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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2020, 03:13:18 PM »
People wonít even send in a tooth. They think guys are going to pack a wet hide out of the backcountry just to comply with the law? Sadly most wont. If they want full compliance they need to clarify the exact pieces of the hide they need to seal not the entire thing.

We should expect a drastic decline in reported harvests this spring. But I suppose thatís what they want..

Do you really think there are that many bear hunters that dont want to keep the hides?  I bet most do want them.  And just like cougar, a taxidermist wont take an unsealed spring bear hide now.  If you want to keep the hide, have it tanned, rugged or whatever, you will have to have it checked.  I really dont think the percentage of guys hunting spring bear that dont want to keep the hides is very significant.

The tooth thing is a bad comparison because a guy could always keep his hide, meat, skull and not send in the tooth, there was nothing to stop him from doing that.  But now if you want to take your hide in to a taxidermist, youll have to have it sealed or the taxi wont take it.

Absolutely and Iím one of them. Bear hunters tend to be guys who kill them on a regular basis and how many bear hides do you need? The guy who randomly kills a bear on a deer hunt once in his life is usually not the guy going on spring bear hunts every year. I have no interest in a bear hide at this point. Also I got my cougar rug last year. Further cougars would likely be for the meat and predator control same with bears. One bear rug one cougar rug one bear hide and one bear shoulder mount Is good for our house. My bear hide from last fall went into the garbage.

This rule needs clarified to specific portions of the hide if thereís any realistic compliance.
 

Threw hide in the garbage? If itís a nice bear you could sell Moscow hide and fur for 100 to 200 dollars. At least your not wasting it. I have a bear rug a shoulder mount and at least 20 hides hanging on log type coat hangers I posted a pic on man cave thread. I have kept all my bear hides they donít take much room hanging how I have them and looks pretty cool. I donít care what anyone does with a hide but couple on here throwing in garbage is a little silly at least sell it. Whining about packing out a bear hide is a little woosie  :chuckle Idaho said leave the meat and have to take the hide this was mostly for the hounds men since you can end up in some pretty crappy places for a pack.

I have also never saved a elk or deer hide. Was that wasteful? I guess so.. oh well I like bear meat and I like bear skulls. Anyone can say whatever they want like why wouldnít you pack an extra 80# of garbage 6 miles? Really?

In regards to another post my last cougar was skinned and half frozen when I had it sealed. Bio didnít have any issues with that. They did want to know exactly where it was killed which I did not care to share with them.
   


I havenít saved any elk or deer either but I used to trade deer hides for gloves when I lived in Montana. I had already skinned the deer and had them at home so I took 20 minutes and got some nice gloves. You could get 5 or 6 deer then so I had a lot of gloves  :chuckle:You said you threw it in the garbage which makes me think you packed it out. If you did why wouldnít you sell it? The whining about packing out a bear hide is unreal itís not that big of a deal to me. I donít get it but then again I donít really  care what you all do with your bear hides. I agree with bango you knew what you were signing up for when you put in for the tag! Pack the damn thing out and be grateful you drew the tag. Idaho literally requires you to take the hide but you can leave the meat. I take it all and do hunt more for the meat than the hide these days. I did tan my sons first deer hide he got it at 8 and Iím glad I did for the memories so I guess I have saved 1 deer hide. We have to check all Bear hides but the taxidermist can do it here so itís no big deal.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2020, 05:08:19 AM »
I have not read all posts. I used to live in Walla Walla, WA but now live in Michigan.

I and some friends have done quite a bit of bear hunting, to the point that for the most part we no longer are interested in packing out hides.

This new rule that you all have to comply with is a pain for those like me who are not wanting the hide. It is a great deal of extra work and time for something that you will perhaps just toss in the trash. I have sold a hide to Moscow Hide and Fur for $150 in the past. It was a nice hide from a bigger than average bear though.

I would sure think that Fish and Game would allow you to just take a patch of hide that showed them what they needed to see instead of the entire hide.

Good luck to all who drew the tag and I hope they will have some sense and allow you to just take out a patch of hide.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2020, 05:12:35 AM »
Ya I don't have to worry about it.My spring season has been shutdown till further notice.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2020, 10:07:53 PM »
People wonít even send in a tooth. They think guys are going to pack a wet hide out of the backcountry just to comply with the law? Sadly most wont. If they want full compliance they need to clarify the exact pieces of the hide they need to seal not the entire thing.

We should expect a drastic decline in reported harvests this spring. But I suppose thatís what they want..

Do you really think there are that many bear hunters that dont want to keep the hides?  I bet most do want them.  And just like cougar, a taxidermist wont take an unsealed spring bear hide now.  If you want to keep the hide, have it tanned, rugged or whatever, you will have to have it checked.  I really dont think the percentage of guys hunting spring bear that dont want to keep the hides is very significant.

The tooth thing is a bad comparison because a guy could always keep his hide, meat, skull and not send in the tooth, there was nothing to stop him from doing that.  But now if you want to take your hide in to a taxidermist, youll have to have it sealed or the taxi wont take it.

Absolutely and Iím one of them. Bear hunters tend to be guys who kill them on a regular basis and how many bear hides do you need? The guy who randomly kills a bear on a deer hunt once in his life is usually not the guy going on spring bear hunts every year. I have no interest in a bear hide at this point. Also I got my cougar rug last year. Further cougars would likely be for the meat and predator control same with bears. One bear rug one cougar rug one bear hide and one bear shoulder mount Is good for our house. My bear hide from last fall went into the garbage.

This rule needs clarified to specific portions of the hide if thereís any realistic compliance.
I fully agree. I bet 50% of successful bear hunters donít want the hide. I donít want another one unless itís perfect and very unique. I just want the meat and skull. If I kill a bear in WA or ID, Iím packing out a 12Ēx12Ē section of hide with the proof of sex attached. They can seal that. That meets the legal requirement stated in the regs until they decide to update it to the complete hide.


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New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2020, 10:15:02 PM »



I do get what your trying to get done.
I'm just surprised they need any extra info with so little spring bear harvest.And sure hope were not going down that road of adding this to fall seasons.

I hope you do understand what im getting at, and that others do too.  Im not trying to be an ass.  Im trying to get better predator management for the sake of our herds.  This is a subject that is important to me, and i think changes to our bear hunting are a lot easier to get made than changes to lions, wolves, or getting legholds for coyotes.  Im going for the low hanging fruit first and foremost

What i want is to see as close to 100% reporting as possible on these spring bear hunts, and 100% compliance of hide sealing by successful hunters.  Really, if packing the hide out is too much of a burden, just dont put in for spring permits.

The only way we stand a chance at all of getting increased spring bear opportunities, whether that ends up being otc, or just additional units and increased permit numbers, is to prove that spring hunting doesnt result in a bunch of orphaned cubs.  This is why everybody needs to report, whether they even hunt on the permit or not, and all successful hunters need to just suck it up and pack the hide out to be sealed.  Its for our own good, to give us a chance at increased spring bear opportunity, and as a result help our deer, elk and moose recruitment.  If a guy cant just man up and go along with this, wait to hunt bear until august, its not that much to ask.
Try backpack hunting 5-15 miles back into the wilderness for bears in some steep ass country and tell me how it goes for you. Are you trying to reduce the number of bears taken in a few remote units, because your logic would do that. Do you have any idea what a mature bear hide weighs? Have you even killed a bear and broken one down?

Yes I will take the hide and comply, but I should not be required to take one. Like I said above, a 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached will suffice in WA and ID, plus save me a ton of weight for something I likely donít want. I donít need another rug.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2020, 10:50:27 PM »
No need to worry this season is a wash out anyway.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2020, 11:41:44 PM »
Man I wish I had a hide to seal

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« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2020, 09:00:40 AM »
No need to worry this season is a wash out anyway.
Not in Idaho. At least so far for those with tags already. And they have the same hide regulation.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2020, 09:02:03 AM »
No need to worry this season is a wash out anyway.
Not in Idaho. At least so far for those with tags already. And they have the same hide regulation.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2020, 09:12:22 AM »
No need to worry this season is a wash out anyway.
Not in Idaho. At least so far for those with tags already. And they have the same hide regulation.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2020, 02:06:29 PM »
People wonít even send in a tooth. They think guys are going to pack a wet hide out of the backcountry just to comply with the law? Sadly most wont. If they want full compliance they need to clarify the exact pieces of the hide they need to seal not the entire thing.

We should expect a drastic decline in reported harvests this spring. But I suppose thatís what they want..

Do you really think there are that many bear hunters that dont want to keep the hides?  I bet most do want them.  And just like cougar, a taxidermist wont take an unsealed spring bear hide now.  If you want to keep the hide, have it tanned, rugged or whatever, you will have to have it checked.  I really dont think the percentage of guys hunting spring bear that dont want to keep the hides is very significant.

The tooth thing is a bad comparison because a guy could always keep his hide, meat, skull and not send in the tooth, there was nothing to stop him from doing that.  But now if you want to take your hide in to a taxidermist, youll have to have it sealed or the taxi wont take it.

Absolutely and Iím one of them. Bear hunters tend to be guys who kill them on a regular basis and how many bear hides do you need? The guy who randomly kills a bear on a deer hunt once in his life is usually not the guy going on spring bear hunts every year. I have no interest in a bear hide at this point. Also I got my cougar rug last year. Further cougars would likely be for the meat and predator control same with bears. One bear rug one cougar rug one bear hide and one bear shoulder mount Is good for our house. My bear hide from last fall went into the garbage.

This rule needs clarified to specific portions of the hide if thereís any realistic compliance.
I fully agree. I bet 50% of successful bear hunters donít want the hide. I donít want another one unless itís perfect and very unique. I just want the meat and skull. If I kill a bear in WA or ID, Iím packing out a 12Ēx12Ē section of hide with the proof of sex attached. They can seal that. That meets the legal requirement stated in the regs until they decide to update it to the complete hide.


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I don't think that will work in Idaho . My understanding is salvage and check entire hide with sex attached and skull. That's the way I have always done it. Just fyi

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2020, 02:18:52 PM »
People wonít even send in a tooth. They think guys are going to pack a wet hide out of the backcountry just to comply with the law? Sadly most wont. If they want full compliance they need to clarify the exact pieces of the hide they need to seal not the entire thing.

We should expect a drastic decline in reported harvests this spring. But I suppose thatís what they want..

Do you really think there are that many bear hunters that dont want to keep the hides?  I bet most do want them.  And just like cougar, a taxidermist wont take an unsealed spring bear hide now.  If you want to keep the hide, have it tanned, rugged or whatever, you will have to have it checked.  I really dont think the percentage of guys hunting spring bear that dont want to keep the hides is very significant.

The tooth thing is a bad comparison because a guy could always keep his hide, meat, skull and not send in the tooth, there was nothing to stop him from doing that.  But now if you want to take your hide in to a taxidermist, youll have to have it sealed or the taxi wont take it.

Absolutely and Iím one of them. Bear hunters tend to be guys who kill them on a regular basis and how many bear hides do you need? The guy who randomly kills a bear on a deer hunt once in his life is usually not the guy going on spring bear hunts every year. I have no interest in a bear hide at this point. Also I got my cougar rug last year. Further cougars would likely be for the meat and predator control same with bears. One bear rug one cougar rug one bear hide and one bear shoulder mount Is good for our house. My bear hide from last fall went into the garbage.

This rule needs clarified to specific portions of the hide if thereís any realistic compliance.
I fully agree. I bet 50% of successful bear hunters donít want the hide. I donít want another one unless itís perfect and very unique. I just want the meat and skull. If I kill a bear in WA or ID, Iím packing out a 12Ēx12Ē section of hide with the proof of sex attached. They can seal that. That meets the legal requirement stated in the regs until they decide to update it to the complete hide.


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I don't think that will work in Idaho . My understanding is salvage and check entire hide with sex attached and skull. That's the way I have always done it. Just fyi

I posted a screenshot of the regs. Nowhere does it say the entire hide is required. I have a vm in with Idaho F&G and I am awaiting a call back.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2020, 05:40:27 PM »
People wonít even send in a tooth. They think guys are going to pack a wet hide out of the backcountry just to comply with the law? Sadly most wont. If they want full compliance they need to clarify the exact pieces of the hide they need to seal not the entire thing.

We should expect a drastic decline in reported harvests this spring. But I suppose thatís what they want..

Do you really think there are that many bear hunters that dont want to keep the hides?  I bet most do want them.  And just like cougar, a taxidermist wont take an unsealed spring bear hide now.  If you want to keep the hide, have it tanned, rugged or whatever, you will have to have it checked.  I really dont think the percentage of guys hunting spring bear that dont want to keep the hides is very significant.

The tooth thing is a bad comparison because a guy could always keep his hide, meat, skull and not send in the tooth, there was nothing to stop him from doing that.  But now if you want to take your hide in to a taxidermist, youll have to have it sealed or the taxi wont take it.

Absolutely and Iím one of them. Bear hunters tend to be guys who kill them on a regular basis and how many bear hides do you need? The guy who randomly kills a bear on a deer hunt once in his life is usually not the guy going on spring bear hunts every year. I have no interest in a bear hide at this point. Also I got my cougar rug last year. Further cougars would likely be for the meat and predator control same with bears. One bear rug one cougar rug one bear hide and one bear shoulder mount Is good for our house. My bear hide from last fall went into the garbage.

This rule needs clarified to specific portions of the hide if thereís any realistic compliance.
I fully agree. I bet 50% of successful bear hunters donít want the hide. I donít want another one unless itís perfect and very unique. I just want the meat and skull. If I kill a bear in WA or ID, Iím packing out a 12Ēx12Ē section of hide with the proof of sex attached. They can seal that. That meets the legal requirement stated in the regs until they decide to update it to the complete hide.


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I don't think that will work in Idaho . My understanding is salvage and check entire hide with sex attached and skull. That's the way I have always done it. Just fyi

I posted a screenshot of the regs. Nowhere does it say the entire hide is required. I have a vm in with Idaho F&G and I am awaiting a call back.


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Ya I have read the regs a few times :chuckle:. Idaho changed the law to be able to leave the meat and salvage the hide a few years ago. Before that you had to take everything meat and hide. I think if someone shot a bear and came out with a small piece of hide (I know you are going to hunt for meat) they would consider that waste. I know the regulations do not state the entire hide but I feel like its inferred since they already let you leave the entire carcass in the woods. I hound hunt and you end up in some terrible holes sometimes and I was told they changed the rule to get more hound hunters to shoot bears in bad spots rather than leave them in the tree. I have no idea if that was the reason. Anyways, I know the greenies would have a fit if all a hunter was required to bring out was a small piece of hide and a skull. I think the intent is to salvage the whole hide and skull. I take everything on the bear every year so I haven't worried about it. I will be interested to see what you find out. post an update when they call you back  :tup:   

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2020, 05:44:23 PM »
It may not specifically say the entire hide is required, but it sure doesnt say a portion of the hide is acceptable.  It says the hide, not a part of the hide.  That pretty clearly implies the whole thing to me. 

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2020, 06:20:44 PM »
Harvest Check, Submitting Biological Samples and Bear Teeth: All successful bear hunters must validate (notch) their bear tag, notify the department within 72 hours of kill (excluding legal state holidays), provide the hunter's name, date and location of kill, and sex of animal. The raw pelt, evidence of sex, and the first premolar must be presented to an authorized department employee for sealing within 5 days of notification of kill. All permit hunters must comply with harvest reporting and submission of biological samples as described above. Failure to comply with the submission of biological samples is a misdemeanor pursuant to RCW 77.15.280.

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