Inheriting Bonus Points

[Curly]

I think that if we as hunters were to put any effort into the current point system it should be strictly to abolish it...

Amen!

[bobcat]

This topic was mentioned at a GMAC meeting a few months ago...I can't recall an idea ever getting squashed so quickly in my life!

 

Not a surprise, but nevertheless, good to hear. This is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've ever heard of. If our state did something like this we'd be the laughing stock of every other state in the country, that's for sure.   

[Mfowl]

I voted no! Remove the high point totals that haven't drawn and let the youngin's build there's up like the rest of us have. I would however support kids carrying their unused youth points over in to adulthood.

[danderson]

  I vote no, the real issue here is that  many of our senior sportsmen are getting to the age were they wont be able to take advantage of a special permit if they ever did end up drawing one for example, I have a good friend that's been putting in since day one of the current special permit system, he has 17 points for Quality Elk, 17 points for Special Elk, 17 points for Moose, 17 points for Goat, and 17 points for sheep, he just turned 73 years old, for what ever reason my friend cant seem to draw a permit and the odds just get worse, along with his ability to hike more than a mile from the truck, the two of us have come up with a solution to the problem, offer a cash out so to speak option for seniors that choose to, let them combine there  total points earned to one particular hunt, its still not a guarantee that they will draw but a heck of a lot better.

[billythekidrock]

  I vote no, the real issue here is that  many of our senior sportsmen are getting to the age were they wont be able to take advantage of a special permit if they ever did end up drawing one for example, I have a good friend that's been putting in since day one of the current special permit system, he has 17 points for Quality Elk, 17 points for Special Elk, 17 points for Moose, 17 points for Goat, and 17 points for sheep, he just turned 73 years old, for what ever reason my friend cant seem to draw a permit and the odds just get worse, along with his ability to hike more than a mile from the truck, the two of us have come up with a solution to the problem, offer a cash out so to speak option for seniors that choose to, let them combine there  total points earned to one particular hunt, its still not a guarantee that they will draw but a heck of a lot better.

The problem here is that he is obviously putting in for specific and limited permits. If he opens up his options just a bit he will draw.

[kentrek]

Id back this as long point creep was minimized, prolly not a problem for awhile but eventually it would happen

Make folks pick certain categories like idaho an limit peoples options...

Add more tags !!!!!!!! spread people out !!! have a five year wait after drawing quality....

Why couldn't WDFW contact the pre determined family member and say "your father had desiganted you the benificiary of his bonus points. You get to choose one set of points that he accumulated from any of the species he has points for."

That would be the only way to do it...getting all points would speed up point creep too fast an people would complain

Anytime points don't disappear when they potentially could have your going to encounter point creep,by reducing it down to one category and tweaking the current system to cancel out the minimal point creep created,there should be no reason anybody could cry foul...

I don't have any numbers to play with (I doubt Washington does either) but off the top of my head if we implemented your idea and we just eliminated "poacher reward points" it would offset point creep to way beyond the current "supposed" point creep rate

[idahohuntr]

the two of us have come up with a solution to the problem, offer a cash out so to speak option for seniors that choose to, let them combine there  total points earned to one particular hunt, its still not a guarantee that they will draw but a heck of a lot better.

Oh god!  This is a bad idea gone horribly wrong  So your friend and his 5 categories of 17 points equals 85 points.  With 85 something points that equals 7225 names in the hat... There are several hundred guys with 17+ moose, sheep, goat points right now and that number will just continue to build.  Im guessing many of them are seniors...you wanna talk about driving up point totals to a place where if you don't have hundreds of points to throw at a specific hunt you might as well forget it!

Remember, there are no free lunches in these ponzi schemes...giving opportunity to one group means you are taking it from another.  In this case you would be providing opportunity to seniors and to do so you would have to take away from new applicants, most likely younger kids.  No thanks...Grandpa probably got to enjoy a lot more quality hunting than his grand kids ever will...so I am not inclined to punish them with this bad idea.

[danderson]

I disagree completely, put yourself in there shoes

[winshooter88]

So far there are only 29 yes votes to 46 no votes, which makes for a very small group even discussing this. The WDFW is never going to commit the time and money that it would take to implement a program like this, let alone manage it. One of the reasons that they put points in every category when they changed the permit system, was to avoid the cost and hassles of trying to get peoples points where the hunters wanted them if you could only choose one category. Managing this would be a nightmare as far as they are concerned. Also it wouldn't bring in enough money to make it worth doing. After the complaints they received on the change to permit categories, I can just imagine the possible backlash this idea would create.

[returnofsid]

Let's just give our kids yet ANOTHER reason to kill us off!!

[Bob33]

Permit draws are a zero sum game. When you increase one applicant's odds you decrease someone else's. No way around it. A certain recipe for fraud and complaints.

[danderson]

My idea of the cash out option would reduce your odds initially, but would increase your odds exponentially in the following years for drawing a permit

[boneaddict]

Our system is already screwed beyond belief.   Best option...NO POINTS    I don't think we need to make it more messed up.

[arees]

The points you bought were for the improving your odds of drawing a tag while you are alive.  They were not a guarantee that you will draw anything no matter how long you live.  They were not something you could sell, trade, inherit or transfer.  They have no cash value.

There are too few animals and too many hunters.  Any scheme you come up with is simply taking the chance to hunt that animal from one person and giving it to another.  Which person is more deserving?  Who knows.  If someone is really deserving, hold a charity event.  The people on this site have proven to be quite generous on charity events.

I have a house with a mortgage.  It would be nice if the bank forgave the remainder of the mortgage when I died so my son could get the house without any debt.  Should I suggest this to my banker?

[idahohuntr]

My idea of the cash out option would reduce your odds initially, but would increase your odds exponentially in the following years for drawing a permit

Your idea, like other ponzi schemes, would be great for people who got in at the base level (e.g., those with 17 points in multiple categories right now).  Most of the highest quality tags would go to those guys which means everyone else putting in for the really high quality tags would have significantly reduced odds and they too would have to build points in many categories for several decades and wait until they became a senior to "cash in" so they too could draw. 

Do you folks who believe you are entitled to a permit and thus we need to change the system to give you (or your heirs) significantly better odds make these same arguments to the State Lottery Office?  I mean, I know guys who have been buying lottery tickets for 30+ years and they still haven't hit the jackpot...it'd be nice if the state would at least let them cash-out and get their money back with interest if they don't win before they die