Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[trophyhunt]

No different than archery.   1st we had the long bow.  Then the recurve.  Then the compound.  Went from 50% let off to 80% let off.  Mechanical releases.   sights.  lighted nocks.  carbon arrows.  Went from 30 yard shooting to 80 yard shooting.   Game cameras, thermal imaging.  Certainly not like grand dad did.

those are some compelling points to technology creep for archery, I'd have to include range finders.  For the record, I'm not asking for thoughts on magnifying scopes for muzzy.  Only non magnifying, which to me seems like just a different type of sight, how is non magnifying cross hairs that much of an advantage? I don't think it will accelerate the action to legalize regular scopes for muzzy, I bet a poll on regular scopes for muzzy would be farther apart with the ya's and na's.

[Karl Blanchard]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

50's are usually a 28 twist.

[Oh Mah]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

don't over think it.  Large target.  Dead hold on the top.  Shoot a group and measure the drop.

It's not a precision rifle that I'm gonna chronograph and then true my ballistics on.  Go to the range and shoot.  No different than sighting it in at 100 yards.  Did you honestly think I just shot at 100 and then went out and blasted at stuff? 

Hunting is what I do.  It's all I do.  All off season is range time, scouting, research, gear upgrades.  I hunt 4-6 states a year.  Killing animals is what I do.

No actually you don't want to know what i think about your yarn

[Jonathan_S]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

don't over think it.  Large target.  Dead hold on the top.  Shoot a group and measure the drop.

It's not a precision rifle that I'm gonna chronograph and then true my ballistics on.  Go to the range and shoot.  No different than sighting it in at 100 yards.  Did you honestly think I just shot at 100 and then went out and blasted at stuff? 

Hunting is what I do.  It's all I do.  All off season is range time, scouting, research, gear upgrades.  I hunt 4-6 states a year.  Killing animals is what I do.

No actually you don't want to know what i think about your yarn

The only yarn is between your ears.

[Jonathan_S]

Anyway, as expected and the poll shows that a majority of hunters are happy with this current rule. I'm looking forward to hunting with my muzzleloader this fall

[Oh Mah]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

don't over think it.  Large target.  Dead hold on the top.  Shoot a group and measure the drop.

It's not a precision rifle that I'm gonna chronograph and then true my ballistics on.  Go to the range and shoot.  No different than sighting it in at 100 yards.  Did you honestly think I just shot at 100 and then went out and blasted at stuff? 

Hunting is what I do.  It's all I do.  All off season is range time, scouting, research, gear upgrades.  I hunt 4-6 states a year.  Killing animals is what I do.

No actually you don't want to know what i think about your yarn

The only yarn is between your ears.

That's a good one.Is that all you got?Your short on facts.But your welcome to get on anyone's wagon since you don't have your own

[Karl Blanchard]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

I was hunting with a buddy a few years back.  We rattled in a nice 3pt mule deer.  It was nasty weather and he had a hang fire, because it's a primitive weapon and that can happen.  The hit was poor and the deer had a busted leg.  By the time we got up and over the ridge he was already across the next canyon.  With a hit animal, the goal is to put them down.  Cody got prone on his pack, gave the buck a good lead and touched one off.  Hit that buck between the shoulder blades, through the spine, vitals, out the bottom of the brisket, and lodged in the hide at the front of the chest.  That shot was 380 yards.  300 grain slug and 100gr of fff.  They will absolutely kill at farther ranges.

[Karl Blanchard]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

don't over think it.  Large target.  Dead hold on the top.  Shoot a group and measure the drop.

It's not a precision rifle that I'm gonna chronograph and then true my ballistics on.  Go to the range and shoot.  No different than sighting it in at 100 yards.  Did you honestly think I just shot at 100 and then went out and blasted at stuff? 

Hunting is what I do.  It's all I do.  All off season is range time, scouting, research, gear upgrades.  I hunt 4-6 states a year.  Killing animals is what I do.

No actually you don't want to know what i think about your yarn

what does that even mean 

[Oh Mah]

To both of your posts BLRman. i mean it doesn't add up.on your second post it is not a traditional muzzy that your friend did that with.it was a in line,are you gonna say it wasn't?

[BULLBLASTER]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

don't over think it.  Large target.  Dead hold on the top.  Shoot a group and measure the drop.

It's not a precision rifle that I'm gonna chronograph and then true my ballistics on.  Go to the range and shoot.  No different than sighting it in at 100 yards.  Did you honestly think I just shot at 100 and then went out and blasted at stuff? 

Hunting is what I do.  It's all I do.  All off season is range time, scouting, research, gear upgrades.  I hunt 4-6 states a year.  Killing animals is what I do.

No actually you don't want to know what i think about your yarn

id like to see what you think of Karl's yarn....
tell us!

[BULLBLASTER]

To both of your posts BLRman. i mean it doesn't add up.on your second post it is not a traditional muzzy that your friend did that with.it was a in line,are you gonna say it wasn't?

What's wrong with inlines? Karl has said nothing against inlines at all. Yet you keep going after him on stupid crap. All your out to do is pick a fight...

[trophyhunt]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

I was hunting with a buddy a few years back.  We rattled in a nice 3pt mule deer.  It was nasty weather and he had a hang fire, because it's a primitive weapon and that can happen.  The hit was poor and the deer had a busted leg.  By the time we got up and over the ridge he was already across the next canyon.  With a hit animal, the goal is to put them down.  Cody got prone on his pack, gave the buck a good lead and touched one off.  Hit that buck between the shoulder blades, through the spine, vitals, out the bottom of the brisket, and lodged in the hide at the front of the chest.  That shot was 380 yards.  300 grain slug and 100gr of fff.  They will absolutely kill at farther ranges.

That far and on the run, with a 300 grain muzzy bullet??  That is probably the best shot I've ever heard of, amazing!  I'm not being a wise ass Karl, seriously, that's an incredible feat.

[Oh Mah]

bull.this fight was over inlines only a couple years ago.inline were fought by people that did not think they were primitive enough all goes together in this thread,i will keep arguing for hunters that want to change the sport for the better.i dont want the fight i want all hunters to work together.the hunters that want their way and only their way for no good reason is a problem

[BULLBLASTER]

bull.this fight was over inlines only a couple years ago.inline were fought by people that did not think they were primitive enough all goes together in this thread,i will keep arguing for hunters that want to change the sport for the better.i dont want the fight i want all hunters to work together.the hunters that want their way and only their way for no good reason is a problem

Seems to me this thread is about nonmagnified scopes and has nothing to do with inlines... maybe you should re read the title

Btw your last sentence perfectly describes you

[Karl Blanchard]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?

I was hunting with a buddy a few years back.  We rattled in a nice 3pt mule deer.  It was nasty weather and he had a hang fire, because it's a primitive weapon and that can happen.  The hit was poor and the deer had a busted leg.  By the time we got up and over the ridge he was already across the next canyon.  With a hit animal, the goal is to put them down.  Cody got prone on his pack, gave the buck a good lead and touched one off.  Hit that buck between the shoulder blades, through the spine, vitals, out the bottom of the brisket, and lodged in the hide at the front of the chest.  That shot was 380 yards.  300 grain slug and 100gr of fff.  They will absolutely kill at farther ranges.

That far and on the run, with a 300 grain muzzy bullet??  That is probably the best shot I've ever heard of, amazing!  I'm not being a wise ass Karl, seriously, that's an incredible feat.

Not on the run jerry.  I gave him a coyote howl as he was climbing the wall on the other side of the canyon.  Buck stopped and Cody was able to get the shot off.  Cody and I have shot ton of smoke pole.  We used to shoot at the rifle gongs at 500 yards.  It was def an estimated guess.  That buck was wounded bad and in that situation the goal is to anchor the animal and end the suffering.