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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #135 on: March 30, 2020, 01:13:43 PM »
And by "required," it seems that mere suggestion is enough to get people to comply.

I've also seen anecdotal reports of temperature screening and aggressive isolating and tracing in S. Korea, I believe. 

S. Korea and Japan seem to vary to some degree in their responses.  But at first glance, it looks like a combination of cultural differences, timing, governmental structure differences, testing/screening (S. Korea) differences, rapid treatment approvals versus bureaucratic sloth, demographics such as population density, may explain a lot of the differences with the U.S.
I saw something elsewhere about South Korea and Japan weathering this a little better because of diet.  They eat lots of seafood, particularly shellfish.  The fatty fish in their diets provide a lot of Vitamin D3 and the shellfish provided a different compound or mineral that supposedly might be a boost to their immune systems.

Bummer that I can't go clamming on the beach that I can walk to, or fishing in the ocean that surrounds my house....    :sry:

Susewind said: "just because you live on the beach doesn't make it fair to those who do not, and cannot fish (or clam) due to this order" 

And by that reasoning, just because I chose to be able to buy a boat doesn't mean anyone with a boat should be able to use it for fishing because many people can't afford boats. THIS IS THE MOST MORONIC REASONING BEHIND THE CLOSURE. There are other more valid reasons.

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #136 on: March 30, 2020, 01:50:27 PM »
"And by that reasoning, just because I chose to be able to buy a boat doesn't mean anyone with a boat should be able to use it for fishing because many people can't afford boats. THIS IS THE MOST MORONIC REASONING BEHIND THE CLOSURE. There are other more valid reasons.
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The WDFW mandates crap as if the entire population of Washington State fishes, hunts and goes clamming! Lucky if it's 10% max?!
Absolutely crazy reasoning! Smh  :bash:
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 04:53:20 PM by bassquatch »

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #137 on: March 31, 2020, 05:36:06 PM »
And by "required," it seems that mere suggestion is enough to get people to comply.

I've also seen anecdotal reports of temperature screening and aggressive isolating and tracing in S. Korea, I believe. 

S. Korea and Japan seem to vary to some degree in their responses.  But at first glance, it looks like a combination of cultural differences, timing, governmental structure differences, testing/screening (S. Korea) differences, rapid treatment approvals versus bureaucratic sloth, demographics such as population density, may explain a lot of the differences with the U.S.
I saw something elsewhere about South Korea and Japan weathering this a little better because of diet.  They eat lots of seafood, particularly shellfish.  The fatty fish in their diets provide a lot of Vitamin D3 and the shellfish provided a different compound or mineral that supposedly might be a boost to their immune systems.

Bummer that I can't go clamming on the beach that I can walk to, or fishing in the ocean that surrounds my house....    :sry:

Susewind said: "just because you live on the beach doesn't make it fair to those who do not, and cannot fish (or clam) due to this order" 

And by that reasoning, just because I chose to be able to buy a boat doesn't mean anyone with a boat should be able to use it for fishing because many people can't afford boats. THIS IS THE MOST MORONIC REASONING BEHIND THE CLOSURE. There are other more valid reasons.

I agree with you completely, if a person doesn't have to travel why should we not be able to recreate and gather food in a safer environment than a grocery store!  :twocents:
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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #138 on: March 31, 2020, 06:43:35 PM »
Unfortunately  Bearpaw....imo.....because the masses are stupid. Stay home but recreate.......cool now 100 show up to the trailhead. Stay home.....cool ( full disclosure I wanted to but haven't) so let's all go hit the lake, river, boat launch.  They shut it all....spring bear, turkey, trail heads, recreational areas......because the masses are stupid and selfish. Simple as that imo.

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #141 on: April 02, 2020, 09:02:39 AM »
It's a slippery slope when you start giving up rights because "the masses" are stupid. Guns? Free Speech? Are we ok with giving these up because "the masses" are stupid?

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #142 on: April 02, 2020, 09:11:23 AM »
Guess I shouldn't own a boat cause it's not fair to those that can't.
Guess I shouldn't drive a new truck cause it's not fair to those that can't.
Guess I shouldn't have bought my house cause there are people that are homeless.
Guess I shouldn't buy hunting and fishing tags, supplies and equipment because it's not fair to the people that can't.

Nice to know a socialist runs the department!

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #143 on: April 02, 2020, 09:56:43 AM »
And by "required," it seems that mere suggestion is enough to get people to comply.

I've also seen anecdotal reports of temperature screening and aggressive isolating and tracing in S. Korea, I believe. 

S. Korea and Japan seem to vary to some degree in their responses.  But at first glance, it looks like a combination of cultural differences, timing, governmental structure differences, testing/screening (S. Korea) differences, rapid treatment approvals versus bureaucratic sloth, demographics such as population density, may explain a lot of the differences with the U.S.
I saw something elsewhere about South Korea and Japan weathering this a little better because of diet.  They eat lots of seafood, particularly shellfish.  The fatty fish in their diets provide a lot of Vitamin D3 and the shellfish provided a different compound or mineral that supposedly might be a boost to their immune systems.

Bummer that I can't go clamming on the beach that I can walk to, or fishing in the ocean that surrounds my house....    :sry:

Susewind said: "just because you live on the beach doesn't make it fair to those who do not, and cannot fish (or clam) due to this order" 

And by that reasoning, just because I chose to be able to buy a boat doesn't mean anyone with a boat should be able to use it for fishing because many people can't afford boats. THIS IS THE MOST MORONIC REASONING BEHIND THE CLOSURE. There are other more valid reasons.

Guess I shouldn't own a boat cause it's not fair to those that can't.
Guess I shouldn't drive a new truck cause it's not fair to those that can't.
Guess I shouldn't have bought my house cause there are people that are homeless.
Guess I shouldn't buy hunting and fishing tags, supplies and equipment because it's not fair to the people that can't.

Nice to know a socialist runs the department!

I think the point both of you are missing here is that you don't own the water. Its not like they closed the private pond thats on your property, managed by you, stocked by you, to fishing.

Your boat is a private resource, owned by you.
Your new truck is a private resource, owned by you.
Your house is a private resource, owned by you.
Your hunting tags, weapons, and gear are private resources, owned by you.

They closed the public waters to fishing. Its a public resource. We all fund the public lands/waters with our tax money, only fair in this scenario that we all lose access.

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #144 on: April 02, 2020, 10:08:50 AM »
Well said.  :yeah:

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #145 on: April 02, 2020, 12:27:29 PM »
99% of the world will be fine.

People freaking out because the sky is falling. 


I can't fish but I can go to Costco or Walmart.  The closest place to fish to me is 2 miles away.  The closest stoplight in the state to me is 26 miles away.  I guess it's safer to get fish from Walmart.   :bash:
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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #146 on: April 02, 2020, 01:09:44 PM »
99% of the world will be fine.

People freaking out because the sky is falling. 


I can't fish but I can go to Costco or Walmart.  The closest place to fish to me is 2 miles away.  The closest stoplight in the state to me is 26 miles away.  I guess it's safer to get fish from Walmart.   :bash:

 :yeah: x2

That's specifically the issue I have with the fishing closure. The could have easily said fishing only in your county of residence or within so many miles of where you live. All rural Washington people are being penalized because the masses live in the cities.
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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #147 on: April 02, 2020, 01:17:18 PM »
They can't, it would violate equal protection laws if you did that in addition to being an enforcement nightmare.  It's no different legally than saying only residents of my county can access our hospitals or county streets.

Even if they did, county lines don't extend over most of the water open to fishing in the state, so it would be impossible to enforce there.  How would we measure how many miles from home a guy is, line of sight, over public roads?

I think the decision they came to was they do nothing or close it all down.  If they did nothing, people would congregate in numbers all over the state.

Should we also do something about the stores open?  Absolutely.  We can also do that ourselves my making smart choices.

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #148 on: April 02, 2020, 02:09:39 PM »
They could have also opened every seasonally closed lowland lake early in order to spread the anglers out. They also don't need to suddenly police every single person at a lake...in 35 years, my license has been checked once.

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Re: Fishing Closure, what other options were available?
« Reply #149 on: April 02, 2020, 06:26:38 PM »
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They can't, it would violate equal protection laws if you did that in addition to being an enforcement nightmare.  It's no different legally than saying only residents of my county can access our hospitals or county streets.

Even if they did, county lines don't extend over most of the water open to fishing in the state, so it would be impossible to enforce there.  How would we measure how many miles from home a guy is, line of sight, over public roads?

I think the decision they came to was they do nothing or close it all down.  If they did nothing, people would congregate in numbers all over the state.

Should we also do something about the stores open?  Absolutely.  We can also do that ourselves my making smart choices.

So if the gov't takes everyone's privileges away equally, then everyone is happy. 

But what's this about being able to make our own choices? 

I get it, but I'm becoming more and more nervous of the gov't controlling our right to assemble, the gov't paying everyone, the gov't bailing out the businesses and I feel like I'm watching my freedoms erode.  All in the name of public safety.  How would this apply to say the 2nd ammendment?
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