Post by: tony04 on February 08, 2012, 08:57:36 PM
Uses are for grouse, rabbit, etc. And also precision shooting for fun. What do you think?
Post by: MuleySniper on February 08, 2012, 09:05:45 PM
ms
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 08, 2012, 09:10:01 PM
Post by: jeepster on February 08, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
i have a CZ-452 Mannlicher, and its a very very nice rifle... but its in .17hmr, and i find it completley useless.... even with the slightest breeze, your shot is going to be off. when ive sighted in perfectly one day, i cant hit anything the next. it is such a light bullet, you have to either shoot it at an indoor range, or on a day with ZERO wind.... while it is my favorite rifle to look at, i havent shot it in 3 years....at least. the 22mag is a much heavier bullet, and is just way more practical.
http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/images/cz452fs.jpg thats what i got
i personally thin the 17hmr messes up a critter to the point where there isnt enough usable meat
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 08, 2012, 09:32:31 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 08, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Post by: jeepster on February 08, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
Centerfire or rimfire?
........ :dunno: both are rimfire cartridges
Post by: Wazukie on February 08, 2012, 09:52:12 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 08, 2012, 10:11:49 PM
I say why have just one? I have an H&R single shot .17hmr. I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long. I find it to be fun to shoot. I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.
Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on February 08, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 08, 2012, 10:42:18 PM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 08, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
22 magx2
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 08, 2012, 11:44:05 PM
I love my 17 HMR. Never noticed the wind being a significant factor.
Then you must have lived a sheltered life while your .17 was in your hand. The wind is a factor with a 190gr Matrix being slung from my 7mm WSM. :rolleyes:
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 09, 2012, 07:18:48 AM
Post by: Bob33 on February 09, 2012, 07:27:59 AM
Maybe you're the ballistics expert, but it looks like you need a proofreading course. You missed the word "significant" in my post.I love my 17 HMR. Never noticed the wind being a significant factor.
Then you must have lived a sheltered life while your .17 was in your hand. The wind is a factor with a 190gr Matrix being slug from my 7mm WSM. :rolleyes:
Post by: tony04 on February 09, 2012, 07:48:51 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 09, 2012, 08:02:27 AM
Centerfire or rimfire?
........ :dunno: both are rimfire cartridges
Ok, thanks, Wasn't sure.
Here is an article comparing the 2 as well as the 5mm mixed in.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/magnum_rimfire_comparison.htm
Post by: martin1 on February 09, 2012, 08:07:57 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 09, 2012, 08:11:55 AM
Post by: rasbo on February 09, 2012, 08:15:29 AM
Post by: Wazukie on February 09, 2012, 08:32:10 AM
I say why have just one? I have an H&R single shot .17hmr. I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long. I find it to be fun to shoot. I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.
Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Well, the wind is a factor in anything you shoot, but that dosnt mean that you can't blow up milk jugs at 300 yards with a 17hmr. Here are some ballistics for you to chew on.
17HMR 17 grn V-max muzzle velocity/Energy @ 0=2550/245 Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.125
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1943/143
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1442/76
300 yards Velocity/Energy =1103/45.9
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-33.17
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=35.5"
22 WMR 30grn V-max Muzzle Velocity/Energy@ 0=2200/322 Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.095
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1498/149
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1062/75
300 yards Velocity/Energy =882/60
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-59.99
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=54.9"
Looks to me that a 30 grn 22WMR is factored more by the wind at 300 yrds than a 17 grn 17hmr is and no cost difference in the ammo really:dunno:
Post by: C-Money on February 09, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
The 22mag is also a fine choice.
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 09, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
I say why have just one? I have an H&R single shot .17hmr. I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long. I find it to be fun to shoot. I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.
Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Well, the wind is a factor in anything you shoot, but that dosnt mean that you can't blow up milk jugs at 300 yards with a 17hmr. Here are some ballistics for you to chew on.
17HMR 17 grn V-max muzzle velocity/Energy @ 0=2550/245 Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.125
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1943/143
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1442/76
300 yards Velocity/Energy =1103/45.9
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-33.17
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=35.5"
22 WMR 30grn V-max Muzzle Velocity/Energy@ 0=2200/322
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1498/149
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1062/75
300 yards Velocity/Energy =882/60
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-59.99
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=54.9"
Looks to me that a 30 grn 22WMR is factored more by the wind at 300 yrds than a 17 grn 17hmr is and no cost difference in the ammo really:dunno:
Is there a website with this information? I was just curious how wind effect was at the other distances.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on February 09, 2012, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: b23 on February 09, 2012, 12:07:11 PM
I was a 17hmr hold out for a REALLY long time. I didn't want nothing to do with those tiny little worthless 17gr bullets. Until I shot one. Then I couldn't get one bought and scoped up fast enough. These little 17hmr's are impressively accurate out of a factory rifle. I've got a Savage 93 that will out shoot any 22mag I've ever owned. I still like my 22mags and I still have 2 of them but day in and day out the 17 is more accurate. I don't think the 17 is anymore accurate of a round than the 22mag is but I certainly believe the available ammo for the 17hmr is more accurate than the factory 22mag stuff.
My dad has an older Ruger M77 22mag that shoots very well. After I got my 17 and he shot it a few times he ordered a drop in 17 barrel for his Ruger. Now all he shoots is that Ruger with the 17 barrel on it and he too was a 17hmr hater.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 09, 2012, 12:44:48 PM
Maybe you're the ballistics expert, but it looks like you need a proofreading course. You missed the word "significant" in my post.I love my 17 HMR. Never noticed the wind being a significant factor.
Then you must have lived a sheltered life while your .17 was in your hand. The wind is a factor with a 190gr Matrix being slug from my 7mm WSM. :rolleyes:
I can guarantee my " Significant " is a much less tolerance than yours. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on February 09, 2012, 12:49:16 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 09, 2012, 01:23:47 PM
cost difference in ammo between two,,,any?????
.17 HMR ammo is a bit more expensive than 22 Mag. Recently I saw .17 HMR ammo in a Cabela's flyer for $9.99/50. A real good price!
Post by: trippledigitss on February 09, 2012, 01:30:36 PM
I was thinking about getting one for awhile. The local pawn/gun shop had a nice little Ruger (M77 I think? :dunno:) with a synthetic stock and Volquartsen carbon wrapped barrel. It was really cool looking and I hmmm'd & haaaa'd over it for a few months trying to come up with a reason (or excuse) to buy it - like I really even need a reason - and then one day I went in there and someone else had bought it and made my mind up for me.... oh well....
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2012, 01:31:58 PM
.22 mag hands down for me. i have or should say had both, sold the 17 hmr. :twocents:
ms
Interesting MS, I am just the opposite, I much prefer the 17HMR. :dunno:
Post by: tony04 on February 09, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
I say why have just one? I have an H&R single shot .17hmr. I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long. I find it to be fun to shoot. I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.
Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Well, the wind is a factor in anything you shoot, but that dosnt mean that you can't blow up milk jugs at 300 yards with a 17hmr. Here are some ballistics for you to chew on.
17HMR 17 grn V-max muzzle velocity/Energy @ 0=2550/245 Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.125
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1943/143
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1442/76
300 yards Velocity/Energy =1103/45.9
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-33.17
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=35.5"
22 WMR 30grn V-max Muzzle Velocity/Energy@ 0=2200/322
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1498/149
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1062/75
300 yards Velocity/Energy =882/60
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-59.99
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=54.9"
Looks to me that a 30 grn 22WMR is factored more by the wind at 300 yrds than a 17 grn 17hmr is and no cost difference in the ammo really:dunno:
Is there a website with this information? I was just curious how wind effect was at the other distances.
:yeah:
The main reason I'm leaning towards the 22mag was because of the wind factor..
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 09, 2012, 03:26:00 PM
I say why have just one? I have an H&R single shot .17hmr. I can blow up milk jugs with it at 300 yrds all day long. I find it to be fun to shoot. I'd get me a 22mag too if I could.
Hahaha! Wind must never blow where your at and you can drain milk jugs all day long but you sure aren't blowing them up. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Well, the wind is a factor in anything you shoot, but that dosnt mean that you can't blow up milk jugs at 300 yards with a 17hmr. Here are some ballistics for you to chew on.
17HMR 17 grn V-max muzzle velocity/Energy @ 0=2550/245 Ballistic Coefficient (G1)=.125
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1943/143
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1442/76
300 yards Velocity/Energy =1103/45.9
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-33.17
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=35.5"
22 WMR 30grn V-max Muzzle Velocity/Energy@ 0=2200/322
100 yards Velocity/Energy=1498/149
200 yards Velocity/Energy =1062/75
300 yards Velocity/Energy =882/60
300 yard drop with a 100 yard zero=-59.99
300 yard wind drift with wind @ 90 deg from target and 10 mph=54.9"
Looks to me that a 30 grn 22WMR is factored more by the wind at 300 yrds than a 17 grn 17hmr is and no cost difference in the ammo really:dunno:
Is there a website with this information? I was just curious how wind effect was at the other distances.
:yeah:
The main reason I'm leaning towards the 22mag was because of the wind factor..
How far are you shooting these varmints from??? If ya want to really reach out and touch something, I think that you'll have to step it up to a centerfire
Post by: tony04 on February 09, 2012, 03:33:14 PM
Post by: Wazukie on February 09, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
That being said, you need some info such as Ballistic coefficient for the bullet you are using and muzzle velocity of said bullet shooting out of your gun.
As for the 17 hmr for a small game rifle, in my opinion, it can't be beat. When I lived in central Nevada I hunted jack rabbit out to 200 yrds all the time with no problem killing them. If you're going to shoot yotes with it, I'd keep it within 100 yrds. For target shooting and honing the skills in marksmanship, I love it! It's fun to set them milk jugs up at 300 yrds for sure. Just remember that the 17 HMR has less bullet weight but it has a better coefficient.
What ever you decide, have fun with it.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2012, 03:44:24 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2012, 05:03:38 PM
Post by: hillbilli on February 09, 2012, 05:09:29 PM
Post by: winshooter88 on February 09, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
The 17HMR is great for grouse, rabbits and fox sized animals, but never tried it on yotes. Ammo prices are comparable when you use the ballistic tipped stuff.
If it was up to me, get the 17 in the Savage, great little rifle.
Post by: Sliverslinger on February 09, 2012, 05:57:49 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 09, 2012, 06:04:23 PM
I had a buddy say the same thing about fat chicks. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: nontypical176 on February 09, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
Post by: chuckster on February 09, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
Post by: Wazukie on February 09, 2012, 06:51:33 PM
17HMR
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.125 G1 Caliber: 0.170 in
Bullet Weight: 20.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 2550.0 ft/s
Sight Height: 1.50 in Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg
Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Target Speed: 20.0 mph
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 60.0 % Altitude: 2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 4.507 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07081 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 244 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 212 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 124 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 70.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.099 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) ( ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2550.0 2.284 288.7 0.000 0.0 ***
25 -0.5 -1.9 0.3 1.3 2387.7 2.139 253.1 0.030 10.7 40.9
50 0.1 0.2 1.4 2.7 2231.4 1.999 221.1 0.063 22.1 42.3
75 0.3 0.4 3.3 4.2 2080.8 1.864 192.2 0.098 34.4 43.8
100 -0.0 -0.0 6.1 5.9 1936.3 1.734 166.5 0.135 47.5 45.4
125 -0.9 -0.7 9.9 7.6 1798.3 1.611 143.6 0.175 61.7 47.1
150 -2.5 -1.6 14.8 9.4 1667.4 1.493 123.4 0.219 76.9 49.0
175 -4.8 -2.6 20.9 11.4 1544.5 1.383 105.9 0.265 93.4 51.0
200 -8.1 -3.9 28.3 13.5 1430.7 1.281 90.9 0.316 111. 53.1
225 -12.4 -5.3 37.2 15.8 1327.4 1.189 78.2 0.370 130.3 55.3
250 -18.0 -6.9 47.4 18.1 1236.0 1.107 67.8 0.429 151.0 57.7
275 -25.0 -8.7 59.2 20.5 1158.0 1.037 59.5 0.492 173.0 60.1
300 -33.6 -10.7 72.3 23.0 1094.2 0.980 53.2 0.558 196.5 62.6
22WMR
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.095 G1 Caliber: 0.220 in
Bullet Weight: 30.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 2200.0 ft/s
Sight Height: 1.50 in Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg
Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Target Speed: 20.0 mph
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 60.0 % Altitude: 2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 5.921 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07081 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 200 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 174 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 103 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 74.2 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.089 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2200.0 1.971 322.4 0.000 0.0 ***
25 -0.2 -0.7 0.6 2.2 2004.7 1.796 267.7 0.036 12.6 48.0
50 0.6 1.1 2.4 4.6 1820.3 1.630 220.7 0.075 26.4 50.4
75 0.7 0.9 5.6 7.2 1648.0 1.476 180.9 0.118 41.6 53.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 10.5 10.0 1489.9 1.335 147.8 0.166 58.5 55.9
125 -1.7 -1.3 17.1 13.1 1348.7 1.208 121.1 0.219 77.1 58.9
150 -4.5 -2.9 25.7 16.3 1227.5 1.099 100.4 0.277 97.7 62.2
175 -8.9 -4.8 36.1 19.7 1129.8 1.012 85.0 0.341 120.1 65.5
200 -14.9 -7.1 48.3 23.1 1055.3 0.945 74.2 0.410 144.3 68.9
225 -22.8 -9.7 62.1 26.4 998.1 0.894 66.4 0.483 170.1 72.2
250 -33.0 -12.6 77.2 29.5 951.8 0.853 60.3 0.560 197.2 75.3
275 -45.5 -15.8 93.5 32.5 912.3 0.817 55.4 0.641 225.5 78.3
300 -60.7 -19.3 111.1 35.4 877.5 0.786 51.3 0.725 255.1 81.2
Post by: dreamunelk on February 09, 2012, 06:54:47 PM
Guys, the .17 may be fun but I sure wouldn't want my friends seeing me with one. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I had a buddy say the same thing about fat chicks. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Same for Mopeds :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 09, 2012, 07:07:13 PM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_17HMR_22WMR.htm
-Steve
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 09, 2012, 07:17:46 PM
sounds like the 22 mag ..wins .... :chuckle::yeah: .17 HMR :pee: .22 Mag :IBCOOL:
Post by: trippledigitss on February 09, 2012, 08:08:26 PM
sounds like the 22 mag ..wins .... :chuckle::yeah: .17 HMR :pee: .22 Mag :IBCOOL:
:lol4: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: longrangekiller on February 09, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on February 09, 2012, 09:19:49 PM
Some more interesting ballistics between the 17hmr 20gr HP and 22WMR 30gr V-maxIt looks like the 17 ballistics are better. I resisted buying one, but I could not find one in .22Mag so I bought the Marlin 917V, I don't notice any real difference between that and the Marlin .22Mag I use to own, except that the .17 rounds seem to cycle better. The .22 seemed to hang up sometimes. As far as cost it is cheaper per round to shoot .233 reloads, but the rifle cost 5x as much.
17HMR
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.125 G1 Caliber: 0.170 in
Bullet Weight: 20.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 2550.0 ft/s
Sight Height: 1.50 in Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg
Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Target Speed: 20.0 mph
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 60.0 % Altitude: 2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 4.507 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07081 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 244 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 212 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 124 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 70.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.099 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) ( ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2550.0 2.284 288.7 0.000 0.0 ***
25 -0.5 -1.9 0.3 1.3 2387.7 2.139 253.1 0.030 10.7 40.9
50 0.1 0.2 1.4 2.7 2231.4 1.999 221.1 0.063 22.1 42.3
75 0.3 0.4 3.3 4.2 2080.8 1.864 192.2 0.098 34.4 43.8
100 -0.0 -0.0 6.1 5.9 1936.3 1.734 166.5 0.135 47.5 45.4
125 -0.9 -0.7 9.9 7.6 1798.3 1.611 143.6 0.175 61.7 47.1
150 -2.5 -1.6 14.8 9.4 1667.4 1.493 123.4 0.219 76.9 49.0
175 -4.8 -2.6 20.9 11.4 1544.5 1.383 105.9 0.265 93.4 51.0
200 -8.1 -3.9 28.3 13.5 1430.7 1.281 90.9 0.316 111. 53.1
225 -12.4 -5.3 37.2 15.8 1327.4 1.189 78.2 0.370 130.3 55.3
250 -18.0 -6.9 47.4 18.1 1236.0 1.107 67.8 0.429 151.0 57.7
275 -25.0 -8.7 59.2 20.5 1158.0 1.037 59.5 0.492 173.0 60.1
300 -33.6 -10.7 72.3 23.0 1094.2 0.980 53.2 0.558 196.5 62.6
22WMR
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.095 G1 Caliber: 0.220 in
Bullet Weight: 30.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 2200.0 ft/s
Sight Height: 1.50 in Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg
Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Target Speed: 20.0 mph
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 60.0 % Altitude: 2000.0 ft
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 5.921 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07081 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 200 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 174 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 103 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 74.2 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.089 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2200.0 1.971 322.4 0.000 0.0 ***
25 -0.2 -0.7 0.6 2.2 2004.7 1.796 267.7 0.036 12.6 48.0
50 0.6 1.1 2.4 4.6 1820.3 1.630 220.7 0.075 26.4 50.4
75 0.7 0.9 5.6 7.2 1648.0 1.476 180.9 0.118 41.6 53.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 10.5 10.0 1489.9 1.335 147.8 0.166 58.5 55.9
125 -1.7 -1.3 17.1 13.1 1348.7 1.208 121.1 0.219 77.1 58.9
150 -4.5 -2.9 25.7 16.3 1227.5 1.099 100.4 0.277 97.7 62.2
175 -8.9 -4.8 36.1 19.7 1129.8 1.012 85.0 0.341 120.1 65.5
200 -14.9 -7.1 48.3 23.1 1055.3 0.945 74.2 0.410 144.3 68.9
225 -22.8 -9.7 62.1 26.4 998.1 0.894 66.4 0.483 170.1 72.2
250 -33.0 -12.6 77.2 29.5 951.8 0.853 60.3 0.560 197.2 75.3
275 -45.5 -15.8 93.5 32.5 912.3 0.817 55.4 0.641 225.5 78.3
300 -60.7 -19.3 111.1 35.4 877.5 0.786 51.3 0.725 255.1 81.2
Post by: Special T on February 09, 2012, 09:37:05 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2012, 09:38:47 PM
I keep thinking that if I buy a 17hmr, it needs a good scope... and for that price i would rather buy and AR... And if i buy and AR i'd want a really nice scope.... So basically i don't buy a $2k set up AR because a $300 17 HMR isn't quite good enough.
Just get one of each, problem solved. ;)
Post by: jaymark6655 on February 09, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
That is why i have bought neither... I keep thinking that if I buy a 17hmr, it needs a good scope... and for that price i would rather buy and AR... And if i buy and AR i'd want a really nice scope.... So basically i don't buy a $2k set up AR because a $300 17 HMR isn't quite good enough. :bash: pretty goof y thinking huh? :o I think last time i went rat shooting 17 rounds were 18-19c ea and the .223 ball reloads were 24c ea...
I bought the .17 before I had started reloading. .17 usually cost me around 30 cents a round .223 reloads are like 18 cents a round.
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2012, 09:49:56 AM
My cousin has a buddy that built a multi stage 223 loader. apparently it works kinda like the multi stage shotgun loaders do... I want to see it in action some time... I've shot some of his stuff and it flew ok...
Post by: thinkingman on February 10, 2012, 09:54:24 AM
Neither did what I thought they should at 100yds.
I agree, .223rem centerfire is the better compromise.
I can shoot 22lr out to 75yds or so with Aguila SuperMax or Stingers.
Outside of that, it's time to bring in a centerfire.
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
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Post by: martin1 on February 11, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Where rimfires do have a place is restriced areas. In the Kittitas valley it used to be that if you were inside the KRD (Kittitas Resevour dist?) main ditch you had to use only a rim fire rifle... in that case a good argument could be made about 22mag or 17hmr.yes you still techniclly have to use a rim fire below the high line canal. or shot gun and muzzle loader. that is why i have my 17
Post by: Mookie on February 13, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
When the 17 HMR came along it blew the pants off the 22wmr in nearly every way, bullet weight/retained energy were the only area where the 22wmr won. It is more accurate, flatter, awesome bullet selection and hit like a ton of bricks. It put a serious well deserved smackdown on the wmr for good reason. The wmr had been coasting along with zero improvements in technology or performance and was coasting along because it was better than the 22lr. Now, in the last 7 years or so, ammo manufacturers have come up with amazing upgrades for the wmr, it's way more accurate, faster and flatter with a lot more bullet choices. Because of this, while generally not as accurate or as flat shooting as the hmr it is close. That is why I went with the 22wmr, modern technology made it worthwhile.
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Post by: TeacherMan on February 13, 2012, 09:36:30 PM
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