SB 5474 Would Create Year Round, Unlimited Season on Hoof Rot Elk

[bbarnes]

Yes the same tests on all 76 elk that were killed by WDFW

[Tbar]

How is this possible when WDFW has killed 76 elk,and only 4 of these elk had trepaniemes.three of them had leptospirosis, a total of 7 tested positive.trepaniemes are a secondary virus,so what's killing them ?

Where did you get this info? Just curious.

[bbarnes]

From going to every hoof rot meeting! I would also like to know,where all the the elk hunters were during testimony.All the hunting groups need to take a lesson, from the gays,lesbians and environmentalist in this county,THEY SHOW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[garrett89]

No, keep the general seasons the same and not any additional tags. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 unless you kill a wolf. Lol. Wolf management and logging/pesticide usage should be the subjects to discuss among the wildlife whoever comes up with this stuff.

[Browndawg]

From going to every hoof rot meeting! I would also like to know,where all the the elk hunters were during testimony.All the hunting groups need to take a lesson, from the gays,lesbians and environmentalist in this county,THEY SHOW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for representing us bbarnes. I am just getting educated on this mess through this forum and a little on the word wide webbernet. I'm with the masses of the group on this. I don't like the bill.

 I like the idea of having an incentive for hunters to kill infected elk. Give a hunter 2 preference points toward their Quality Bull/Bull/Antlerless. Or automatically give them a Multi-Season Elk permit. The infected elk would be inspected to verify it had hoof rot of course. I would drop one in a second if I knew I would be rewarded for it somehow.

Of course I've never been known to discriminate what is in my sights. Seems like more limping elk may turn the advantage in my favor.

[konradcountry]

This is not hoof rot,its a lack of habitat putting these animals into poor body condition.The timber company's are killing all of the spring, and fall habitat by spraying the toxins on the clear cuts.The first sentance of this bill, i completely agree with.The rest needs a complete overhaul.Hope to see all the REAL,elk hunters at the hearing Tuesday.

If it was something they were spraying we would see it in other areas.

And if they had some secret X formula that wasn't approved by the government they would have stopped using it by now.

The common herbicides are safe and are used heavily with livestock.

This is probably a bacteria which means the herd should be culled.

[HntnFsh]

This is not hoof rot,its a lack of habitat putting these animals into poor body condition.The timber company's are killing all of the spring, and fall habitat by spraying the toxins on the clear cuts.The first sentance of this bill, i completely agree with.The rest needs a complete overhaul.Hope to see all the REAL,elk hunters at the hearing Tuesday.

If it was something they were spraying we would see it in other areas.

And if they had some secret X formula that wasn't approved by the government they would have stopped using it by now.

The common herbicides are safe and are used heavily with livestock.

This is probably a bacteria which means the herd should be culled.

I wouldn't necessarily say that its directly a result of consuming the herbicides. But more likely a direct result of the herbicides killing the exact browse they need, that holds the minerals that keep their immune systems healthy and be able to fight off diseases.

[chester]

This is not hoof rot,its a lack of habitat putting these animals into poor body condition.The timber company's are killing all of the spring, and fall habitat by spraying the toxins on the clear cuts.The first sentance of this bill, i completely agree with.The rest needs a complete overhaul.Hope to see all the REAL,elk hunters at the hearing Tuesday.

If it was something they were spraying we would see it in other areas.

And if they had some secret X formula that wasn't approved by the government they would have stopped using it by now.

The common herbicides are safe and are used heavily with livestock.

This is probably a bacteria which means the herd should be culled.

I wouldn't necessarily say that its directly a result of consuming the herbicides. But more likely a direct result of the herbicides killing the exact browse they need, that holds the minerals that keep their immune systems healthy and be able to fight off diseases.

Or a dairy farmer got a bad batch of feed from somewhere that carried leptospirosis, fed to his cows and spread the manure over a green field where the elk fed . Treated the cattle and never thought about it again.


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[Mudman]

Recent posts-You need to do some more research, lot you don't know yet and should learn some more.  I can tell ya but its better if you read yourselves.  There is a LOT more to this.

[Humptulips]

This is not hoof rot,its a lack of habitat putting these animals into poor body condition.The timber company's are killing all of the spring, and fall habitat by spraying the toxins on the clear cuts.The first sentance of this bill, i completely agree with.The rest needs a complete overhaul.Hope to see all the REAL,elk hunters at the hearing Tuesday.

If it was something they were spraying we would see it in other areas.

And if they had some secret X formula that wasn't approved by the government they would have stopped using it by now.

The common herbicides are safe and are used heavily with livestock.

This is probably a bacteria which means the herd should be culled.

I don't imagine there are many farmers/ranchers spraying their livestocks forage with herbicide and then turning them into the field to graze that night.
Weyerhaeuser was the first timber company I know of to go to wholesale spraying. There are others now but SW WA seemed to me to get the first heavy doses.
Correct me if I am wrong.

[pianoman9701]

This bill was killed in committee.

"If it was something they were spraying we would see it in other areas. And if they had some secret X formula that wasn't approved by the government they would have stopped using it by now. The common herbicides are safe and are used heavily with livestock. This is probably a bacteria which means the herd should be culled."


On Saturday, I spoke with the bio who's leading the Hoof disease discussion in the WDFW, Brooke George. There may be many reasons we don't see hoof disease in other areas of the state where some factors are in common, like the spraying of herbicides. Some of the factors are moisture levels, elevation, sunlight, and temperature. It hasn't widely spread past the Cascades for one or a combination of these factors, or possibly other factors they haven't considered yet. They do have one confirmed case in northeast WA now and OR has a case they're investigating in the Blues in the northeast part of that state. It is a bacteria. The question remains which bacteria is really the culprit. WDFW is sticking with treponema. Others believe leptospira.

[Tbar]

Pianoman,
This bill was not killed in committee.  There is a substitute Bill with a narrow scope. If the bill passes Brooke will not be leading, WSU will. 

[pianoman9701]

That's unfortunate.

[fireweed]

saw one of those "if you have a disease X and ever used product Y call this lawyer" commercials recently and it was about our favorite safe weed killer.  If the people start suing, you can be the chemical will be investigated.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/roundup-weed-killer-lawsuit-monsanto-glyphosate-cancer-claims/

[headshot5]

New section 3 in substitute bill.  It actually looks like it is going to be beneficial.  WSU is going to lead the research and monitoring and are supposed to provide regular updates.

NEW SECTION. Sec. 3. A new section is added to chapter 77.12 RCW to read as follows:
Subject to the availability of amounts appropriated for this specific purpose, the legislature designates Washington State University college of veterinary medicine as the state lead in developing a program to monitor and assess causes of and potential solutions for elk hoof disease. The college must establish an elk monitoring system in southwest Washington in order to carry out this mission. In conducting this work, the college must work collaboratively with entities including the department, the state veterinarian, and any tribes with interest in participating. The college must provide regular updates, at minimum on an annual basis, to the appropriate committees of the legislature and the commission on its findings, program needs, and any recommendations.