Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021

[idahohuntr]

Going to be less non-resident tags available in the future unless you pay up for a guide. Get your opinion in now.

https://idfg.idaho.gov/about/rules/potential-change-outfitter-set-aside-rule-general-hunt-elk-and-deer-tags


Takes 2 seconds to check YES or NO.

Currently, the number of general hunt elk tags set-aside for allocation to outfitters to sell to their clients is 2,800 (A and B tags combined), which is 21.8% of the nonresident quota for general hunt elk tags. The number of general deer tags set-aside for allocation to outfitters for their clients is 1,985 (regular and white-tailed tags combined), which 12.8% of the nonresident quota for general hunt deer tags.

The Idaho Outfitters and Guides Association has petitioned the Fish and Game Commission to adopt a rule to set aside the statutory maximum of 25% of the nonresident general hunt elk tags and 25% of the nonresident general hunt deer tags as the new annual limits for allocation to outfitters to use for their clients.

Done!  You should start a new thread with this link and a title to let people know. Thanks

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,258761.0.html   

[luvmystang67]

Not to resurface old threads... but I think its important that everything a government does be crystal clear.  In the game of Idaho NR elk tags, it is not.

Idaho just announced the return of all unsold outfitter tags and other returned tags.  If you go back in this thread, with the new zone limit rules that IDFG put in place for NR elk hunters this year, they were going to sell fewer total elk tags than they have in previous years.   

To Recap, in the last several years IDFG has sold its legally mandated cap of 12,815 elk tags for NR either as NR tags or second tags to both NR and R.

This year, if you go down all the capped zones and limited zones, they had about 12,000 tags available, meaning they'd come up shy of their typical allocation.

Here we at what is likely the final returned tag sale before the season starts, and this seems to be coming to pass.

They've posted 2,132 NR elk tags for sale, but the limits and caps add up to 1,316 tags for sale.  The limited (not "capped" which apply to both NR and R) zones only apply to NR hunters.  Hypothetically, if only NR hunters went to buy returned tags, IDFG would still have 816 tags remaining that could not be purchased by NR hunters.  However, these zone limits do NOT apply to resident hunters. 

Effectively, IDFG has set aside 816 tags for NR second tags, which cannot necessarily be used in "capped" zones, but can be used anywhere else that is not limited for residents.  They really haven't messaged this well.

The next question is... since I'm a resident and have my own pool of tags, should I buy a second one?

 

[bearpaw]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

[luvmystang67]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

You're not busting my chops, this conversation is important.  I'm also not wrong.  I e-mailed them for clarification.

If you add up the quotas for the limited zones, capped zones, DAV permits, guide permits.... they did not achieve the total 12,815 limit on non resident tags.

Here's a quote from the email I received back from IDFG:

IDFG: As you’ve noticed, when you add up the new nonresident limits for all of the zones, with the number of nonresident tags in previously capped zones and the number of tags reserved for outfitter use (2,800), the total will be less than the statewide quota that has been in place for years.  Before the Commission’s November 2020 action, nonresident tag sales could reach the statewide quota before individual cap zone limits were reached because sales were not limited in all zones.  That’s no longer the case, and there’s a differential between the tags available for sale to nonresidents and the statewide quota—that means nonresident tag sales for 2021 will not reach the statewide 12,815 quota.

He also said this in the response:

ME: I know that in the past, unsold NR quota was made available to residents at the NR price.  Given that this unit-based quota only applies to NR who buy tags, will they be made available to residents at the NR price given that they're not subject to the same quotas?

IDFG: Any NR deer or elk tags available to the public after 8/1 may be purchased as a second tag by residents.  At this time it is our understanding the residents will be subject to the same limits as NRs. Our wildlife bureau and Commission will review how well the limits worked and may make adjustments for 2022 tags.

I would also like to say, this is nothing personal at all, but I'm certainly not wrong. It appears that IDFG went into these new limits half cocked.  It is becoming more clear now that the statement IDFG made in March was uncertain and is looking like residents will have a nice little basket of second tags to purchase.  These responses were never made clear, as it appears many of us who study the regs have no concise opinion on it.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Not to resurface old threads... but I think its important that everything a government does be crystal clear.  In the game of Idaho NR elk tags, it is not.

Idaho just announced the return of all unsold outfitter tags and other returned tags.  If you go back in this thread, with the new zone limit rules that IDFG put in place for NR elk hunters this year, they were going to sell fewer total elk tags than they have in previous years.   

To Recap, in the last several years IDFG has sold its legally mandated cap of 12,815 elk tags for NR either as NR tags or second tags to both NR and R.

This year, if you go down all the capped zones and limited zones, they had about 12,000 tags available, meaning they'd come up shy of their typical allocation.

Here we at what is likely the final returned tag sale before the season starts, and this seems to be coming to pass.

They've posted 2,132 NR elk tags for sale, but the limits and caps add up to 1,316 tags for sale.  The limited (not "capped" which apply to both NR and R) zones only apply to NR hunters.  Hypothetically, if only NR hunters went to buy returned tags, IDFG would still have 816 tags remaining that could not be purchased by NR hunters.  However, these zone limits do NOT apply to resident hunters. 

Effectively, IDFG has set aside 816 tags for NR second tags, which cannot necessarily be used in "capped" zones, but can be used anywhere else that is not limited for residents.  They really haven't messaged this well.

The next question is... since I'm a resident and have my own pool of tags, should I buy a second one?

 

Kim

Not to resurface old threads... but I think its important that everything a government does be crystal clear.  In the game of Idaho NR elk tags, it is not.

Idaho just announced the return of all unsold outfitter tags and other returned tags.  If you go back in this thread, with the new zone limit rules that IDFG put in place for NR elk hunters this year, they were going to sell fewer total elk tags than they have in previous years.   


To Recap, in the last several years IDFG has sold its legally mandated cap of 12,815 elk tags for NR either as NR tags or second tags to both NR and R.

This year, if you go down all the capped zones and limited zones, they had about 12,000 tags available, meaning they'd come up shy of their typical allocation.


Here we at what is likely the final returned tag sale before the season starts, and this seems to be coming to pass.

They've posted 2,132 NR elk tags for sale, but the limits and caps add up to 1,316 tags for sale.  The limited (not "capped" which apply to both NR and R) zones only apply to NR hunters.  Hypothetically, if only NR hunters went to buy returned tags, IDFG would still have 816 tags remaining that could not be purchased by NR hunters.  However, these zone limits do NOT apply to resident hunters. 

Effectively, IDFG has set aside 816 tags for NR second tags, which cannot necessarily be used in "capped" zones, but can be used anywhere else that is not limited for residents.  They really haven't messaged this well.

The next question is... since I'm a resident and have my own pool of tags, should I buy a second one?

 

Oh I would! No such thing as to much elk meat!

[idaho guy]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

You're not busting my chops, this conversation is important.  I'm also not wrong.  I e-mailed them for clarification.

If you add up the quotas for the limited zones, capped zones, DAV permits, guide permits.... they did not achieve the total 12,815 limit on non resident tags.

Here's a quote from the email I received back from IDFG:

IDFG: As you’ve noticed, when you add up the new nonresident limits for all of the zones, with the number of nonresident tags in previously capped zones and the number of tags reserved for outfitter use (2,800), the total will be less than the statewide quota that has been in place for years.  Before the Commission’s November 2020 action, nonresident tag sales could reach the statewide quota before individual cap zone limits were reached because sales were not limited in all zones.  That’s no longer the case, and there’s a differential between the tags available for sale to nonresidents and the statewide quota—that means nonresident tag sales for 2021 will not reach the statewide 12,815 quota.

He also said this in the response:

ME: I know that in the past, unsold NR quota was made available to residents at the NR price.  Given that this unit-based quota only applies to NR who buy tags, will they be made available to residents at the NR price given that they're not subject to the same quotas?

IDFG: Any NR deer or elk tags available to the public after 8/1 may be purchased as a second tag by residents.  At this time it is our understanding the residents will be subject to the same limits as NRs. Our wildlife bureau and Commission will review how well the limits worked and may make adjustments for 2022 tags.

I would also like to say, this is nothing personal at all, but I'm certainly not wrong. It appears that IDFG went into these new limits half cocked.  It is becoming more clear now that the statement IDFG made in March was uncertain and is looking like residents will have a nice little basket of second tags to purchase.  These responses were never made clear, as it appears many of us who study the regs have no concise opinion on it.

   


Idfg “At this time it is our understanding that residents will be subject to the same limitations as NR” that means unit caps. There shouldn’t be any special pool of leftovers because residents would be subject to same limits as nr with non resident tags. With resident tags meaning 1st tags we have no unit restrictions just zones. With a second purchase of a non resident tag as a resident we are subject to the same restrictions as the non resident. (Unit caps)Thanks for fixing Idaho 👍 I hope it was good use of your time.

[idaho guy]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

You're not busting my chops, this conversation is important.  I'm also not wrong.  I e-mailed them for clarification.

If you add up the quotas for the limited zones, capped zones, DAV permits, guide permits.... they did not achieve the total 12,815 limit on non resident tags.

Here's a quote from the email I received back from IDFG:

IDFG: As you’ve noticed, when you add up the new nonresident limits for all of the zones, with the number of nonresident tags in previously capped zones and the number of tags reserved for outfitter use (2,800), the total will be less than the statewide quota that has been in place for years.  Before the Commission’s November 2020 action, nonresident tag sales could reach the statewide quota before individual cap zone limits were reached because sales were not limited in all zones.  That’s no longer the case, and there’s a differential between the tags available for sale to nonresidents and the statewide quota—that means nonresident tag sales for 2021 will not reach the statewide 12,815 quota.

He also said this in the response:

ME: I know that in the past, unsold NR quota was made available to residents at the NR price.  Given that this unit-based quota only applies to NR who buy tags, will they be made available to residents at the NR price given that they're not subject to the same quotas?

IDFG: Any NR deer or elk tags available to the public after 8/1 may be purchased as a second tag by residents.  At this time it is our understanding the residents will be subject to the same limits as NRs. Our wildlife bureau and Commission will review how well the limits worked and may make adjustments for 2022 tags.

I would also like to say, this is nothing personal at all, but I'm certainly not wrong. It appears that IDFG went into these new limits half cocked.  It is becoming more clear now that the statement IDFG made in March was uncertain and is looking like residents will have a nice little basket of second tags to purchase.  These responses were never made clear, as it appears many of us who study the regs have no concise opinion on it.

 

I ended that last post poorly, It’s nothing against you but you are wrong. The e mail you copied from idfg directly said we (residents)buying 2nd tags  WILL be subject to the same exact restrictions (unit caps)as non resident. I don’t understand why you expended quite a bit of energy on it. They also said “at this time “ so if it changes maybe it’s our lucky year👍 last time I purchased 2 elk tags was 2017 and I got a 6 by 6 and a 6 by 10 so it’s definitely worth it, if you have the time and extra funds. I posted them on here in elk section 2017. I had a number of friends get second non resident elk tags last year and Idaho was sold out early. It’s always possible to get a leftover second tag but It’s not worth it to me anymore. Unless, I guess, if they went through all that effort to get us a “special “ pool 😂 There isn’t one

[andrew_in_idaho]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

You're not busting my chops, this conversation is important.  I'm also not wrong.  I e-mailed them for clarification.

If you add up the quotas for the limited zones, capped zones, DAV permits, guide permits.... they did not achieve the total 12,815 limit on non resident tags.

Here's a quote from the email I received back from IDFG:

IDFG: As you’ve noticed, when you add up the new nonresident limits for all of the zones, with the number of nonresident tags in previously capped zones and the number of tags reserved for outfitter use (2,800), the total will be less than the statewide quota that has been in place for years.  Before the Commission’s November 2020 action, nonresident tag sales could reach the statewide quota before individual cap zone limits were reached because sales were not limited in all zones.  That’s no longer the case, and there’s a differential between the tags available for sale to nonresidents and the statewide quota—that means nonresident tag sales for 2021 will not reach the statewide 12,815 quota.

He also said this in the response:

ME: I know that in the past, unsold NR quota was made available to residents at the NR price.  Given that this unit-based quota only applies to NR who buy tags, will they be made available to residents at the NR price given that they're not subject to the same quotas?

IDFG: Any NR deer or elk tags available to the public after 8/1 may be purchased as a second tag by residents.  At this time it is our understanding the residents will be subject to the same limits as NRs. Our wildlife bureau and Commission will review how well the limits worked and may make adjustments for 2022 tags.

I would also like to say, this is nothing personal at all, but I'm certainly not wrong. It appears that IDFG went into these new limits half cocked.  It is becoming more clear now that the statement IDFG made in March was uncertain and is looking like residents will have a nice little basket of second tags to purchase.  These responses were never made clear, as it appears many of us who study the regs have no concise opinion on it.

 

I ended that last post poorly, It’s nothing against you but you are wrong. The e mail you copied from idfg directly said we (residents)buying 2nd tags  WILL be subject to the same exact restrictions (unit caps)as non resident. I don’t understand why you expended quite a bit of energy on it. They also said “at this time “ so if it changes maybe it’s our lucky year last time I purchased 2 elk tags was 2017 and I got a 6 by 6 and a 6 by 10 so it’s definitely worth it, if you have the time and extra funds. I posted them on here in elk section 2017. I had a number of friends get second non resident elk tags last year and Idaho was sold out early. It’s always possible to get a leftover second tag but It’s not worth it to me anymore. Unless, I guess, if they went through all that effort to get us a “special “ pool There isn’t one

Actually it looks like they did set some aside for residents, I believe the email he shared was from earlier in the year, if you look now it does say that residents are not restricted to the single units for deer tags or any of the NR zone caps for elk if we purchase as 2nd tags. Also residents that are price locked still pay the 2020 NR tag fees for 2nd tags vs 2021


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[idaho guy]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

You're not busting my chops, this conversation is important.  I'm also not wrong.  I e-mailed them for clarification.

If you add up the quotas for the limited zones, capped zones, DAV permits, guide permits.... they did not achieve the total 12,815 limit on non resident tags.

Here's a quote from the email I received back from IDFG:

IDFG: As you’ve noticed, when you add up the new nonresident limits for all of the zones, with the number of nonresident tags in previously capped zones and the number of tags reserved for outfitter use (2,800), the total will be less than the statewide quota that has been in place for years.  Before the Commission’s November 2020 action, nonresident tag sales could reach the statewide quota before individual cap zone limits were reached because sales were not limited in all zones.  That’s no longer the case, and there’s a differential between the tags available for sale to nonresidents and the statewide quota—that means nonresident tag sales for 2021 will not reach the statewide 12,815 quota.

He also said this in the response:

ME: I know that in the past, unsold NR quota was made available to residents at the NR price.  Given that this unit-based quota only applies to NR who buy tags, will they be made available to residents at the NR price given that they're not subject to the same quotas?

IDFG: Any NR deer or elk tags available to the public after 8/1 may be purchased as a second tag by residents.  At this time it is our understanding the residents will be subject to the same limits as NRs. Our wildlife bureau and Commission will review how well the limits worked and may make adjustments for 2022 tags.

I would also like to say, this is nothing personal at all, but I'm certainly not wrong. It appears that IDFG went into these new limits half cocked.  It is becoming more clear now that the statement IDFG made in March was uncertain and is looking like residents will have a nice little basket of second tags to purchase.  These responses were never made clear, as it appears many of us who study the regs have no concise opinion on it.

 

I ended that last post poorly, It’s nothing against you but you are wrong. The e mail you copied from idfg directly said we (residents)buying 2nd tags  WILL be subject to the same exact restrictions (unit caps)as non resident. I don’t understand why you expended quite a bit of energy on it. They also said “at this time “ so if it changes maybe it’s our lucky year last time I purchased 2 elk tags was 2017 and I got a 6 by 6 and a 6 by 10 so it’s definitely worth it, if you have the time and extra funds. I posted them on here in elk section 2017. I had a number of friends get second non resident elk tags last year and Idaho was sold out early. It’s always possible to get a leftover second tag but It’s not worth it to me anymore. Unless, I guess, if they went through all that effort to get us a “special “ pool There isn’t one

Actually it looks like they did set some aside for residents, I believe the email he shared was from earlier in the year, if you look now it does say that residents are not restricted to the single units for deer tags or any of the NR zone caps for elk if we purchase as 2nd tags. Also residents that are price locked still pay the 2020 NR tag fees for 2nd tags vs 2021


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Sweet 👍

[idaho guy]

Thanks Andrew. Just checked it out. Oops I was wrong sorry Stang. I guess the e mail did say “at this time “ . I wasn’t even thinking about it but know pressure is on to get second tags or not 😂

[bearpaw]

I’m not trying to bust your chops about anything, but several of your statements are incorrect and not precise. For example IDFG did not say they were selling fewer non-resident tags, what they stated is to the effect that the same number of tags will be sold, but they were spreading out the hunting pressure across all zones by capping each zone so that Hunting pressure was reduced in zones that were being over crowded by nonresidents. There are some other errors, it’s not a big deal but I wanted to point out that you are not exactly correct in what you’re saying.

I do believe there was a shortage of outfitter tags caused by the fact that all elk zones are capped now and I think there were some additional tags allocated by the F&G Commission this year only to correct that shortfall.

The Idaho system is different than Washington, I think once you get used to it you will find it to be much better. At least I hope so! 

You're not busting my chops, this conversation is important.  I'm also not wrong.  I e-mailed them for clarification.

If you add up the quotas for the limited zones, capped zones, DAV permits, guide permits.... they did not achieve the total 12,815 limit on non resident tags.

Here's a quote from the email I received back from IDFG:

IDFG: As you’ve noticed, when you add up the new nonresident limits for all of the zones, with the number of nonresident tags in previously capped zones and the number of tags reserved for outfitter use (2,800), the total will be less than the statewide quota that has been in place for years.  Before the Commission’s November 2020 action, nonresident tag sales could reach the statewide quota before individual cap zone limits were reached because sales were not limited in all zones.  That’s no longer the case, and there’s a differential between the tags available for sale to nonresidents and the statewide quota—that means nonresident tag sales for 2021 will not reach the statewide 12,815 quota.

He also said this in the response:

ME: I know that in the past, unsold NR quota was made available to residents at the NR price.  Given that this unit-based quota only applies to NR who buy tags, will they be made available to residents at the NR price given that they're not subject to the same quotas?

IDFG: Any NR deer or elk tags available to the public after 8/1 may be purchased as a second tag by residents.  At this time it is our understanding the residents will be subject to the same limits as NRs. Our wildlife bureau and Commission will review how well the limits worked and may make adjustments for 2022 tags.

I would also like to say, this is nothing personal at all, but I'm certainly not wrong. It appears that IDFG went into these new limits half cocked.  It is becoming more clear now that the statement IDFG made in March was uncertain and is looking like residents will have a nice little basket of second tags to purchase.  These responses were never made clear, as it appears many of us who study the regs have no concise opinion on it.

No worries, I think we are focusing on different issues, I was focusing on what they said about making NR tag limits on each zone to spread out NR hunting pressure, you are focusing on total NR tag numbers, sorry about confusing your statement. 

[Karl Blanchard]

Who all picked up tags today? I snagged another deer tag. I was number 1039 in the initial que. SO MANY tags available once I got in. Out of curiosity I logged back in 40 min after it opened. Took about 1 min to get in. Obviously deer was no longer an option but there were hundreds of elk tags left.

[mp.hunter]

Who all picked up tags today? I snagged another deer tag. I was number 1039 in the initial que. SO MANY tags available once I got in. Out of curiosity I logged back in 40 min after it opened. Took about 1 min to get in. Obviously deer was no longer an option but there were hundreds of elk tags left.

I got a SE tag which I will hunt after my WY lope tag so will hit the opener, yes lots of tags I was number 1380


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[Jimmy33]

I traded one in…logged back in and could have got a second tag but decided I had already spent enough money this year


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[idaho guy]

I now have 3 elk tags 😂 and 2 deer tags including Montana tags I need to get off this site ha ha. I debated for a long time on second deer and went back in and still could have picked one up the second go around. Also Montana antelope tags so I’m good