How about UNCLE TED Baiting Bear in WA

[bucklucky]

I'm with ya Machias!

[JoshT]

Hell... then maybe we should hunt deer over salt licks and use hounds to chase them down too. We'd 'wound' less deer... and everyone would shoot monster bucks... wow, sounds like a plan... NOT.

Whatever... to each their own... I just know I wouldn't be too proud of a bear I shot while it was treed by dogs (or over a bunch of syrup soaked dog food)... no matter how big it was.

[Machias]

I thought you said educated... because it's painfully obvious you have tried neither method. 

P.S.  It is currently legal to hunt deer over salt licks.  Running deer with hounds is nothing like running game that trees.  Running deer with dogs is legal in some states but does not lend it's self to being able to look your animal over and decide whether is the right size or age or if it has young ones.  In actuality we'd wound more deer if we tried hunting them with dogs, they don't tree.

[bucklucky]

Hell... then maybe we should hunt deer over salt licks and use hounds to chase them down too. We'd 'wound' less deer... and everyone would shoot monster bucks... wow, sounds like a plan... NOT.

Whatever... to each their own... I just know I wouldn't be too proud of a bear I shot while it was treed by dogs (or over a bunch of syrup soaked dog food)... no matter how big it was.

OH MY !  Must be a bunny hugger, grannola munchin, tree huggin ........ah never mind 

[Bobm]

Hound hunting is as old as hunting itself.

The two go hand in hand and should be legal.

[Curly]

Whatever... to each their own...

Josh, I'll agree with you on the "to each their own" part.  People like you is the reason why the stupid initiative passed.  If you don't want to hunt a certain way then don't.  But hunting with hounds and baiting bears were two great ways for harvesting bears and many people liked doing it.

I couldn't understand all those people voting for the ban.................just because they didn't want to hunt that way why should they restrict others from it?

[bow4elk]

I was at the senate committee hearing in Olympia and testified using data and facts I compiled from the USF&W Service, DU, RMEF, FNAWS, NWTF, B&C, P&Y, etc.  Wish I could find it because I'd post it here.

It was not opinion; it was a list of wildlife population FACTS as a direct result of hunting/conservation dollars and proactive action by the hunting community nationwide.  I also spewed financial data on the positive impact that hunting has on local economies in our state, among the basic benefit hound hunting and baiting provide the resource - better male/female identification, close range clean kills, etc.

If you were there you heard testimony from the WDFW personnel who's job it is to oversee predator managment.  Their expert (it's their day job!) testimony wasn't enough.  Public emotion won over WDFW facts and figures.  I was dumbfounded.  Why do we employ a whole state agency to manage wildlife resources, then put up critical issue in the hands of ignorant, emotional general public?!

Some woman actually stood up and said (paraphrase) "I've been a cat owner all my life and I just can't understand why anyone would want to shoot them!"  I couldn't believe my ears!  A panel of senators listening to this horsecrap on my tax dollar?!

This is precisely what happens when you put emotions before wildlife science and basic ecosystem management.

And for anyone out there who doesn't like a particular method of hunting, I have two suggestions:

1. Try it before you criticize.  Early in my hunting career I too was personally against baiting until I spent a month trying it and found that it's not easy, bears are always unpredictable and will go cold on a bait in an instant.  I have not run cats with hounds (yet), but know far too many who have to know that it is tireless, exhausting endeavor that often ends without a shot.  Bottom line, if YOU don't like it, then choose not to do it.

2. Think about the big picture with how you vote.  I choose to hunt with a bow because that's my preference and fits my view and satisfaction of hunting, but I'll fight to my grave for the rights of gun hunters because in the end, it's not about ME; it's about HUNTING as a whole.

[bucklucky]

Well said  Bow!

[JBar]

Well put Bow!

[WDFW-SUX]

Anyone know what a baited on hunt on the Rez would cost me?

Some woman actually stood up and said (paraphrase) "I've been a cat owner all my life and I just can't understand why anyone would want to shoot them!"  I couldn't believe my ears!  A panel of senators listening to this horsecrap on my tax dollar?!

Im glad that there are people like that deciding how and if we are going to be able to hunt.  Thanks for allowing the BAN WDFW way to look out for the hunters of this state,...........thanks again

[JBar]

Depending on who you booked with but it could be any where between 1400 to about 2500 for a 4 day hunt. Be careful of the cheaper guides that are advertising and do your homework. I hunted with the same guide Ted did and he was 1500.00 + 250 for the tag. Did not include meals and lodging though he did say we could do a fishing trip if we booked during one of the runs. PM if you want his number.

JBar

[huntnfmly]

Machias & bow very well put.Josh your an uneducated idiot on this point

[JBar]

Quinault spring bear

[littletoes]

Regardless of how anybody feels, the facts that Machias quoted are true.

Doesn't that speak for itself? More cubs and females are being killed now, than ever before.

JoshT, I don't know you, and you don't know me, I've seen a couple of your posts, both being abusive and attacking. You must be a kid, or just the type of person who believes his views are always best, either way your not off to a good start.

[Rhinoron247]

Thanks guys for the support on my initial rant.  Machias you hit it on the head. I am all for having an opinion on a subject but don't you dare try to cram it down my throat and force me to choose your way just because you think its right or better. 

It would be just as retarded for me to dis someone for not bait hunting.  How frick'n stupid. 

It sounds like JoshT might need to sell his Subaru and add more meat to his diet.  Just a thought?