Post by: brianfl79 on October 17, 2011, 04:42:59 PM
So, I was wondering why anyone would be so selfish as to "hunt" in the back country with a motorcycle (or any ATV for that matter)? Hiked in several miles opening morning to hunt an area over 6000ft in elevation. A ways down the trail, here came the motorcycles!!!! It wasn't like they rode into an area then hiked to an spot to hunt either! We glassed um up all day by finding their motorcycles then looking within 100 yards of it! Absolutely disgusted at the lazy, selfish, unmotivated persons who had the nerve to do this! So long Entiat motorcycles. You have the woods to yourself...literally, cause you blew all the deer out from the noise your lazy motorcycles made! Bring on the comments!
Post by: rjn cajun on October 17, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: mallard79 on October 17, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
When I had a motorcycle, I used it to access areas that were open to them.....why not??? I also hiked that same trail ONCE.....never again. You have the same option at your disposal if you have a motorcycle..... :twocents:
If this was in a restricted area then I am sorry to hear that that happened to you.
Post by: muzzlebuck on October 17, 2011, 05:06:59 PM
Post by: Co on October 17, 2011, 05:21:45 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 17, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
mabye you should do a lil research next time...... Take some trails instead of roads, or tails closed to motorized... To me it sounds like barking up an empty tree... Which sounds ignorant. :mor: :chuckle:
While I partially agree, calling him ignorant is a bit harsh. I have been in PLENTY of motorized restricted areas and had atv's and motorcycles go cruising by me. I agree with the original post that it pisses me off but there isn't anything you can really do but head to some new area. Give the guy a break before you start calling him out. :twocents:
Post by: Dave B on October 17, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
Post by: bagmNtagm on October 17, 2011, 06:13:27 PM
Post by: Co on October 17, 2011, 06:17:48 PM
Post by: link on October 17, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 17, 2011, 06:26:06 PM
Last thing I expected :yike:
I honestly feel it bothers me more than it does the animals, they hear it all year long.
but then we have had deer and Elk walk through camp in July, they get smarter when it is hunting season.
Post by: Hunterman on October 17, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
:beatdeadhorse: :cryriver:
:yeah:
Every season someone snivels
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: KFhunter on October 17, 2011, 06:45:53 PM
killed a lot of deer just a 1/2 - 1 mile up a draw from the roadhunters, deer don't spook as far as you think
Post by: Shank on October 17, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
However if you were in a area that is not open to orv use, then you have every right to be upset. Nothing pisses me off more then seeing dirtbikes/quads, and even hunters in areas they are not supposed to be in. Its bad for all user groups involved. ok im done, i think, hope i made some sense hahaha
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 17, 2011, 07:08:28 PM
Must have been your first year hunting that area, because if its open to them they'll be up there every year. :twocents:
Exactly. People shouldn't bitch about motorcycles or ATVs when they don't have a clue about what they are talking about. Can't bitch if you don't investigate motorized access. :nono:
Post by: dannysdaddy on October 17, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 17, 2011, 07:18:56 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 17, 2011, 07:20:53 PM
tell ya what. the bikes and atv's don't scare them off. i have been hunting with an atv my whole life with no problems. quit crying. with your logic you should be walking from your house to hunt and not driving to the trail head. I do agree that the atv's should adhear to the rules as far as staying on the trails and whatnot. i have done my fare share of packing in and out of the back country and i know if there's motorized access to the area im gonna take my quad. grew up working smarter not harder :dunno:. don't blame the atv's for your misfortune or lack of planning whichever it may be... :twocents:
That's the way we like it, uhuh, uhuh..... :tup:
Post by: d_wilson on October 17, 2011, 07:22:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 17, 2011, 07:27:17 PM
Post by: kirkl on October 17, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Post by: buck man on October 18, 2011, 12:14:58 AM
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :bash:Must have been your first year hunting that area, because if its open to them they'll be up there every year. :twocents:
Exactly. People shouldn't bitch about motorcycles or ATVs when they don't have a clue about what they are talking about. Can't bitch if you don't investigate motorized access. :nono:
Post by: Deep Forks on October 18, 2011, 01:53:48 AM
Post by: 500 long on October 18, 2011, 02:38:57 AM
Post by: 500 long on October 18, 2011, 03:17:04 AM
Post by: Hilltop123 on October 18, 2011, 05:17:49 AM
Post by: leed on October 18, 2011, 07:54:51 AM
Post by: yakimarcher on October 18, 2011, 07:59:08 AM
Post by: quadrafire on October 18, 2011, 08:06:05 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 18, 2011, 08:07:42 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 18, 2011, 08:09:28 AM
I'm with you BrianFL79! ANYTHING that makes noise should not be used to hunt! Lazy, and you have no idea how many animals you passed up! ATV's, scooters, snowmobiles, etc, they all are worthless for hunting! Now, if noisy summer fun is what you want, have at it! Guess they'll hate me too but I don't give a crap! Noise doesn't belong in the outdoors!
Yes, and the anti-hunters would argue that we don't belong out there either. Everyone has their agenda. The question here must be: Were they riding and hunting legally? If yes, we need to support our fellow hunters regardless of our opinions about their legal activities.
Post by: runamuk on October 18, 2011, 08:17:15 AM
I'm with you BrianFL79! ANYTHING that makes noise should not be used to hunt! Lazy, and you have no idea how many animals you passed up! ATV's, scooters, snowmobiles, etc, they all are worthless for hunting! Now, if noisy summer fun is what you want, have at it! Guess they'll hate me too but I don't give a crap! Noise doesn't belong in the outdoors!
Wow so all the people who have success hunting with those are lazy? The inuits that use them to hunt caribou and moose are also lazy? I dont think people are lazy and I also dont think these things scare animals the way so many make it out that they do...they hear them all year long if they were truly so scared then the deer would never follow loggers and all their noisy equipment and chainsaws looking for easy grub...
I love how it has gotten lets all blame the other user group for all the ills and lets then divide into user groups by how we hunt and then lets agree that the anti's are winning because we cant all just get along for 5 minutes without pointing our fingers at someone else....if someone is actually breaking the rules turn them in get a plate number and description and turn them in it takes less time than its taking me to type this...yes I have done it....if people are rude out there well people are rude everywhere seems this is a mememe society and many people will stop at nothing to get what they want.....cant fix stupid....
DIVIDED we fall...and fall we will this country is going down the tubes mostly for this reason :dunno:
Post by: sneakyjake on October 18, 2011, 09:41:49 AM
Post by: b4327 on October 18, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 18, 2011, 09:46:55 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 18, 2011, 12:40:19 PM
I used to own a TW200, thought it would be great for getting around up in the Manastash, as it is an ORV area, and the bike is street legal (forest service roads)
I could not figure how to hunt off it, and prefer to hunt behind gates where it is illegal to use motorized vehicles.
BUT, one afternoon I rode to a gate, and because it was a fairly popular gate, I PUSHED my bike around gate and into some bushes, maybe 20 yards past gate.
When I came out after dark there was a guy there that had a temper tantrum, screaming and yelling at me for having a motorcycle behind the gate.
When he paused to take a breath, I calmly explained to him why I had PUSHED it around the gate, and how I had not ridden it behind the gate.
I pushed it back around gate, while he continued to harangue me about how I was "violating the law" by just having it behind the gate.
I again explained that I had not ridden it behind gate, and it was no different than his truck parked at gate (blocking road even) and wished him luck hunting.
I used it to get around, and did not ride it off road, or behind gates, even though there are trails all over unit.
In a legal area, there is nothing wrong with using an ORV to get around.
They just might not see an animal, so what ?
It gives you (foot hunter) an opportunity they missed.
Post by: wastickslinger on October 18, 2011, 03:19:17 PM
I'm with you BrianFL79! ANYTHING that makes noise should not be used to hunt! Lazy, and you have no idea how many animals you passed up! ATV's, scooters, snowmobiles, etc, they all are worthless for hunting! Now, if noisy summer fun is what you want, have at it! Guess they'll hate me too but I don't give a crap! Noise doesn't belong in the outdoors!
The outdoors is full of noise. Those animals get use to it in the areas it is allowed. If you dont like it pack your butt into the wilderness or something.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 18, 2011, 03:21:36 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 18, 2011, 03:21:52 PM
I'm with you BrianFL79! ANYTHING that makes noise should not be used to hunt! Lazy, and you have no idea how many animals you passed up! ATV's, scooters, snowmobiles, etc, they all are worthless for hunting! Now, if noisy summer fun is what you want, have at it! Guess they'll hate me too but I don't give a crap! Noise doesn't belong in the outdoors!
The outdoors is full of noise. Those animals get use to it in the areas it is allowed. If you dont like it pack your butt into the wilderness or something.
I 2nd that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BowBender87 on October 18, 2011, 05:23:50 PM
*totally legal on a public road anyone could drive on*
Post by: WenHunter on October 18, 2011, 05:53:48 PM
But I tend to agree with the original poster, because I had the same problem this past weekend. Hiked from a main road on a gated "closed to motorized use" road hiked about 2 miles going to an area that I knew there would be no other hunters. After getting midway up the road hiking across a few canyons and ridges heading towards a USFS road that I knew was washed out at the bottom so no vehicle access so they gated it and posted a "closed to motorized use". I see some idiot trolling around on his ATV going slowly stopping, standing up on his ATV to glass, after a few mins he would sit back down and continue on his ATV and stop at the next clear cut to do the same thing. PISSED ME OFF. :bash: :bash: And yes I know for a FACT that it was closed to ATV's. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 18, 2011, 05:57:13 PM
Well I read every post on this thread and most of the them are asking for clarification of if it was open or not to motorized use.
But I tend to agree with the original poster, because I had the same problem this past weekend. Hiked from a main road on a gated "closed to motorized use" road hiked about 2 miles going to an area that I knew there would be no other hunters. After getting midway up the road hiking across a few canyons and ridges heading towards a USFS road that I knew was washed out at the bottom so no vehicle access so they gated it and posted a "closed to motorized use". I see some idiot trolling around on his ATV going slowly stopping, standing up on his ATV to glass, after a few mins he would sit back down and continue on his ATV and stop at the next clear cut to do the same thing. PISSED ME OFF. :bash: :bash: And yes I know for a FACT that it was closed to ATV's. :twocents:
Illegal use should piss you off, and everyone else for that matter. That's what we were asking the original poster here; Was it illegal riding or does he just have a problem with ATVs and bikes? If legal, they've got the same right to do it as we have to walk it. If not, report the sucker and end it.
Post by: WenHunter on October 18, 2011, 06:03:44 PM
Well I read every post on this thread and most of the them are asking for clarification of if it was open or not to motorized use.
But I tend to agree with the original poster, because I had the same problem this past weekend. Hiked from a main road on a gated "closed to motorized use" road hiked about 2 miles going to an area that I knew there would be no other hunters. After getting midway up the road hiking across a few canyons and ridges heading towards a USFS road that I knew was washed out at the bottom so no vehicle access so they gated it and posted a "closed to motorized use". I see some idiot trolling around on his ATV going slowly stopping, standing up on his ATV to glass, after a few mins he would sit back down and continue on his ATV and stop at the next clear cut to do the same thing. PISSED ME OFF. :bash: :bash: And yes I know for a FACT that it was closed to ATV's. :twocents:
Illegal use should piss you off, and everyone else for that matter. That's what we were asking the original poster here; Was it illegal riding or does he just have a problem with ATVs and bikes? If legal, they've got the same right to do it as we have to walk it. If not, report the sucker and end it.
Correct and I venture a guess that we won't get an answer to that question...whether it was legal or not legal. I was just giving an example of my experience this past weekend. But on another note who are you suppose to report it to :dunno: there isn't alot of Forest Service LEO's out there and not being able to catch up with the riders or there parked vehicle its tough to turn them in. Again it comes down to people following the rules and not being lazy, but if they continue to get away with it then what's there to stop em???
Post by: seth30 on October 18, 2011, 06:06:52 PM
I love hunting from my dirtbike...better on gas!!! And the purring sound practicly stops em dead in there tracks!! :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:holy cow, I was wondering how you guys would put a animal on a bike. :IBCOOL:
*totally legal on a public road anyone could drive on*
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 18, 2011, 06:08:52 PM
Well I read every post on this thread and most of the them are asking for clarification of if it was open or not to motorized use.
But I tend to agree with the original poster, because I had the same problem this past weekend. Hiked from a main road on a gated "closed to motorized use" road hiked about 2 miles going to an area that I knew there would be no other hunters. After getting midway up the road hiking across a few canyons and ridges heading towards a USFS road that I knew was washed out at the bottom so no vehicle access so they gated it and posted a "closed to motorized use". I see some idiot trolling around on his ATV going slowly stopping, standing up on his ATV to glass, after a few mins he would sit back down and continue on his ATV and stop at the next clear cut to do the same thing. PISSED ME OFF. :bash: :bash: And yes I know for a FACT that it was closed to ATV's. :twocents:
Illegal use should piss you off, and everyone else for that matter. That's what we were asking the original poster here; Was it illegal riding or does he just have a problem with ATVs and bikes? If legal, they've got the same right to do it as we have to walk it. If not, report the sucker and end it.
Correct and I venture a guess that we won't get an answer to that question...whether it was legal or not legal. I was just giving an example of my experience this past weekend. But on another note who are you suppose to report it to :dunno: there isn't alot of Forest Service LEO's out there and not being able to catch up with the riders or there parked vehicle its tough to turn them in. Again it comes down to people following the rules and not being lazy, but if they continue to get away with it then what's there to stop em???
Call 911, call the county sheriff, call WDFW enforcement. Get the number for your local gamie and put it in your phone ahead of time. I have mine. When I have a problem at the goose area or up in the woods, I call him.
Post by: WenHunter on October 18, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
Well I read every post on this thread and most of the them are asking for clarification of if it was open or not to motorized use.
But I tend to agree with the original poster, because I had the same problem this past weekend. Hiked from a main road on a gated "closed to motorized use" road hiked about 2 miles going to an area that I knew there would be no other hunters. After getting midway up the road hiking across a few canyons and ridges heading towards a USFS road that I knew was washed out at the bottom so no vehicle access so they gated it and posted a "closed to motorized use". I see some idiot trolling around on his ATV going slowly stopping, standing up on his ATV to glass, after a few mins he would sit back down and continue on his ATV and stop at the next clear cut to do the same thing. PISSED ME OFF. :bash: :bash: And yes I know for a FACT that it was closed to ATV's. :twocents:
Illegal use should piss you off, and everyone else for that matter. That's what we were asking the original poster here; Was it illegal riding or does he just have a problem with ATVs and bikes? If legal, they've got the same right to do it as we have to walk it. If not, report the sucker and end it.
Correct and I venture a guess that we won't get an answer to that question...whether it was legal or not legal. I was just giving an example of my experience this past weekend. But on another note who are you suppose to report it to :dunno: there isn't alot of Forest Service LEO's out there and not being able to catch up with the riders or there parked vehicle its tough to turn them in. Again it comes down to people following the rules and not being lazy, but if they continue to get away with it then what's there to stop em???
Call 911, call the county sheriff, call WDFW enforcement. Get the number for your local gamie and put it in your phone ahead of time. I have mine. When I have a problem at the goose area or up in the woods, I call him.
Wow I just noticed that was my 100th post, im now a hunter whoo hoo :chuckle: Yeah I agree with you Piano, sometimes it just doesn't work out they are slightly busy on opening weekend I am sure. My basic complaint is "follow the rules" again I know this is unrealistic, but hey thats the way I wish it was.
Post by: muzzlebuck on October 18, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
Post by: HuntandFish on October 18, 2011, 09:00:56 PM
So many hunters do not even understand how deer react to there environment. Don't just assume.
And x100 on hunting an area with no motorized access or closed roads for that matter if you cannot comprehend why someone is doing something you wouldn't :twocents:
H&F
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 18, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
Post by: mallard79 on October 18, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
Have you guys noticed how much damage motorcycles have done in the Wenatchee National Forest compared to any ATV ? And they're legal. I have and it's horrible. Why can they be legal and do that and the antiATVers don't say squat about motorcycles ? Just food for thought my friends. Complain about the real problems and take action against those abusers, starting with the Forest Circus. They Ok it and don't do anything about it. Maybe if the antiATVers looked into this, they might turn their anger into something positive. :dunno:
And I suppose you would also say that the horses do NO damage.....yeah right. If motorcycles are kept on trails that are intended for that purpose, they do less damage than that 1,000 lb horse does....if you dont like them go where they arent....there are very limited areas where they are legally allowed to ride their motorcycles anymore and it is getting more and more limited because of the a$$hats that cant follow rules. :twocents: :twocents: besides that...they are paying more to use those trails than any other user group out there because they have to LICENSE that motorcycle....horses, hikers, and mountainbikers dont! :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 18, 2011, 10:04:40 PM
Have you guys noticed how much damage motorcycles have done in the Wenatchee National Forest compared to any ATV ? And they're legal. I have and it's horrible. Why can they be legal and do that and the antiATVers don't say squat about motorcycles ? Just food for thought my friends. Complain about the real problems and take action against those abusers, starting with the Forest Circus. They Ok it and don't do anything about it. Maybe if the antiATVers looked into this, they might turn their anger into something positive. :dunno:
And I suppose you would also say that the horses do NO damage.....yeah right. If motorcycles are kept on trails that are intended for that purpose, they do less damage than that 1,000 lb horse does....if you dont like them go where they arent....there are very limited areas where they are legally allowed to ride their motorcycles anymore and it is getting more and more limited because of the a$$hats that cant follow rules. :twocents: :twocents: besides that...they are paying more to use those trails than any other user group out there because they have to LICENSE that motorcycle....horses, hikers, and mountainbikers dont! :twocents:
I don't know what world you're from, but you can ride licensed motorcycles anywhere on forest circus roads. Go up out of Leavenworth and look for youself. On road and off road, legally. I have ATVs and pay all those license fees, gas taxes, tire taxes, insurance etc. We CANNOT ride them everywhere like motorcycles can. It's *censored*s like you that don't know WTF you're even talking about. How many motorcycle/ATV clubs do you belong too ? Horses and cows do a helluva lot more damage than ATVs. :stup: :ass:
Post by: rotty33 on October 18, 2011, 10:11:20 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 18, 2011, 10:15:07 PM
Post by: 50CalJim on October 18, 2011, 10:37:11 PM
Post by: Alaska316 on October 18, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Post by: HuntandFish on October 19, 2011, 08:58:06 AM
Have you guys noticed how much damage motorcycles have done in the Wenatchee National Forest compared to any ATV ? And they're legal. I have and it's horrible. Why can they be legal and do that and the antiATVers don't say squat about motorcycles ? Just food for thought my friends. Complain about the real problems and take action against those abusers, starting with the Forest Circus. They Ok it and don't do anything about it. Maybe if the antiATVers looked into this, they might turn their anger into something positive. :dunno:
And I suppose you would also say that the horses do NO damage.....yeah right. If motorcycles are kept on trails that are intended for that purpose, they do less damage than that 1,000 lb horse does....if you dont like them go where they arent....there are very limited areas where they are legally allowed to ride their motorcycles anymore and it is getting more and more limited because of the a$$hats that cant follow rules. :twocents: :twocents: besides that...they are paying more to use those trails than any other user group out there because they have to LICENSE that motorcycle....horses, hikers, and mountainbikers dont! :twocents:
I don't know what world you're from, but you can ride licensed motorcycles anywhere on forest circus roads. Go up out of Leavenworth and look for youself. On road and off road, legally. I have ATVs and pay all those license fees, gas taxes, tire taxes, insurance etc. We CANNOT ride them everywhere like motorcycles can. It's *censored*s like you that don't know WTF you're even talking about. How many motorcycle/ATV clubs do you belong too ? Horses and cows do a helluva lot more damage than ATVs. :stup: :ass:
Camp meat, Really! Mallard79 meant registered and tabbed dirt bikes, not licensed and I hope you would know that since you are so well versed in all things off road. You said you can license your atv, I don't know what state you live in but it can't be washington. Because atv's are never considered street legal, while some bike's are. It doesn't take a club to know what you are talking about because obviously you do not, stop being angry because you own an atv and can't ride them most places in washington, maybe you should have looked into that before buying your quad :dunno:
Stop making yourself look ignorant because I am sure you are not, Mallard had an excellent point and was right, despite what your opinion is, get out and ride somewhere else then leavenworth and get a more well rounded base of knowledge.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 19, 2011, 09:02:22 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 19, 2011, 09:19:37 AM
Luckily there is nowhere in my area that its legal to ride an ATV. The problem I have is when they ride them in behind NON MOTORIZED ACCESS areas. This happens way too often. Unfortunately the timber companies aren't willing to fork out the money for security, I don't blame them either, the ATVs really aren't hurting anything as far as the timber company is concerned, they want as many deer elk and bears killed as possible, those animals cause much more damage to the trees than a lazy guy riding around a gate on a quad or motorcycle.
Too bad for me I guess. And you are absolutely wrong if you think a mature buck, even a doe is not phased by hearing a motorized vehicle coming. Does not surprise me an ATV user would say something like that though.
Post by: Shank on October 19, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
Somebody else said dirtbikes are allowed on the roads outside of leavenworth, again, not true. I know of two roads open to dirtbikes in that area, and that's only to get from trail to trail. In order to be on FS roads you and your bike need to be street legal. Period.
Not trying to be an ass to anyone, just clarifying some information.
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 11:39:24 AM
Post by: hunter360 on October 19, 2011, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2011, 12:45:01 PM
Have you guys noticed how much damage motorcycles have done in the Wenatchee National Forest compared to any ATV ? And they're legal. I have and it's horrible. Why can they be legal and do that and the antiATVers don't say squat about motorcycles ? Just food for thought my friends. Complain about the real problems and take action against those abusers, starting with the Forest Circus. They Ok it and don't do anything about it. Maybe if the antiATVers looked into this, they might turn their anger into something positive. :dunno:
And I suppose you would also say that the horses do NO damage.....yeah right. If motorcycles are kept on trails that are intended for that purpose, they do less damage than that 1,000 lb horse does....if you dont like them go where they arent....there are very limited areas where they are legally allowed to ride their motorcycles anymore and it is getting more and more limited because of the a$$hats that cant follow rules. :twocents: :twocents: besides that...they are paying more to use those trails than any other user group out there because they have to LICENSE that motorcycle....horses, hikers, and mountainbikers dont! :twocents:
I don't know what world you're from, but you can ride licensed motorcycles anywhere on forest circus roads. Go up out of Leavenworth and look for youself. On road and off road, legally. I have ATVs and pay all those license fees, gas taxes, tire taxes, insurance etc. We CANNOT ride them everywhere like motorcycles can. It's *censored*s like you that don't know WTF you're even talking about. How many motorcycle/ATV clubs do you belong too ? Horses and cows do a helluva lot more damage than ATVs. :stup: :ass:
Camp meat, Really! Mallard79 meant registered and tabbed dirt bikes, not licensed and I hope you would know that since you are so well versed in all things off road. You said you can license your atv, I don't know what state you live in but it can't be washington. Because atv's are never considered street legal, while some bike's are. It doesn't take a club to know what you are talking about because obviously you do not, stop being angry because you own an atv and can't ride them most places in washington, maybe you should have looked into that before buying your quad :dunno:
Stop making yourself look ignorant because I am sure you are not, Mallard had an excellent point and was right, despite what your opinion is, get out and ride somewhere else then leavenworth and get a more well rounded base of knowledge.
First, I'm not angry for not being able to ride my ATV in "most places in Washington". I don't live in "most places in Washington". I live here, where we "only" have 600 miles of roads for OHV use. It pisses me off that these whiny hunters blame ATVs for everything under the sun. That's too bad, live with it like we have to put up with the whiny hunters. As for riding in Leavenworth, no, and no way in hell would I live in a town like that. Too many people for me.
My ATV is licensed in Washington with a year and month tag just like a vehicle in any state. You have to buy OHV tags to get a registration for them. You have to buy it every year if you take if off of your property to ride them. My ATV is also licensed in Idaho with a real license plate too...........wow !!! So, what makes you speak for other people ? You said, " he meant ". If he didn't say what he meant, then maybe he should speak for himself and not you.
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 01:07:23 PM
Post by: mallard79 on October 19, 2011, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
I believe it is pretty clear what I said....Motorcycles have the same month and year tab as your atv. I dont see why horses and mountain bikers shouldnt be licensed if riding on trails maintained by the $$$ that comes from my motorcycle licensing?? I do know what I am talking about and you should check your ideas against real facts before you atack people on this forum..... :twocents:
What ideas ? They should tax EVERYBODY and all DOMESTIC animals then too. That way it's fair, instead of a certain group always being blamed for the fault of another, ie: the Forest Service ia good place to start. I just tell it like it is.
Post by: mallard79 on October 19, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
This has gotten off topic and is only making us look bad. I say shut it down.
:bash:
I will agree to disagree at this point. :dunno:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2011, 02:43:59 PM
Lol.....last time I checked, I already license my dogs/cats..... I guess I dont know how to make you understand that the people who ride their horses on trails that are maintained by the $$$ put aside from our orv tab licenses should be paying their fair share. You cant honestly tell me that a 1000 lb animal does less damage to a trail system than a 300 lb motorcycle on the same trail......I know that my motorcycles never left behind a single pile of excrement in the middle of a trail for others to ride/walk through......if it makes you feel better they can call it a cleanup fee charged to horse riders riding on maintained trails. Hikers that stay on the trail pay just the same as us hunters who choose to hike in to hunt.....its called the discover pass.......you want maintained trails to ride your orv/horse on you pay a little extra......pretty easy to see the logic....more damage/maintenance=more $$$
This has gotten off topic and is only making us look bad. I say shut it down.
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I will agree to disagree at this point. :dunno:
Ok, sounds fair to me.
Post by: Co on October 19, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
Why would you call them "selfish". They have every right to be there just as you do.:yeah: :stup:
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 20, 2011, 06:19:35 AM
I've been on horse worn trails and they are rough as a cob. I would much rather walk on a wheel trail. There are the "tare it up crowd" but that is an enforcement issue, our eyes in the woods included. If a person destroys something they should pay the cost of repair.
I think we should tax elk, too. I've hunted trails that herds of elk use on a regular basis and they're very worn and torn up. They also leave lots of poop behind and don't bother to go back and clean it up. Often, my boot treads are filled with it at the end of a day.
It's funny to me that this thread turned into a fight between dirt bikes and horses.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 20, 2011, 06:52:32 AM
I've been on horse worn trails and they are rough as a cob. I would much rather walk on a wheel trail. There are the "tare it up crowd" but that is an enforcement issue, our eyes in the woods included. If a person destroys something they should pay the cost of repair.
I think we should tax elk, too. I've hunted trails that herds of elk use on a regular basis and they're very worn and torn up. They also leave lots of poop behind and don't bother to go back and clean it up. Often, my boot treads are filled with it at the end of a day.
It's funny to me that this thread turned into a fight between dirt bikes and horses.
I was thinking the same thing. I'll just keep my mouth shut and hope this arguement ends.