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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2018, 07:11:05 PM »
Still crap if you ask me. NPS will hopefully get their budget pulled for this ridiculously expensive boondoggle.

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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2018, 08:50:34 PM »

Release sites are between I90 and HWY20. No goats will be dropped in the NCNP. Release sites are only in areas with adiquate habitat, a history of strong goat populations, and low current goat numbers.

After two years it is assumed that goat numbers in the park will show a hit and that viable populations will not be present for trap and transport so the next phase is... well Iíll let you go to the meeting and find out.

Hope they have identified why areas with a history of strong goat populations now have low current numbers" If that isn't addressed, plopping a new population there will not necessarily fix the problem and most or all of the goats may be gone in a short time.  This may just end up being the most expensive way to kill them.

Also, just because they assume after two years that the park population won't be viable, doesn't mean it won't be viable. If they don't get every goat, this problem can come back in the future.
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2018, 05:24:41 AM »
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2018, 10:49:51 AM »
Still crap if you ask me. NPS will hopefully get their budget pulled for this ridiculously expensive boondoggle.

I hope that this capture is more successful than planned.

1) These goats were brought to the peninsula by hunters and conservationists, if the parks department doesn't want them then we should want to put them into areas that will help existing goat populations.

2) The vast majority of goats on the peninsula are in the park and outside of any legal hunting boundary's so the only way to currently control the population, if the park decided to keep them, is lethal removal by government sharp shooters. This costs the tax payers more over time than the permanent removal of goats.

3) The parks department, USFS, WDFW have identified rock formations that create vegetation and minerals needed for goats to thrive, these areas correlate with historic goat harvests and these areas will be augmented by the Olympic goats. Transferring these goats will also create a larger genetic pool of goats in the North Cascades.


It is true that the end goal of nonviable populations may be difficult to do but if that is what the parks department is going to do then lets move as many goats as we can in the mean time.
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2018, 09:50:13 PM »
Still crap if you ask me. NPS will hopefully get their budget pulled for this ridiculously expensive boondoggle.

I hope that this capture is more successful than planned.

1) These goats were brought to the peninsula by hunters and conservationists, if the parks department doesn't want them then we should want to put them into areas that will help existing goat populations.

2) The vast majority of goats on the peninsula are in the park and outside of any legal hunting boundary's so the only way to currently control the population, if the park decided to keep them, is lethal removal by government sharp shooters. This costs the tax payers more over time than the permanent removal of goats.

3) The parks department, USFS, WDFW have identified rock formations that create vegetation and minerals needed for goats to thrive, these areas correlate with historic goat harvests and these areas will be augmented by the Olympic goats. Transferring these goats will also create a larger genetic pool of goats in the North Cascades.


It is true that the end goal of nonviable populations may be difficult to do but if that is what the parks department is going to do then lets move as many goats as we can in the mean time.

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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2018, 08:49:17 AM »
Last night the meeting was in North Bend, small turn out, yet a sincere group with interest about project. Still appears to be no plans for predator control, 2/3 of the goats will have GPS collars and trackable or traceable. No doubt most of the goats from the park will have a destiny of death. Why there isn't more mortality in the park still makes no since. I'm sure there has to be come cougars there also. Several of those attending last night were more concerned about their own personal safety around goats, and if wolves were going to be of concern on mortality.

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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2018, 02:33:07 PM »
Several of those attending last night were more concerned about their own personal safety around goats, and if wolves were going to be of concern on mortality.

This is the most lame excuse for moving the goats that there is. First off, what, has there been more than one incident with a goat and a human in the park? And second off, if goats are really dangerous, moving them will not change that fact.  You are more likely to be injured driving to the park than you are likely to be hurt by a goat once you get there.  Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2018, 05:31:39 AM »
For me it will be sad to see this hunt opportunity go. I've personally been involved in 3 of the conflict reduction hunts in the past 4 years as a "volunteer" guide for forum members. It's one of the most physically demanding hunts in the state into some remarkable places. When I was scouting and talking to bios 5 years ago they said this hunt would only be available for a few years.
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2018, 08:36:31 AM »
But not in a National Park you haven't.

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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2018, 10:04:45 AM »
But not in a National Park you haven't.

No shots were fired from a NP  :tup:
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2018, 11:35:16 AM »
But not in a National Park you haven't.
No shots were fired from a NP  :tup:

He "volunteer guided" my boy, and I am still grateful. 

And..... no shots were fired from the NP. :-)
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2018, 09:53:55 PM »
But not in a National Park you haven't.
No shots were fired from a NP  :tup:

He "volunteer guided" my boy, and I am still grateful. 

And..... no shots were fired from the NP. :-)

And not one photo for HW?

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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2018, 07:06:02 AM »
Did anyone make it to yesterday's meeting in Sultan? 

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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2018, 06:33:57 AM »
So the safety is 1 concern     Really and yet you want the wolf to be trans planted there
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Re: Olympics Mountain Goat relocation public meeting
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2018, 01:28:24 PM »
Monday March 26th 7-9pm, Sultan, WA City Hall office.

There are a ton of varying opinions on this topic. I think I'd like to see them moved to the North Cascades, but am open to hearing others' opinions.



Where was the public notification of these meetings published at? Did WDFW send out a public notification via email? Likewise do you know where the NPS published notifications for these meetings?
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