A couple of years ago my son and I were hunting grouse up the Whynoochee drainage, we saw two of the smallest bucks I have laid eyes on, playing king of the mountain on an ant hill. Both were forkies, probably twins, I could have picked one up in each hand. Seriously they could not have weighed more then 50 lbs each on the hoof. After a week in Winthrop those two looked un-naturally small.