar on the right side of their steering wheel under the dash. He was also himmed up by a rookie right out of the academy during a traffic stop until a senior Officer arrived and straightened things out. Obviously this is a very complicated law and no matter how much they teach and pound these laws into the recruits at the academy there still gonna come out a little confused sometimes. I would say that most cops are squared away on the gun laws and if they aren't or are in some doubt they will or at least should make damn sure before issuing a citation or hooking someone up.
Thank you,
Now I can get creative with a few of my extra holsters, LOL
Thats a great idea :tup:
I do believe if you have passengers in the car then it has to be "on the person" :dunno: can someone clarify that
At least thats how ive always done it. By myself ill sometimes take it out of IWB but if I have passengers without permits I keep it on me. :dunno:
Post by: Swatson on June 23, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
Post by: Special T on June 23, 2011, 11:49:17 PM
Your always doing something illegal! Either the cops choose not to enforce it, don't know the law, or there is some "other" enforcement agency that is suposed to come after you...
I have had many a conversation with a LEO about BS small infractions... They are used as a "Tool" so that they have probable cause to question you... Not to mention if you fail the "Attitude test" that tool becomes an infraction.
Here we go, everyones getting worked up! Special T, first let me explain to you how this stuff works, I don't need Probable Cause(PC) to talk to anyone! You need PC to arrest people not to talk to them. PC means that more likely than not the person committed the crime(51%) I can talk to anyone I want and thats their right if they choose to talk back! Those BS small infractions aren't made by us, our job is enforce them. I also get discretion on whether I educate or enforce on these "BS infractions." If you don't agree with these violations take it up with the appropriate people!
I think i need to clarify a couple of things... First off i do my best not to have negative contact with the Law... 2nd i NEVER fail the attitude test when talking to LEO's... It keeps me in the "Education" category, give a cop grief get a ticket... Say your yes Sirs and no Mams and you got a chance...
Let me tell you a real story... I was riding as a passenger in my brothers truck, it was late and we were headed back to his place in the Renton Highlands. Cop pulls us over because the cop felt that his mudflaps did not come to the center line of the axle. He got my brothers drivers lic and proof of insurance...while one officer was checkin on his info the other cop asked me for my id... Now it might be a reasonable request, but i thought we were pulled over for a BS reason so i said no. As you might imagine that got the cop all fired up as to why i didn't want to give him my id... I ended up giving him my ID in order to avoid my brother getting a ticket..
I have a buddy that drove an old Nissan PU. it has a 1 7/8 ball on the bumper that he used occasionally for hauling a small trailer. He was stopped by a cop for having an obstructed license plate On the way back from the gym. He was questioned for a bout 30 min then let go...
I guess my point is there are so many "small infractions" that are rarely cited, but of only 2 real uses. Punish people who fail the attitude test, or a reason to make a "contact"... I feel that a cop could spend his whole shift writing small infractions, because they don't bad laws are on the books, and laws are selectively enforced.
BTW i think Cops have a Crappy job, mainly because there are a lot of Jag off politicians that spend time writing bad laws. The last few nice days remind me of one, like ban on Floating the Nooksack river in Tubes. another bad law that LEOs "have to" enforce...
Post by: Swatson on June 24, 2011, 08:40:37 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 24, 2011, 08:50:18 AM
Good post Special T. I hear your frustration. First, as of about a year go we cannot ask for the passengers ID any more for no reason. As a cop this sucks! As for you I guess its a good thing. Used to make a lot of good arrests from this all the time. Pull a car over and there's a turd sittin in the passenger seat. You know he's either good for warrants or got dope on him so I'd get his ID and hope to get him on something. Got a POS that had a Murder warrant this way once. Thats good Police work in my mind and now that tool has been taken away from us. This is only for our very liberal 9th circuit court! I'm not sure what the solution to making everyone happy is or your solution but if we didn't do a little digging at times and not make all these traffic stops we wouldn't be arresting half these *censored* bags and they'd be running around in our communities doing what they do best. As for your BS laws I can't tell you how many times I've tried running a plate but couldn't because of the ball. Do I make those stops sometimes yes, do I write tickets for that no. As far as the mud flaps goes...hahahaha I used to get pulled over weekly when I was a kid and didn't have the proper mud flaps on my jacked up yota so I can relate.
Isn't the ruling that the passenger isn't required to give you the ID if you ask? Meaning that you can ask, but if they know their rights, they don't have to agree. It sounds a lot to me like it's a 4th Amendment issue. Although I have no problem with LE and cooperate fully with them (and, I value them), the safety net that the 4th Amendment provides is essential. You may well miss an opportunity to bag a real bad guy because of this ruling, but the potential for abuse to the general population is always the top concern.
Post by: Special T on June 24, 2011, 11:39:44 AM
Most "Infractions" use $$$ fines to modify behavior... They substitue time in jail for money. I beleive its percieved that it is more cost effective. So lets say i get some BS infration... I have an personal example... I was driving N on I5 in lane 2 ans some A$$hat in lane 1 dropps his CD, Hat, Crackpipe, whatever and drifts onto the shoulder. When this genious hits the rumble strip he jerks the wheel and sends his geo metro perpendicular to traffic. I'm towing a heavy ass trailers, so as i see this waste of oxygen driff off the road i down shift. As he jerks his wheel I brake. As he tries to kill himself by putting his drivers door into my big ass truck and trialer i change into lane 3 sparing his worthless life, pushing his tire to his engine block... In the rush to clear the scene by Staters i recieve a ticket for failing to avoid an accedent. The waste of oxygen has no insurance of course.... Now i'm faced with paying the fine which is about 200 bucks plus the increases in mycompany insurance, which will hit me much harder... Because it is in SnoHo county i spend a whole day fighting the ticket...
The state equates time as $$$ for punishment... Well the ticked got kicked out so i didn't have it on my insurance or have to pay the $200... BUT my time is worth something right? I had to take time away from my work... So i am punished also... If you agree that time is money and the reverse is true then ANY contact with a LEO is bad contact for law abiding Citizen UNLESS its to fill out paperwork for insurance.
So i hate "Tools" of the trade becuse we imflict damages on good people with tools, and let bad people reoffend over and over, creating a need for cops tools. :bash:
I have friends that are LEO's and have family friends that are/were. 99% of cops are great people but I DON"T WANT TO SEE THEM WHILE THEY ARE WORKING! :twocents:
Post by: 7mag. on June 24, 2011, 04:38:34 PM
"Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are."
Wow 7 Mag!!!! Your right we just do a lot of guess work in this business! Thats sarcasm and I'm hoping that was some sarcasm from you because if that was the case and making all these unlawful arrests I'd probably lose my job real quick! On the upside, 7 Mag is correct in his responses! Quit poppin off, we don't need anymore booger eaters on this site!
I think you took my comment the wrong way. I have the utmost respect for LEO's and what they do for our communities. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but the simlpe fact is, that I have asked many questions of many different officers regarding concealed carry and open carry and I have recieved many different answers. This is leads me to believe that many officers do not know all the laws that they are asked to enforce. I don't blame the officers, they aren't recquired to attend law school, or any thing that in depth, but the fact remains.
I have had officers tell me that I can not carry concealed ever, without a CCP, and I have also been told by an officer that open carry is illegal in this state. Both untrue.
So it is reasonable for me to assume that many officers don't know all the laws, and also to assume that no officers know all the laws, so I do not rely on them for information.
As far as eating boogers.....what I do with my boogers is my business......unless you arrest me, then I promise not to wipe them on the back of your seat.
Post by: Jburke on June 25, 2011, 01:27:48 AM
I know of a few people who have gotten a ticket for carrying concealed while hunting with no permit. That being said it sounds like it is legal to do so from the verbage you have provided. Personally I have been stopped/talked by many sheriffs from many counties and none have ever asked to see my conceal permit even when it is obvious I am carrying. This doesn't prove anything either way, Just want to put this out there.:yeah:
My :twocents: get the permit its not expensive and will save you the hassle, its great to ask for opinions on a board like this but make sure to always seek professional advice when something is of importance.
Just last year when I was elk hunting and we drove by a game warden that had setp up and was checking people driving down the road. He checked our rifles but even after we all told him that we were all carrying loaded pistols on our hips he didn't even bother checking them. Some know the laws and wont hassle you over things you know are correct. Even if you know you're rigth I would not suggest arguing with any law enforcement about it. It's easier to have the permit and not use it often. I have had mine since I turned 21. Do I carry everyday? Not even close, but occasionally I do. I can't carry while working so that leaves me just a couple of days a week I could possibly carry. Even then it's not an everyday thing for me.
Post by: Special T on June 25, 2011, 08:39:51 AM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on June 25, 2011, 08:56:07 AM
A right not used is a right !:tup:
Post by: KillBilly on June 25, 2011, 09:18:19 AM
If you carry a loaded pistol in your back pack, i believe you would be in violation whether you had a permit or not. Just like if you have a loaded pistol in your car and it is not on your person when you are in the car(can not be tucked between your leg and seat), you would be in violation. Besides it don't do any good in your back pack if you need it.
That is untrue. It does not have to be "on your person". It can be under your seat, or on the seat next to you, or in the glove box. You can carry it in your backpack, or purse, or fanny pack. There is a lot of misinformation on concealed carry out there. Believe it or not, Washington is one of the most lax states concerning concealed carry. Don't ask a cop, they have no idea what the laws actually are.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.