Pelosi Claims Future President Could Use “National Emergency” to Target Guns

[bearpaw]

 

Pelosi Claims Future President Could Use “National Emergency” to Target Guns
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190222/pelosi-claims-future-president-could-use-national-emergency-to-target-guns

[KFhunter]

Ya, not so much Nancy.

[Skyvalhunter]

now threes a POS

[Odell]

She's not wrong that this trend has consequences. Presidents have been expanding the power of the executive office for too long. What can be done this way can be undone by the next president. I have no problem with a wall, but declaring a national emergency because you can't get congress to do what you want is a terrible way to govern.

[CAMPMEAT]

It's not an emergency, it's our passion to get government out of our lives.

[bradslam]

 

She's not wrong that this trend has consequences. Presidents have been expanding the power of the executive office for too long. What can be done this way can be undone by the next president. I have no problem with a wall, but declaring a national emergency because you can't get congress to do what you want is a terrible way to govern.

[WAcoyotehunter]

She's not wrong that this trend has consequences. Presidents have been expanding the power of the executive office for too long. What can be done this way can be undone by the next president. I have no problem with a wall, but declaring a national emergency because you can't get congress to do what you want is a terrible way to govern.

Exactly- Obama abused the power through Executive Order and started a trend that needs to stop.  The border needs some attention, but clearly it is not a national emergency.

[Special T]

This is obviously Faux outrage by Pelosi and hard to take her seriously. Perhaps Congress should quit being afraid to assert the constitutional powers vested in themselves?  Unfortunately most are cowards that want to push unpopular agendas in massive Omnibus Bill's so they dont have to stand and be counted.

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[Fl0und3rz]

Pelosi Claims Future President Could Use “National Emergency” to Target Guns
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190222/pelosi-claims-future-president-could-use-national-emergency-to-target-guns

So much for the were not trying to take your guns lies.

[RJW]

If you want to find out what the presidential powers are you don't look at the constitution.  You look at CFR title 3. This the Code of Federal Regulations for the president. I know about these because CFR title 21 applies to my job.

[JimmyHoffa]

She's not wrong that this trend has consequences. Presidents have been expanding the power of the executive office for too long. What can be done this way can be undone by the next president. I have no problem with a wall, but declaring a national emergency because you can't get congress to do what you want is a terrible way to govern.

Exactly- Obama abused the power through Executive Order and started a trend that needs to stop.  The border needs some attention, but clearly it is not a national emergency.

I've heard/read several pieces with claims from lots of medical personnel and law enforcement about fentanyl and opiods being a national medical emergency.  Those things are primarily coming from Mexico.  Supposedly even the cartels are concerned and are sending lots of cheaper meth now, in part because so many of their customers are dying from the fentanyl. 

[Fl0und3rz]

Updated with links and excerpts of the CRS report.  At least read the first several paragraphs.

She's not wrong that this trend has consequences. Presidents have been expanding the power of the executive office for too long. What can be done this way can be undone by the next president. I have no problem with a wall, but declaring a national emergency because you can't get congress to do what you want is a terrible way to govern.

Exactly- Obama abused the power through Executive Order and started a trend that needs to stop.  The border needs some attention, but clearly it is not a national emergency.

Don't fall for this manipulation.  The CRS report laid out existing statutory authority, both to declare a national emergency, and to fund wall construction from existing sources, where anti-cartel measures are one such program.

Read it. 

I have not seen particular reports of how Trump is in violation of congressionally granted authority, just this slippery slope appeal to emotions.  If there is such a report, please point it out.


Here is that CRS report, which has been updated since the President invoked the National Emergencies Act.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/LSB10242.pdf


In it, it does indeed identify that there may be several legal challenges that a court could rule upon, given that it is relatively unprecedented for Congress to push back on such declared national emergencies. 

It also describes the current process that the House is undertaking to terminate the declared National Emergency. "Congress enacts a joint resolution terminating the emergency (which would likely require the votes of two - thirds majorities in each house of Congress to override a presidential veto)."


So rather than succumb to fear mongering that a Dem president could rescind the 2A, something that even Lincoln had not undertaken in the Civil War (as far as I could research), the proponents of regular order and limited Executive power should be promoting the House's efforts to terminate the National Emergency as provided in the National Emergency Act.


At least stop pretending that this is all VERY unprecedented and a dangerous usurpation of congressional authority.

Although the original NEA authorized termination through a concurrent resolution, which does not require the President’s signature, Congress amended the provision in 1985 to require a joint resolution as a response to a 1983 Supreme Court decision holding that legislative vetoes were unconstitutional. While the NEA directs each house of Congress to meet every six months to consider whether to terminate a national emergency by joint resolution, Congress has never met to consider such a vote.

Although the NEA was intended to end perpetual states of emergency, it authorizes the President to renew an emergency declaration to avoid the Act’s automatic termination provision. Today, 31 national emergencies declared pursuant to the NEA are in effect, with Presidents having renewed certain emergencies for decades.

[Fl0und3rz]

I've heard/read several pieces with claims from lots of medical personnel and law enforcement about fentanyl and opiods being a national medical emergency.  Those things are primarily coming from Mexico.  Supposedly even the cartels are concerned and are sending lots of cheaper meth now, in part because so many of their customers are dying from the fentanyl. 

There was some recent report of opiods overtaking automobiles as a leading cause of deaths of Americans.  And surprise, "gun violence," or however the gun control advocates want to misleadingly characterize deaths by firearm (include suicide, etc.), is a relatively minor blip compared to the two, last I checked.

[Fl0und3rz]

"Not an emergency."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/previously-deported-illegal-alien-charged-in-florida-hit-and-run-that-killed-unborn-child/

[pianoman9701]

She's not wrong that this trend has consequences. Presidents have been expanding the power of the executive office for too long. What can be done this way can be undone by the next president. I have no problem with a wall, but declaring a national emergency because you can't get congress to do what you want is a terrible way to govern.

  I think the emergency declaration was a big mistake and opens up the field on this issue to whatever a President wants to pass but is blocked by the legislature. This was not the intent in giving the President the power to use emergency powers.