Private Gun Sale Document

[huntnphool]

 Is there a form or document to use for private gun sales that anyone knows about? Not necessarily to turn in for government use but to protect yourself.

[Time Immemorial]

Good question, I've wondered them same thing

[actionshooter]

http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652004.pdf

[huntnphool]

Good question, I've wondered them same thing

I've always wondered wht would happen if you purchased a firearm from someone and a while later that person reports it stolen, what would prevent this/CYA?

[huntnphool]

http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652004.pdf

Thank you, is there one for a long gun?

 Must this form actually be mailed in to cover yourself?

[actionshooter]

http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652004.pdf

Thank you, is there one for a long gun?

Not that I have seen

[Ridgeratt]

here's a record form as well

http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/p3312-8.pdf

[huntnphool]

http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652004.pdf

Thank you, is there one for a long gun?

Not that I have seen

Do you have any info/opinion on my above scenario?

[actionshooter]

http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652004.pdf

Thank you, is there one for a long gun?

Not that I have seen

Do you have any info/opinion on my above scenario?

I do a "bill of sale " just like a 2nd hand vehicle from a private party. I include a drivers liscense and a CPL if they have one.
 Make sure you include all info, specifically make, model, serial number.
  Both party's to sign and a copy for each. If they won't do that--no deal.

[actionshooter]

A little story, my cousin sold a pistol to a guy, it was registerd to my cousin. Not sure where it went after that guy bought it, but the WSP showed up at my cousins door about 2 years later to talk about that pistol....they recovered it at a gang shooting where a dirtbag was killed.
Thats was pretty easy to prove, but the bill of sale is insurance.

[MadHatter]

Just write up a bill of sale... That seller is selling XXX serial# ZZZZZZ to YYYYY on AA/BB/CCCC... Both sign it, buyer shows seller CPL, seller hand buyer gun, buyer hands seller money and both be on your way... Anything beyond that is just silly...

The less paperwork you have later on if the ATF comes knocking the better, because you really don't need them scrutinizing all your transaction, and subpoenaing ALL of your firearm sales.  The last thing I want is the ATF telling me that I crossed some magical line in the sand and that because I have sold a certain amount guns this year I am now a criminal  because I am now dealing firearms without a FFL. 

I do no paperwork when I sell firearms, if someone comes knocking the answer is "I sold it a few months back, if you need any other information please contact my attorney."

I know a lot of people, to include myself that will walk away from ANY sale involving a DOL form, even if it is just for the sellers records.  I will sign a bill of sale, and show you my CPL.  Anything beyond that and I will not complete the deal.  Some guys want a copy of your DL and CPL, which I also will not do.  I walked away from an amazing deal about a year ago because the guy wanted to take it to a gun store and fill out a 4473 and do a formal FFL transfer.  Its not that I cannot pass a NICS check, far from it... Its because it is unnecessary and way over the top.  You cannot "transfer" a firearm to someone in this state because it is not registered in the first place, so what is there to formally transfer?

[huntnphool]

Just write up a bill of sale... That seller is selling XXX serial# ZZZZZZ to YYYYY on AA/BB/CCCC... Both sign it, buyer shows seller CPL, seller hand buyer gun, buyer hands seller money and both be on your way... Anything beyond that is just silly...

The less paperwork you have later on if the ATF comes knocking the better, because you really don't need them scrutinizing all your transaction, and subpoenaing ALL of your firearm sales.  The last thing I want is the ATF telling me that I crossed some magical line in the sand and that because I have sold a certain amount guns this year I am now a criminal  because I am now dealing firearms without a FFL. 

I do no paperwork when I sell firearms, if someone comes knocking the answer is "I sold it a few months back, if you need any other information please contact my attorney."

I know a lot of people, to include myself that will walk away from ANY sale involving a DOL form, even if it is just for the sellers records.  I will sign a bill of sale, and show you my CPL.  Anything beyond that and I will not complete the deal.  Some guys want a copy of your DL and CPL, which I also will not do.  I walked away from an amazing deal about a year ago because the guy wanted to take it to a gun store and fill out a 4473 and do a formal FFL transfer.  Its not that I cannot pass a NICS check, far from it... Its because it is unnecessary and way over the top.  You cannot "transfer" a firearm to someone in this state because it is not registered in the first place, so what is there to formally transfer?

I hear ya but how do you cover your ass in my above scenario?

[csaaphill]

ya bill of sale is good enough. with all the info on the gun and both party's signing it. make a copy one for you one for him should be good enough.

[Zardoz]

  Out of state license, no deal.

[MadHatter]

I hear ya but how do you cover your ass in my above scenario?

Cover your ass from what?  You have done nothing illegal in selling a firearm to someone that you reasonably believed was allowed to posses a firearm, what they do with it from there is on them.  If there is no crime, what is there to cover really?  I would also have all further questions go through a lawyer, or if they wanted to arrest me I would be asking for a lawyer forthwith.  But if you follow all the laws, and have not committed a crime, there really would be nothing to cover. 

I guess to revise my answer it would be more along the line of "I sold that firearm a few months back to an individual that produced sufficient documentation for a reasonable person to believe that they were allowed to posses a firearm, and were of the proper age to receive said firearm.  I followed all applicable laws and regulations, and committed no crime in selling the firearm to another private citizen.  Any further questions will need to go though my attorney.  I will be exercising my right to remain silent from here on out, and if you choose to arrest me I would like my attorney present before further questioning."

Am I sort of antagonistic? You bet. But I am not someone that submits to the "If you have nothing to hid, let me look in your trunk/car/house."  I am a firm believer in not being harassed by the police if you have committed no crime.  I am also someone who will refuse to provide ID to an officer that is not warranted in asking for ID.  My usual answer is "If I am not suspected of committing a crime, I am not compelled by law to provide you with any identification, if you are not detaining me, am I free to go?"  Three times in my life I have told an officer to pound sand when they have asked for ID.