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[Houndhunter]

That will never go through. Hikers buy a ton of trail park passes and they have droves of people who "maintain trails" as well as non profit groups who are stewards of the wilderness. Not saying I agree with all of their organizations but they are not exactly the type of user group that you can just "close the door" for the sake of hunting. In fact I think that sort of totalitarian thinking and ownership line of thought is more problematic to hunters in general. No single user groups owns the public lands. It has to be shared reasonably.. Even if you feel disdain with another user group. Pitting hikers versus hunters and closures for hikers is not really the answer.

Compromise isn't solving anything.  Compromise is the noose closing ever so gently tighter around your neck.  Compromising on Archery/Muzzy equip. versus firearm seems very logical and if they have a willing ear will, they will listen.  However, the writing is on the wall and the noose tightens.  If they can keep you out of the public lands in August, how about Labor day too, since that is popular?  How about the weekends, since more people hike on weekends?  

 

[billythekidrock]

My question is who is going to kill the bears?  What happens when the bears start attacking/eating the hikers themselves?  

Wouldn't that be sweet revenge.

[billythekidrock]

That will never go through. Hikers buy a ton of trail park passes and they have droves of people who "maintain trails" as well as non profit groups who are stewards of the wilderness. Not saying I agree with all of their organizations but they are not exactly the type of user group that you can just "close the door" for the sake of hunting. In fact I think that sort of totalitarian thinking and ownership line of thought is more problematic to hunters in general. No single user groups owns the public lands. It has to be shared reasonably.. Even if you feel disdain with another user group. Pitting hikers versus hunters and closures for hikers is not really the answer.

Compromise isn't solving anything.  Compromise is the noose closing ever so gently tighter around your neck.  Compromising on Archery/Muzzy equip. versus firearm seems very logical and if they have a willing ear will, they will listen.  However, the writing is on the wall and the noose tightens.  If they can keep you out of the public lands in August, how about Labor day too, since that is popular?  How about the weekends, since more people hike on weekends?  

 

I understand your position, but the way I see it written we don't have a choice. If it goes through there will be NO hunting on public lands in August. No compromise on their part.
We have to fight for what we want which is all weapons for bear in August, but again, what if they don't compromise and say NO hunting bears in August? Do we just give up? No, we come at them with a well thought out alternative. That is not compromise on my/our part. Either we lose it all or we keep a little.
It's up you people out there to make it work.

[billythekidrock]

I can't believe this!  Who wants to surrender, run up a white flag and discuss a few ways to find some "middle ground" so we can hunt in August?

I know that Teddy would have charged the hill.  

Pull your head out and read what we are saying.
None of us want to find middle ground right off the bat, but if you know anything about politics or war, you need a backup plan.

[300rum]

I understand your position, but the way I see it written we don't have a choice. If it goes through there will be NO hunting on public lands in August. No compromise on their part.
We have to fight for what we want which is all weapons for bear in August, but again, what if they don't compromise and say NO hunting bears in August? Do we just give up? No, we come at them with a well thought out alternative. That is not compromise on my/our part. Either we lose it all or we keep a little.
It's up you people out there to make it work.
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Sorry, I don't compromise.  There is too much on the line.  It is bigger than bears in August.

Too much compromising going on.  

[Ray]

That will never go through. Hikers buy a ton of trail park passes and they have droves of people who "maintain trails" as well as non profit groups who are stewards of the wilderness. Not saying I agree with all of their organizations but they are not exactly the type of user group that you can just "close the door" for the sake of hunting. In fact I think that sort of totalitarian thinking and ownership line of thought is more problematic to hunters in general. No single user groups owns the public lands. It has to be shared reasonably.. Even if you feel disdain with another user group. Pitting hikers versus hunters and closures for hikers is not really the answer.

Compromise isn't solving anything.  Compromise is the noose closing ever so gently tighter around your neck.  Compromising on Archery/Muzzy equip. versus firearm seems very logical and if they have a willing ear will, they will listen.  However, the writing is on the wall and the noose tightens.  If they can keep you out of the public lands in August, how about Labor day too, since that is popular?  How about the weekends, since more people hike on weekends?  

That's a neat pitch but unfortunately this proposal already proves the legitimacy and voice of the hikers as a user group is much more loud than the hunters. I think you're also making my counter proposal into something which it was obviously not. I think if you want to be angry and argue something like this you should do it with the WDFW. My entire point was that you cannot say that the hunters close the wilderness to everyone else including hikers just for hunting season. It is completely out of touch with reality and it will never happen on public land. Once you digest that you can move forward and think about how to tackle the problem. Of course I already mentioned that I don't like the proposal but it seems to me the letters I wrote last fall didn't work and I doubt that the ship is going to change course much by March since they have their minds set on a change.

[billythekidrock]

I understand your position, but the way I see it written we don't have a choice. If it goes through there will be NO hunting on public lands in August. No compromise on their part.
We have to fight for what we want which is all weapons for bear in August, but again, what if they don't compromise and say NO hunting bears in August? Do we just give up? No, we come at them with a well thought out alternative. That is not compromise on my/our part. Either we lose it all or we keep a little.
It's up you people out there to make it work.

Sorry, I don't compromise.  There is too much on the line.  It is bigger than bears in August.

Too much compromising going on.  

The only way to win is with small victories. Look at PETA and such. In years past they attacked all hunting and they didn't win. They then regrouped and went after the weaker groups and won. We need each user group to come up with solid plans, with facts, not emotion, and then we need to support those groups or we will all lose. Lord knows F&G is not on our side.

[300rum]

None of us want to find middle ground right off the bat, but if you know anything about politics or war, you need a backup plan.

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Know way to much about politics and some about the wars that we have fought in the past 30 some years to have a backup plan that means to compromise.

Plan one is to win.  Back up is to win. Giving up a little is what has been going to for too long.

[Ray]

I'll be watching for your victory lap. Seriously I hope we don't lose out. You can leave the tired old scolding tone somewhere else. I think we all know what is at stake here.

[300rum]

I'll be watching for your victory lap. Seriously I hope we don't lose out. You can leave the tired old scolding tone somewhere else. I think we all know what is at stake here.

No one is being scolded.  My fear is that we aren't going to see any victory laps again.  The passion that we all love has slowly been eroded for years.  I want to see BTKR in the woods in August forever.  Compromising on our instrument of choice in order to have a piece of what we once had is not any victory at all, it is the slow deterioration, to what I feel, is the inevitable.   

[billythekidrock]

Again, I hear you, but answer me this.

If F&G says No hunting in August and we tell them we want to the way we always have and they still say no, then what is our option?

[Ray]

I hear your words. You need not repeat them. I believe my propsal would be just and I think this battle is already partially lost. It was fought last fall when I sent letters and made one phone call about it. The ship is already on course from my point of view. I hope I am wrong but that's just what I think. We're all adults here and I don't need someone to continually beat my remarks around as if I said something which I did not or as if I don't understand what is at stake. Such as I never said a compromise was a victory. Let it rest a bit. Some of this stuff with regards to archery season is even more disturbing than this bear hunting change to me.

[300rum]

I know what you mean about archery, FYI, I don't gun hunt, only archery.  I haven't a clue why they took an axe to it.  It doesn't suprise me either.

[300rum]

Again, I hear you, but answer me this.

If F&G says No hunting in August and we tell them we want to the way we always have and they still say no, then what is our option?

The only option we have is to find out if we have any pro-hunting members of the legislature and try to find out who made the noise on this one.  I don't think that there is anyone at the F&G level that want to tackle this one, they caved at the first chance.  There was a forrest harvester, or whatever you call them, shot in Elk season too.  If that happens again, who is to say that they won't go after those season's?

[bowhuntin]

Again, I hear you, but answer me this.

If F&G says No hunting in August and we tell them we want to the way we always have and they still say no, then what is our option?

The only option we have is to find out if we have any pro-hunting members of the legislature and try to find out who made the noise on this one.  I don't think that there is anyone at the F&G level that want to tackle this one, they caved at the first chance.  There was a forrest harvester, or whatever you call them, shot in Elk season too.  If that happens again, who is to say that they won't go after those season's?

I posted an announcement by the WSAA, WSB and TBW of what took place with the archery seasons. It is worth reading IMO.

So let me get this straight WDFW isn't going to allow any bear hunting statewide in August or only in certain areas, either way this proposal should be fought.