Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on January 31, 2012, 03:12:47 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
13th if they keep the same day they have in the last 10 years
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Post by: 400out on January 31, 2012, 03:42:05 PM
13th if they keep the same day they have in the last 10 years:nono: Positive thinking, I say! Positive
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 03:49:37 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 03:53:42 PM
It will be the 13th, and I sure would not be happy if they decided to move opening day back a week to the 20th. I would much rather have 19 days to hunt deer than only 12 days. Not only that but if it was the 20th, deer season would overlap elk season on the eastside, and the WDFW will not overlap modern firearm deer and elk seasons.
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 03:57:13 PM
It will be the 13th, and I sure would not be happy if they decided to move opening day back a week to the 20th. I would much rather have 19 days to hunt deer than only 12 days. Not only that but if it was the 20th, deer season would overlap elk season on the eastside, and the WDFW will not overlap modern firearm deer and elk seasons.
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year. Not sure why they would? :dunno:
You wanna hunt the mule deer rut- draw a late permit.
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year. Not sure why they would? :dunno:
You wanna hunt the mule deer rut- draw a late permit.
Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.
Post by: 400out on January 31, 2012, 03:59:18 PM
:yeah:It will be the 13th, and I sure would not be happy if they decided to move opening day back a week to the 20th. I would much rather have 19 days to hunt deer than only 12 days. Not only that but if it was the 20th, deer season would overlap elk season on the eastside, and the WDFW will not overlap modern firearm deer and elk seasons.
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:00:23 PM
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year. Not sure why they would? :dunno:
You wanna hunt the mule deer rut- draw a late permit.
Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.
OK, maybe not ALWAYS but how far back do you want to go? Do you remember when opening day of modern firearm deer wasn't the same between east and west?
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:03:06 PM
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year. Not sure why they would? :dunno:
You wanna hunt the mule deer rut- draw a late permit.
Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.
OK, maybe not ALWAYS but how far back do you want to go? Do you remember when opening day of modern firearm deer wasn't the same between east and west?
There are plenty of hunts that differ from East to West, I've no idea why you always say they need to be the same.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
The east and west dont have to mirror each other Bob, I would like to see it start the 20th.
It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year. Not sure why they would? :dunno:
You wanna hunt the mule deer rut- draw a late permit.
Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.
OK, maybe not ALWAYS but how far back do you want to go? Do you remember when opening day of modern firearm deer wasn't the same between east and west?
There are plenty of hunts that differ from East to West, I've no idea why you always say they need to be the same.
I'm only talking about opening day of general season deer. Isn't that what this topic is about? Again, how many years do we have to go back to see different opening dates between east and west?
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:12:14 PM
OK, maybe not ALWAYS but how far back do you want to go?Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year.
Doesn't matter how far back you need to go Bob, the FACT is that it has not ALWAYS been the same. You always come on here and speak as an expert, as someone that knows for a fact what you are saying is correct. There are a lot of people on here that don't know what the truth is and for you to state is as fact is irresponsible and misleading.
Posting opinions are everyone's privilege on this site, but it should be posted as opinion, and not gospel if you really don't know what the truth is. :twocents:
Post by: MtnMuley on January 31, 2012, 04:13:34 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:17:17 PM
:nono: Let's just make it the 13th this year and rebuild the herds a little....... :stirthepot: :chuckle:
Problem is it will be the 12th the following year and the 11th the year after that. If the herds are in such poor condition, and they're not, then why not just shut down hunting for the next three years and really let them rebuild?
When was the last time the modern seasons opened on the 13th, 12th and 11th for the three year set?
Post by: Deep Forks on January 31, 2012, 04:17:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
Doesn't matter how far back you need to go Bob, the FACT is that it has not ALWAYS been the same. You always come on here and speak as an expert, as someone that knows for a fact what you are saying is correct. There are a lot of people on here that don't know what the truth is and for you to state is as fact is irresponsible and misleading.
Posting opinions are everyone's privilege on this site, but it should be posted as opinion, and not gospel if you really don't know what the truth is. :twocents:
Well, that's your opinion. Why you want to get so hung up on a single word (always) is what I don't get. I'm sorry if what I posted wasn't 100% correct. But as far back as I can remember, opening day has been the same on both sides of the state, which would be back into the late 70's, early 80's. I could be wrong but that's the way I remember it. Do you know different? If so, tell me WHEN were the opening days different?
And you know, that's not even really the point anyway. The point is why change it? They've already said they will not be making any major changes to the seasons for this next 3 year package due to budget constraints. And even if they were, why would you want a later season on the eastside? All that's going to do is put more hunters out there when the deer are more vulnerable and the harvest will be higher, on a deer herd that is already well below population objectives.
Really? You want to increase the mule deer harvest when the goal should be to reduce harvest?
Post by: MtnMuley on January 31, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
:nono: Let's just make it the 13th this year and rebuild the herds a little....... :stirthepot: :chuckle:
Problem is it will be the 12th the following year and the 11th the year after that. If the herds are in such poor condition, and they're not, then why not just shut down hunting for the next three years and really let them rebuild?
When was the last time the modern seasons opened on the 13th, 12th and 11th for the three year set?
I should have put heavy emphasis on the " :chuckle:" part!
Post by: Shed Stud on January 31, 2012, 04:29:46 PM
It will be the 13th, and I sure would not be happy if they decided to move opening day back a week to the 20th. I would much rather have 19 days to hunt deer than only 12 days.We will not get 19 days to hunt, would be nice though. It will open on the 13 and close on the 21. They will need MF to close by that week to allow for the EMF draw elk tags to have week before general elk.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:31:16 PM
It will be the 13th, and I sure would not be happy if they decided to move opening day back a week to the 20th. I would much rather have 19 days to hunt deer than only 12 days.We will not get 19 days to hunt, would be nice though. It will open on the 13 and close on the 21. They will need MF to close by that week to allow for the EMF draw elk tags to have week before general elk.
I was talking about for blacktails. It always goes to the 31st.
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:33:37 PM
If you really have to ask me why I want the starting date the 20th rather than the 13th then you really don't understand hunting in this state and its a waist of time trying to explain it.
For the rest of you, in my opinion adding 5 days to the front of the season does nothing for our hunt except give the perception that WDFW are listening and trying to help.
Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 04:33:50 PM
Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
We've been over this at nauseam Bob, I've no desire to discuss things with a closed minded liberal again.
If you really have to ask me why I want the starting date the 20th rather than the 13th then you really don't understand hunting in this state and its a waist of time trying to explain it.
For the rest of you, in my opinion adding 5 days to the front of the season does nothing for our hunt except give the perception that WDFW are listening and trying to help.
I agree that it would be much better on the 20th however I don't see them doing this.
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:37:57 PM
We will not get 19 days to hunt, would be nice though. It will open on the 13 and close on the 21. They will need MF to close by that week to allow for the EMF draw elk tags to have week before general elk.I was talking about for blacktails. It always goes to the 31st.
If the start date needs to be the same for both sides then blacktail should close the same day as mule deer, we don't want guys that are done hunting mule deer to drive to the wetside and increase pressure on the blacktail. Its always easy to sit back and watch the east side guys get their season pushed back and reduced while you sit on the other side being able to hunt through the end of the month. My guess is the west side guys would be pretty upset if their seasons were set to mirror the east side.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:40:03 PM
We've been over this at nauseam Bob, I've no desire to discuss things with a closed minded liberal again.
If you really have to ask me why I want the starting date the 20th rather than the 13th then you really don't understand hunting in this state and its a waist of time trying to explain it.
For the rest of you, in my opinion adding 5 days to the front of the season does nothing for our hunt except give the perception that WDFW are listening and trying to help.
Fine. So I take it by your lack of answering my question, that you admit you have no idea when the opening dates were ever different.......
And, of course I know why you'd rather have the season start a week later. You catch the beginning of the rut and a better chance of cold/snow to push the bigger bucks down closer to the roads. Yes, the hunting is better/easier. Which would be great if we had the number of deer that could take that much pressure. But we don't, simple as that.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
If the start date needs to be the same for both sides then blacktail should close the same day as mule deer, we don't want guys that are done hunting mule deer to drive to the wetside and increase pressure on the blacktail. Its always easy to sit back and watch the east side guys get their season pushed back and reduced while you sit on the other side being able to hunt through the end of the month. My guess is the west side guys would be pretty upset if their seasons were set to mirror the east side.
But wait.... aren't you a "west side guy"?
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:42:42 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on January 31, 2012, 04:46:21 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:46:41 PM
Ok so everyone thinks its going to be the 13th for Mule deer on the Eastside?
Yes, I THINK everyone agrees on that. :chuckle:
(but remember, that's only my opinion, NOT a fact)
Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 04:49:15 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 04:50:43 PM
Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
Post by: Arteman on January 31, 2012, 04:51:18 PM
Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:Whoa whoa whoa, ok everybody just calm down right now! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 04:53:39 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 04:54:14 PM
Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
I wouldn't mind if they gave us the same 9 day early season, if they also gave us the same 15 day late season that they get in the NE.
Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
I wouldn't mind if they gave us the same 9 day early season, if they also gave us the same 15 day late season that they get in the NE.
That would be an unfair advantage because the deer would relax and then you would be able to hunt like us eastsiders from the road!
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 05:01:43 PM
Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
I wouldn't mind if they gave us the same 9 day early season, if they also gave us the same 15 day late season that they get in the NE.
I'll help you push for a 15 day West side late whitetail hunt Bob, I'll bet WDFW wouldn't have an issue.
Post by: THunt on January 31, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 05:04:50 PM
I'll help you push for a 15 day West side late whitetail hunt Bob, I'll bet WDFW wouldn't have an issue.
You won't see me pushing for anything except the "status quo".
Besides, I thought you didn't want to discuss this anymore with a "close minded liberal"? :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Arteman on January 31, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
Columbia Whitetail??? I'm all for it. :chuckle:Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
I wouldn't mind if they gave us the same 9 day early season, if they also gave us the same 15 day late season that they get in the NE.
I'll help you push for a 15 day West side late whitetail hunt Bob, I'll bet WDFW wouldn't have an issue.
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 05:08:28 PM
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The point is why change it? They've already said they will not be making any major changes to the seasons for this next 3 year package due to budget constraints. And even if they were, why would you want a later season on the eastside? All that's going to do is put more hunters out there when the deer are more vulnerable and the harvest will be higher, on a deer herd that is already well below population objectives.
Really? You want to increase the mule deer harvest when the goal should be to reduce harvest?
This was what I was refering Bob. ;)
Post by: Deep Forks on January 31, 2012, 05:09:43 PM
Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
I wouldn't mind if they gave us the same 9 day early season, if they also gave us the same 15 day late season that they get in the NE.
You hoping for a little road hunting Bob :dunno:Well we better have to choose EMF or WMF for deer then. That would solve this. :chuckle:
Not sure about that but I can guarantee the guys that hunt the west side would be up in arms if their season mirrored the east side.
I wouldn't mind if they gave us the same 9 day early season, if they also gave us the same 15 day late season that they get in the NE.
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
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You hoping for a little road hunting Bob :dunno:
Why do you say that? Is that the only way you guys hunt in the NE during the late season? On a road is the last place I would be, if I were hunting blacktails. You might find me in ground blind or a tree stand.
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 05:19:00 PM
QuoteYou hoping for a little road hunting Bob :dunno:
Why do you say that? Is that the only way you guys hunt in the NE during the late season? On a road is the last place I would be, if I were hunting blacktails. You might find me in ground blind or a tree stand.
Easy now, I think he was joking Kujo. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on January 31, 2012, 05:22:58 PM
QuoteYou hoping for a little road hunting Bob :dunno:
Why do you say that? Is that the only way you guys hunt in the NE during the late season? On a road is the last place I would be, if I were hunting blacktails. You might find me in ground blind or a tree stand.
Easy now, I think he was joking Kujo. :chuckle:
Oh, I thought it was a fine question, and if the road hunting was good I'd be all for it, but I've tried it and it doesn't produce. Now for mule deer it's a different story. Blacktails are too smart to be shot from a road.
:stirthepot:
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 05:26:45 PM
Now for mule deer it's a different story. Blacktails are too smart to be shot from a road.Quote
I would argue that its only that blacktail are far less likely to be spotted from the road.
Post by: Bigshooter on January 31, 2012, 05:39:39 PM
Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? :chuckle:OK, maybe not ALWAYS but how far back do you want to go?Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year.
Doesn't matter how far back you need to go Bob, the FACT is that it has not ALWAYS been the same. You always come on here and speak as an expert, as someone that knows for a fact what you are saying is correct. There are a lot of people on here that don't know what the truth is and for you to state is as fact is irresponsible and misleading.
Posting opinions are everyone's privilege on this site, but it should be posted as opinion, and not gospel if you really don't know what the truth is. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 05:47:49 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 31, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
We've been over this at nauseam Bob, I've no desire to discuss things with a closed minded liberal again.
If you really have to ask me why I want the starting date the 20th rather than the 13th then you really don't understand hunting in this state and its a waist of time trying to explain it.
For the rest of you, in my opinion adding 5 days to the front of the season does nothing for our hunt except give the perception that WDFW are listening and trying to help.
Is this true? It's not a question and I don't see a :twocents: ;)
Post by: Deep Forks on January 31, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
For the rest of you, in my opinion adding 5 days to the front of the season does nothing for our hunt except give the perception that WDFW are listening and trying to help.:yeah:
Post by: grundy53 on January 31, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? :chuckle:OK, maybe not ALWAYS but how far back do you want to go?Um......no it hasn't ALWAYS been that way BOB, get your facts strait.It's always been that way and I don't see them changing it this year.
Doesn't matter how far back you need to go Bob, the FACT is that it has not ALWAYS been the same. You always come on here and speak as an expert, as someone that knows for a fact what you are saying is correct. There are a lot of people on here that don't know what the truth is and for you to state is as fact is irresponsible and misleading.
Posting opinions are everyone's privilege on this site, but it should be posted as opinion, and not gospel if you really don't know what the truth is. :twocents:
:yeah: ;)
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 31, 2012, 06:14:41 PM
agree. It looks nice on paper to see 'Wow, look at all that season'...but I've always seen the best blacktail activity during the wetside modern elk season. 11 day elk season and I see probably 5X the amount of BT compared to 31 days of modern deer (of which the 4 day late season has the most). I know the season is set to be in the game's favor not the hunter's.For the rest of you, in my opinion adding 5 days to the front of the season does nothing for our hunt except give the perception that WDFW are listening and trying to help.:yeah:
Post by: elkslayer069 on January 31, 2012, 06:25:14 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 31, 2012, 06:45:20 PM