28 Desert Unit bucks taken by Yakima Indian Nation rumor or truth?

[trapp01]

Trapps onto something,  somebody tell Tibet stop fighting, you belong to China. Iraqis', give it up, ISIS is here to stay. S. Korea, enough okay. Resistance is futile, conform or die.

Wow completely off. Extremist much?

[Rainier10]

So I think what everyone (non natives) wants is for the tribes to have to follow the same rules as non natives.

There are a couple of natives that shoot multiple big bulls and multiple big bucks on winter range each year.

Do you really think that making a law saying they can't do that is going to stop them?

Did it stop Bonepart in "Operation Cody" from poaching?  Once caught did he get the full wrath of the court system?

No.  Start punishing the people that are abusing the resource that you can punish. Once you get that under control then move on to trying to get the abuse to stop by certain tribal members.

[bobcat]

I don't think anyone would ever expect the Yakama tribe to give up their right to hunt. But there's no reason why they can't be expected to have some kind of limit to how many animals a person can take per year. They also should be required to limit their harvest in those areas such as the Desert GMU where we have no general season. It defeats the purpose of us having certain units as permit only hunts if the Yakamas can go in there and take out as many as they want. Seriously, one tribal member could legally kill 100 bucks in the Desert unit in one year. How is that right? How is it that the WDFW can require the Yakama tribe to limit their harvest of bighorn sheep and mountain goats but not deer and elk?

[Rainier10]

I don't think anyone is advocating for the Yakama's to give up their right to hunt, they just want it restricted to the same rules as everyone else.

No one is asking for you to give up your guns, they just want you to register them all so they know who has how many guns.

Both are rights that neither side wants to give an inch for fear that it will turn into 10 inches and then a mile.

[sagerat]

I don't think anyone is advocating for the Yakama's to give up their right to hunt, they just want it restricted to the same rules as everyone else.

No one is asking for you to give up your guns, they just want you to register them all so they know who has how many guns.

Both are rights that neither side wants to give an inch for fear that it will turn into 10 inches and then a mile.

We can all own guns. We can't all hunt the winter range whenever we want. You can't compare the two.

[Rainier10]

I don't think anyone is advocating for the Yakama's to give up their right to hunt, they just want it restricted to the same rules as everyone else.

No one is asking for you to give up your guns, they just want you to register them all so they know who has how many guns.

Both are rights that neither side wants to give an inch for fear that it will turn into 10 inches and then a mile.

We can all own guns. We can't all hunt the winter range whenever we want. You can't compare the two.

We can all own guns because that is a right we are given in the constitution.  Natives can hunt winter range because that is the right they were given in the treaty.

How is it different for us to not budge on our right to firearms but expect the natives to budge on their right to hunt?

If you had the right to hunt winter range or even if hunting was a right given to you in the constitution you would fight tooth and nail to keep that right.

Hunting for non natives is a privilege, like a drivers license, it can be taken away.  Hunting for natives is a right.

[trophyhunt]

I don't think anyone would ever expect the Yakama tribe to give up their right to hunt. But there's no reason why they can't be expected to have some kind of limit to how many animals a person can take per year. They also should be required to limit their harvest in those areas such as the Desert GMU where we have no general season. It defeats the purpose of us having certain units as permit only hunts if the Yakamas can go in there and take out as many as they want. Seriously, one tribal member could legally kill 100 bucks in the Desert unit in one year. How is that right? How is it that the WDFW can require the Yakama tribe to limit their harvest of bighorn sheep and mountain goats but not deer and elk?

exactly, and we need stiffer penalties to those who are caught, and a change of attitude from the native elders, the few natives that do over harvest need punished by the tribes. 

[Tbar]

On a positive note it's 274 days until September 1st.

[Rainier10]

On a positive note it's 274 days until September 1st.

There's a multi season draw before that and a permit draw also that we can complain about until then.

DNRY

[bobcat]

I don't think anyone would ever expect the Yakama tribe to give up their right to hunt. But there's no reason why they can't be expected to have some kind of limit to how many animals a person can take per year. They also should be required to limit their harvest in those areas such as the Desert GMU where we have no general season. It defeats the purpose of us having certain units as permit only hunts if the Yakamas can go in there and take out as many as they want. Seriously, one tribal member could legally kill 100 bucks in the Desert unit in one year. How is that right? How is it that the WDFW can require the Yakama tribe to limit their harvest of bighorn sheep and mountain goats but not deer and elk?

exactly, and we need stiffer penalties to those who are caught, and a change of attitude from the native elders, the few natives that do over harvest need punished by the tribes.

There's no such thing as over harvesting by a Yakama, since they have absolutely no limits and no seasons. So there can't be punishment for something that is 100% legal. And that's the problem.

[Badhabit]

Is the answer then to make all units for all game general seasons?

[Tbar]

Is the answer then to make all units for all game general seasons?

And everyone would complain about that too. 

[Rainier10]

Is the answer then to make all units for all game general seasons?

And everyone would complain about that too.

[trophyhunt]

Is the answer then to make all units for all game general seasons?

maybe?  What would happen if we open up all units, except watersheds, and go back to when you could hunt all three weapons without a permit.? What would happen if the hunting was so bad in this state from complete over harvest? Say even the natives were affected, like when the buffalo were brought to the brink of extinction here.  Would that force a round table meeting of the tribes and state, would it force changes?  Yes I know it's a cut off your nose dispite your face thought, and it will never happen because the Wdfw wants its money, but what if?

[OutHouse]

Apply pressure to the state legislature to make our laws as good as the Native's in terms of seasons, bag limits etc.. Does no good to whine about it online.

You've got to be kidding. So you think we should pressure the state to give us a year around season with absolutely no limit to how many deer or elk each person can kill per year?

And as to the whining about it online, it actually does do some good, because it's due to all the "whining" over the last several years on this site that I've been made aware of how bad the problem really is.

Many of the Yakama tribal members kill trophy size deer and elk for no reason other than to sell the heads. And again, they can kill as many as they want, and there is no season. If we all could do that, there would be no deer or elk left in the state.

Nope not kidding. That is the remedy whether anyone chooses to pursue it or not. By the way please shoot us some links about this alleged shooting of trophies just to sell the heads. I am seriously interested to look into that, but as your comment stands now its just an anecdote. Anecdotes are pretty useless when you are trying to make a factual point.