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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2018, 12:14:17 PM »
This is why gun owners/pro 2A advocates are so reluctant to give any ground at all; because the gun grabbers call their concerns irrelevant. They don't want to listen to the concerns and they don't care about the concerns. And with this attitude, they make it clear that there's only one end game - the end of legal guns in the US. Good luck with that kind of rhetoric trying to find middle ground.

Part of the reason why 2A advocates have little incentive to give in, is because the laws that seem to pass around the country dont work.  The states are incubators for ideas.  I always ask this question " Can you show me where XYZ law has been enacted  and show me proof that it worked?" I want less violence and im willing to explore other ideas. When you are married to the "got to do/try something" disease that is divorced from any real statistcs Why would I compromise? BTW I think there have been several compromises by legal gun owners that have earned us jack squat.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #106 on: November 16, 2018, 12:19:40 PM »
I agree that they've not only not yielded squat, but that there's always another new law waiting in the wings. And when a pro 2A says he has concerns, they tell his concerns are irrelevant. As I said a few posts ago, there's an end game for these people and it's the end of the 2nd Amendment. Nothing less will satisfy them and they've said so openly.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2018, 08:43:46 PM »
I agree that they've not only not yielded squat, but that there's always another new law waiting in the wings. And when a pro 2A says he has concerns, they tell his concerns are irrelevant. As I said a few posts ago, there's an end game for these people and it's the end of the 2nd Amendment. Nothing less will satisfy them and they've said so openly.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2019, 08:03:50 AM »

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2019, 08:23:08 AM »
Prosecutors push for legally-owned firearms to be confiscated from parents if minors are red flagged


https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/11/25/prosecutors-push-for-legally-owned-firearms-to-be-confiscated-from-parents-if-minors-are-red-flagged-696649?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=BPR%20Email&utm_campaign=DMS

"It’s not the first time that the ACLU has taken stances antithetical to actual civil liberties. Earlier this month the group officially came out against due process, shocking many."

I always though it was innocent until proven guilty in a court of law not the court of social media.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2019, 01:48:50 PM »
https://www.weaselzippers.us/431216-remarks-against-antifa-prompt-fbi-seizure-of-former-marines-weapons-under-oregons-red-flag-law/

WA has a red flag law.  AKA Extreme Risk Protection Orders.

At the risk of sounding in favor of red flag laws, which I'm not, this guy's receiving disability for being bi-polar, lives with his parents because he can't hold a job due to his illness, and admitted that what he said was off the charts. I live with bi-polar family members. Depending on their match to the right medication for their specific disease, unpredictability and volatility can contraindicate bi-polar people from safely using or owning firearms.

The use of our first amendment rights to threaten to "slaughter" a group of people will lead to losing our 2nd amendment rights, as it should, IMHO.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2019, 02:25:40 PM »
https://www.weaselzippers.us/431216-remarks-against-antifa-prompt-fbi-seizure-of-former-marines-weapons-under-oregons-red-flag-law/

WA has a red flag law.  AKA Extreme Risk Protection Orders.

At the risk of sounding in favor of red flag laws, which I'm not, this guy's receiving disability for being bi-polar, lives with his parents because he can't hold a job due to his illness, and admitted that what he said was off the charts. I live with bi-polar family members. Depending on their match to the right medication for their specific disease, unpredictability and volatility can contraindicate bi-polar people from safely using or owning firearms.

The use of our first amendment rights to threaten to "slaughter" a group of people will lead to losing our 2nd amendment rights, as it should, IMHO.

I too am familiar with bi-polar in my family. And I agree that there are people who should not own firearms becauseof mental health issues. Red flag laws jump the shark and allow lay persons to diagnose and restrict people because they don't like their behavior. It is a slippery slope as you inferred by stating you don't support them either.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2019, 04:28:45 PM »
Former Marine said he’d ‘slaughter’ antifa. The FBI, using Oregon’s new red flag law, took his guns away

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-antifa-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-flag-law-took-his-guns-away.html
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2019, 04:43:08 PM »
https://www.weaselzippers.us/431216-remarks-against-antifa-prompt-fbi-seizure-of-former-marines-weapons-under-oregons-red-flag-law/

WA has a red flag law.  AKA Extreme Risk Protection Orders.

At the risk of sounding in favor of red flag laws, which I'm not, this guy's receiving disability for being bi-polar, lives with his parents because he can't hold a job due to his illness, and admitted that what he said was off the charts. I live with bi-polar family members. Depending on their match to the right medication for their specific disease, unpredictability and volatility can contraindicate bi-polar people from safely using or owning firearms.

The use of our first amendment rights to threaten to "slaughter" a group of people will lead to losing our 2nd amendment rights, as it should, IMHO.
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I too am familiar with bi-polar in my family. And I agree that there are people who should not own firearms becauseof mental health issues. Red flag laws jump the shark and allow lay persons to diagnose and restrict people because they don't like their behavior. It is a slippery slope as you inferred by stating you don't support then either.

I agree, as I said in my first sentence.
"Restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens based on the actions of criminals and madmen will have no positive effect on the future acts of criminals and madmen. It will only serve to reduce individual rights and the very security of our republic." - Pianoman

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2019, 05:42:33 PM »
When will people learn, never tip your hand to your enemies. Speaking about your plans never works in your favor.

Especially if you are suffering from bipolar living with your parents and you have a history of mental illness.

As for Red flag laws, well they kind of forget one very important right, and do process.
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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2019, 05:49:14 AM »
It sounded more like he said he'd slaughter, in a hypothetical matchup, rather than, he was planning to slaughter, next Tuesday.  One is first Amendment protected, and should be due process protected. The other isn't and shouldn't be.

Once your words are mangled by those who have an interest in using them against you, it appears it does not matter.  And would we expect more or fewer people to seek mental health treatment, if it checks a box that they would not enjoy the full rights of American citizenship?


And to be sure, there will be some successes with red flag laws.  There will be failures used to justify more laws and confiscation.  And there will be many who are deprived of their 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment rights, without probable cause.

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Re: "Red Flag" Laws in Practice
« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2019, 01:32:13 PM »
After 1-2 mass shootings per week all year avg., if someone doesn't watch their words, they're going to come under scrutiny. Again, I don't believe in eliminating due process. A great many do and are apparently going to get their way.
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