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"bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them. RCW 77.15.245The officer and the prosecutor would have to prove that the salt was placed there for the purpose of attracting bears to an area where someone intends to hunt them. And this is always the sticking point for successful prosecution.If someone is putting apples out for deer and it's the opening day of archery deer season and a bear walks in can you then legally shoot the bear? Well by the law you did not place the apples in the area for bear, but rather for deer. Now if you shoot the bear and around the corner walks the WDFW Officer are you going to have some explaining to do? You betcha.In 2012 all fish and wildlife crimes became mandatory court appearances. But even before then bear baiting was already a mandatory court appearance (one of the few F&W offenses that at that time was a mandatory), it wasn't a ticket with a fine.
Quote from: bigtex on July 31, 2015, 01:06:48 PM"bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them. RCW 77.15.245The officer and the prosecutor would have to prove that the salt was placed there for the purpose of attracting bears to an area where someone intends to hunt them. And this is always the sticking point for successful prosecution.If someone is putting apples out for deer and it's the opening day of archery deer season and a bear walks in can you then legally shoot the bear? Well by the law you did not place the apples in the area for bear, but rather for deer. Now if you shoot the bear and around the corner walks the WDFW Officer are you going to have some explaining to do? You betcha.In 2012 all fish and wildlife crimes became mandatory court appearances. But even before then bear baiting was already a mandatory court appearance (one of the few F&W offenses that at that time was a mandatory), it wasn't a ticket with a fine.What about if you weren't even the one that put the bait down and you were just near it? Thanks for chiming in btw. Was hoping you would
Integrity?
Quote from: Woodchuck on July 31, 2015, 01:06:04 PMIntegrity?Huh? All you're required to do is show your hunting license. Why would you volunteer information that could be used against you, even though you did nothing wrong?
Quote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:02:18 PMQuote from: Jonathan_S on July 31, 2015, 08:51:28 AMI wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait That's what I'm talking about right there. You wouldn't hunt bears close to it since someone else might be hunting elk there later? Not me. If I was elk hunting and thought they would be too I would find a new area but not if I was hunting a different species in a different season.
Quote from: Jonathan_S on July 31, 2015, 08:51:28 AMI wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait That's what I'm talking about right there.
I wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait
Quote from: bobcat on July 31, 2015, 01:15:21 PMQuote from: Woodchuck on July 31, 2015, 01:06:04 PMIntegrity?Huh? All you're required to do is show your hunting license. Why would you volunteer information that could be used against you, even though you did nothing wrong?Hunting over bait is wrong.
Quote from: vandeman17 on July 31, 2015, 01:03:40 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:02:18 PMQuote from: Jonathan_S on July 31, 2015, 08:51:28 AMI wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait That's what I'm talking about right there. You wouldn't hunt bears close to it since someone else might be hunting elk there later? Not me. If I was elk hunting and thought they would be too I would find a new area but not if I was hunting a different species in a different season. What I'm saying is that if I run across another hunters bait pile regardless of the animal he's baiting, I won't hunt around it at anytime.
Quote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:18:05 PMQuote from: vandeman17 on July 31, 2015, 01:03:40 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:02:18 PMQuote from: Jonathan_S on July 31, 2015, 08:51:28 AMI wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait That's what I'm talking about right there. You wouldn't hunt bears close to it since someone else might be hunting elk there later? Not me. If I was elk hunting and thought they would be too I would find a new area but not if I was hunting a different species in a different season. What I'm saying is that if I run across another hunters bait pile regardless of the animal he's baiting, I won't hunt around it at anytime. Exactly! Why step on someones spot.
Quote from: rtspring on July 31, 2015, 01:21:41 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:18:05 PMQuote from: vandeman17 on July 31, 2015, 01:03:40 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:02:18 PMQuote from: Jonathan_S on July 31, 2015, 08:51:28 AMI wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait That's what I'm talking about right there. You wouldn't hunt bears close to it since someone else might be hunting elk there later? Not me. If I was elk hunting and thought they would be too I would find a new area but not if I was hunting a different species in a different season. What I'm saying is that if I run across another hunters bait pile regardless of the animal he's baiting, I won't hunt around it at anytime. Exactly! Why step on someones spot. So putting out bait and a camera means that other guys won't hunt my spot? Sweet! I am just going to put 10 cameras out so I can have a whole basin to myself! I am exaggerating here but I think you see my point. Would I set up and sit over another guy's bait site, heck no. Would I even set up with a few hundred yards, most likely not but am I going to leave the area entirely because some guy has a camera and some salt out? Nope.
Quote from: vandeman17 on July 31, 2015, 01:26:18 PMQuote from: rtspring on July 31, 2015, 01:21:41 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:18:05 PMQuote from: vandeman17 on July 31, 2015, 01:03:40 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on July 31, 2015, 01:02:18 PMQuote from: Jonathan_S on July 31, 2015, 08:51:28 AMI wouldn't hunt it but because somebody else is and not because of the bait That's what I'm talking about right there. You wouldn't hunt bears close to it since someone else might be hunting elk there later? Not me. If I was elk hunting and thought they would be too I would find a new area but not if I was hunting a different species in a different season. What I'm saying is that if I run across another hunters bait pile regardless of the animal he's baiting, I won't hunt around it at anytime. Exactly! Why step on someones spot. So putting out bait and a camera means that other guys won't hunt my spot? Sweet! I am just going to put 10 cameras out so I can have a whole basin to myself! I am exaggerating here but I think you see my point. Would I set up and sit over another guy's bait site, heck no. Would I even set up with a few hundred yards, most likely not but am I going to leave the area entirely because some guy has a camera and some salt out? Nope. I get what your saying. I would just wander off to another spot. Luckily few go where I go so for me I doubt it will ever be an issue. But we both know what SOME would do!!
I thought about starting a new topic, but I think this fits in with this one. So there is certain orchard in E. WA where the bears year after year are destroying trees. I have been invited to hunt there by the owner. Would that be considered baiting or hunting over bait? I at first thought not, but I am now questioning it.I did not plant the trees and they were not put there for attracting any wildlife, but owners report bear there on a weekly basis at least.